Spreadsheet of info on Common Nootropics /...
bacopa 24 Apr 2010
Lallante 26 Apr 2010
If you think that there is a consensus opinion that pregnenolone in the doses described will have a significant effect on risk of cancer, please feel free to add it yourself.I think it's a fabulous start, but you should definitely point out the many other effects that these nootropics can cause good and bad. For instance Pregnenolone may increase risk factor for hormone related cancers, and stuff like that.
I dont think its particularly helpful, however, to list extremely unlikely risks - this sheet is for practical purposes, not an encyclopedia or medical warning.
chrono 26 Apr 2010
I agree that this shouldn't try to be comprehensive. And saying "RISK OF CANCER" when it's extremely unlikely is a far cry from saying ALCAR has pro-oxidant effects which can be easily circumvented.I dont think its particularly helpful, however, to list extremely unlikely risks - this sheet is for practical purposes, not an encyclopedia or medical warning.
OTOH, several people are talking about using this as a FAQ or resource for new members.
Sometimes the "least likely" effects are the most potentiall dangerous, and least-studied because they don't show up on the brief rat assays/etc. These might be hard to reach a consensus about if they're theoretical mechanisms, but many times these are the deciding factors when choosing from a certain group.
I can't recommend how to reconcile these two goals, but I think it should be considered when taking into account that new members might be using this as a sole research tool when selecting nootropics.
Lallante 26 Apr 2010
I agree that this shouldn't try to be comprehensive. And saying "RISK OF CANCER" when it's extremely unlikely is a far cry from saying ALCAR has pro-oxidant effects which can be easily circumvented.I dont think its particularly helpful, however, to list extremely unlikely risks - this sheet is for practical purposes, not an encyclopedia or medical warning.
OTOH, several people are talking about using this as a FAQ or resource for new members.
Sometimes the "least likely" effects are the most potentiall dangerous, and least-studied because they don't show up on the brief rat assays/etc. These might be hard to reach a consensus about if they're theoretical mechanisms, but many times these are the deciding factors when choosing from a certain group.
I can't recommend how to reconcile these two goals, but I think it should be considered when taking into account that new members might be using this as a sole research tool when selecting nootropics.
The cancer risk could be mentioned in the general comments section I guess. Currently the positive and negative columns are fairly reflective of what most people will experience at some point when using the substances regularly.
Guacamolium 27 Apr 2010
(seriously, don't ask them about red phosphorus)
chilp 27 Apr 2010
kassem23 27 Apr 2010
chrono 27 Apr 2010
Uhh...so why do you think it's untrue?removed "verbal fluidity" for modafinil. Definitely not true. So many reports on this forum claiming the opposite.
kassem23 27 Apr 2010
Uhh...so why do you think it's untrue?removed "verbal fluidity" for modafinil. Definitely not true. So many reports on this forum claiming the opposite.
Sorry chrono to interfere, but did you get my message?
chilp 27 Apr 2010
Uhh...so why do you think it's untrue?removed "verbal fluidity" for modafinil. Definitely not true. So many reports on this forum claiming the opposite.
Read carefully. Because of my experience and because of many posts claiming this on this forum. It's maybe no proof that it doesn't improve verbal fluidity but it's at least something that disproves it. Thoughts go fast. sure, but not speech (see tip of the tongue syndrome).
oh and also, many scary doses on this spreadsheet, very dangerous info on there.
Edited by chilp, 27 April 2010 - 07:04 PM.
chrono 27 Apr 2010
Ah, gotcha. Thought that "opposite" applied to the sentence preceding it. I'll read carefully, if you write carefullyRead carefully. Because of my experience and because of many posts claiming this on this forum.
Lallante 28 Apr 2010
425runner 28 Apr 2010
Uhh...so why do you think it's untrue?removed "verbal fluidity" for modafinil. Definitely not true. So many reports on this forum claiming the opposite.
Read carefully. Because of my experience and because of many posts claiming this on this forum. It's maybe no proof that it doesn't improve verbal fluidity but it's at least something that disproves it. Thoughts go fast. sure, but not speech (see tip of the tongue syndrome).
oh and also, many scary doses on this spreadsheet, very dangerous info on there.
Lallante 03 May 2010
Edited by Lallante, 03 May 2010 - 09:37 PM.
SucubbusLT 05 Oct 2010
humility 05 Oct 2010
Hello, i can't access that spreadsheet, it says i have no rights to view it.
I can't either. It worked just a few days ago though.
freyley 07 Oct 2010
Hello, i can't access that spreadsheet, it says i have no rights to view it.
I can't either. It worked just a few days ago though.
It's working again, but someone's sorted it alphabetically.
Surive123 25 Nov 2010
Same.Hello, i can't access that spreadsheet, it says i have no rights to view it.
I can't either. It worked just a few days ago though.
Nootropic Cat 28 Nov 2010
AstralStorm 29 Nov 2010
Or perhaps a read-only copy of the document, checked by the owner of the account.
If it's not possible, add my email too (same as username at gmail.com), want to take a peek.
Edited by AstralStorm, 29 November 2010 - 12:53 AM.
Lallante 29 Nov 2010
I grant all requests, usually within 24 hrs. If you want access, make a request through google docs
Is it currently not possible to see, or to edit, the document without permission? I've double checked and its set to public (anyone who has the link can edit, link being https://spreadsheets...uthkey=CMXbgvEF). I also see anonymous edits, so am guessing this is a bug.
I'll keep granting access, but its google docs behaving oddly not some policy change.
PS: I recently reverted back 5 weeks due to someone sorting alphabetically and me not noticing. Apologies re: lost data. I've also removed "common spontaneous erections" from the side effects of modafinil, as I'm pretty sure this was a joke, but feel free to correct me.
Edited by Lallante, 29 November 2010 - 10:27 AM.
Vindex 30 Nov 2010
Edited by Vindex, 30 November 2010 - 01:49 AM.
SkylarkV 30 Nov 2010
And what makes you the expert? Are you a doctor? or a Pharmacist? Doses will vary based on individual response and weight of the subject.
Uhh...so why do you think it's untrue?removed "verbal fluidity" for modafinil. Definitely not true. So many reports on this forum claiming the opposite.
Read carefully. Because of my experience and because of many posts claiming this on this forum. It's maybe no proof that it doesn't improve verbal fluidity but it's at least something that disproves it. Thoughts go fast. sure, but not speech (see tip of the tongue syndrome).
oh and also, many scary doses on this spreadsheet, very dangerous info on there.
I agree with descriptions of the unfavorable influence of modafinil on verbal fluidity, but would propose that confounding variables may be at work. In particular, modafinil helps one punch through fatigue as if through tissue, but it can only do so much to counteract the constellation of cumulative cognitive assaults induced by sleep deprivation. It may be that declines in verbal fluidity attributed to modafinil should rightly be laid at the door step of "unfelt" exhaustion.
Lallante 06 Dec 2010
https://spreadsheets...uthkey=CMXbgvEF
manic_racetam 28 May 2011
Lallante 08 Oct 2012
The current policy is anyone with the link can view, but you need to log in and request if you want to edit. This is to manage defacement.
https://docs.google....uthkey=CMXbgvEF
Happy to dicuss policy / sorting of information here. It would be good to get some more updated info into the already-fairly-comprehensive sheet.
Logic 08 Oct 2012
I have been wanting to do something similar and was wondering if it could be done on this forum?
Now all I have to do is figure out how it works.
Do I have to install Google drive?