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[Lassus]

I really hope there is some way scientifically to ascension like in the stargate series. Ascension would need extremely advance scientific knowledge though. Yeah I know it is sci-fi but it does not seem impossible to exist as a energy being. We are made of atoms, atomic particles, and energy at the basic level. Existing as a energy being would possibly end death completely, unless you get sucked into some blackhole, but you should be able to detect blackholes as being directly made of energy.

My goals in the following order:

1. Have extreme life extension, and continue to add genetic enhancements to increase survival
2. Become biologically immortal
3. When the technology arrives, possibly become bionic or have a nanobot or robotic body.
4. If scientifically possible one day ascension

I think 3 would probably take at a minimum one century to occur. Scientific knowledge probably will greatly increase from there and 4 would probably take at a minimum one thousand years to occur if enough people work on it. If there becomes a way to speed up or skip a number closer to 4 then that is even better too.

"being more realistic"

[Luna]

I do think that if we for example become one with the internet and expand the internet over the galaxy and beyond we could reduce the chance of death to an insignificant number.

A lot of things have a really small chance to happen and simply do not happen even on the course of billions of years and that is without adding intelligence to interfere even more. I think if we can get to such a state the only thing we will have to worry about is supply of energy (if we solve that we can probably solve the faith of the universe problem too).

So yeah, I do believe it is possible to live forever if humans integrate with a system such as the internet somehow, improved system of course, expanded too - over the whole galaxy or galaxies.

Fact is that galaxies do not just disappear over billions of years, they usually just run out of energy, intelligence could help prevent some disasters that may happen, which are unlikely already and the rest goes for the infrastructure to hold and work properly and solve the energy problem and fixed. Simple! (:P)

It is realistic but who knows in what time frame and if for us (hopefully so, maybe cryonics can help) but it requires infinite or at least 100% renewable energy to sustain the system over an infinite period of time which is the big question for physics "Is it possible?", if this is possible then the idea is theoretically possible and realistic, now to make it there and by that I mean us.

Conclusion: No, having a chance of 10^-999999999999999 of dying doesn't mean that you are going to die eventually and you should not accept that. There problem is getting to the state where that is your chance considering where we are now.

Edited by Luna, 03 November 2010 - 11:26 AM.

[the thing]

It is realistic but who knows in what time frame and if for us (hopefully so, maybe cryonics can help) but it requires infinite or at least 100% renewable energy to sustain the system over an infinite period of time which is the big question for physics "Is it possible?", if this is possible then the idea is theoretically possible and realistic, now to make it there and by that I mean us.

It is not realistic and I dont think that is a big question for physics. The answer is simply no it is not possible according to everything we know. The laws of thermodynamics are not very likely to be wrong and if they are then our knowledge of physics would be a complete joke.

Conclusion: No, having a chance of 10^-999999999999999 of dying doesn't mean that you are going to die eventually and you should not accept that. There problem is getting to the state where that is your chance considering where we are now.

No. If there is any chance of dying then your chance of dying approaches one as time approaches infinity. There is a lot technology can do, but I seriously doupt we will ever be able to defeat physics and math.

p.s. You already are a energy being. There is no such thing as "pure energy".

[firespin]

I really hope there is some way scientifically to ascension like in the stargate series. Ascension would need extremely advance scientific knowledge though. Yeah I know it is sci-fi but it does not seem impossible to exist as a energy being. We are made of atoms, atomic particles, and energy at the basic level. Existing as a energy being would possibly end death completely, unless you get sucked into some blackhole, but you should be able to detect blackholes as being directly made of energy.

My goals in the following order:

1. Have extreme life extension, and continue to add genetic enhancements to increase survival
2. Become biologically immortal
3. When the technology arrives, possibly become bionic or have a nanobot or robotic body.
4. If scientifically possible one day ascension

I think 3 would probably take at a minimum one century to occur. Scientific knowledge probably will greatly increase from there and 4 would probably take at a minimum one thousand years to occur if enough people work on it. If there becomes a way to speed up or skip a number closer to 4 then that is even better too.

"being more realistic"

If humans try hard enough amazing things can happen. Even Stephen Hawking said it is possible for life to exist in ways we currently don't recognize, such as energy creatures living in the Suns/Stars. That is basically the same as, or close to ascension that I posted about. Obviously this type of research would need far more scientific knowledge than what we currently have, may be more like several hundred years from now.

Though I admit this thread have gone off topic from what the OP originally was posting about...

Edited by firespin, 09 November 2010 - 05:43 AM.

[churchill]

I really hope there is some way scientifically to ascension like in the stargate series. Ascension would need extremely advance scientific knowledge though. Yeah I know it is sci-fi but it does not seem impossible to exist as a energy being. We are made of atoms, atomic particles, and energy at the basic level. Existing as a energy being would possibly end death completely, unless you get sucked into some blackhole, but you should be able to detect blackholes as being directly made of energy.

My goals in the following order:

1. Have extreme life extension, and continue to add genetic enhancements to increase survival
2. Become biologically immortal
3. When the technology arrives, possibly become bionic or have a nanobot or robotic body.
4. If scientifically possible one day ascension

I think 3 would probably take at a minimum one century to occur. Scientific knowledge probably will greatly increase from there and 4 would probably take at a minimum one thousand years to occur if enough people work on it. If there becomes a way to speed up or skip a number closer to 4 then that is even better too.

"being more realistic"

If humans try hard enough amazing things can happen. Even Stephen Hawking said it is possible for life to exist in ways we currently don't recognize, such as energy creatures living in the Suns/Stars. That is basically the same as, or close to ascension that I posted about. Obviously this type of research would need far more scientific knowledge than what we currently have, may be more like several hundred years from now.

Though I admit this thread have gone off topic from what the OP originally was posting about...

What exactly did Stephen Hawking do to merit such love.
I think the point is that you need to focus on the main goal, the overriding goal which is life extension. Once you have that the rest will follow, in 10 years or in a 1000 years who cares, because you will still be around. Once that goal is clear then the only question becomes what do you do help make that happen?

[kurt9]

The rate of technology advancement is exponential. Something on the scale of 30 years implementation 30 years ago would take significantly less time now.

Actually its not. In fact, I consider arguments that the rate of innovation is slowing down to be quite persuasive. Most of the innovation in the past 30 years has been in semiconductors and electronics. We are starting to see the same take off in biotechnology (Carlson's Curves). However, innovation has barely budged in areas like aerospace and construction. In other areas such as materials science, innovation seems to be incremental. The reason why I am optimistic on life extension (and eventual reanimation) is because biotech is starting to develop exponentially. However, not much else is. Hence, I see a world in, say 2060, where we are all "age less" and have medical regeneration in the case of accidents and disease but where the houses, cars, airplanes, and everything else still looks the same as today.

[advancedatheist]

The rate of technology advancement is exponential. Something on the scale of 30 years implementation 30 years ago would take significantly less time now.

Actually its not. In fact, I consider arguments that the rate of innovation is slowing down to be quite persuasive. Most of the innovation in the past 30 years has been in semiconductors and electronics. We are starting to see the same take off in biotechnology (Carlson's Curves). However, innovation has barely budged in areas like aerospace and construction. In other areas such as materials science, innovation seems to be incremental. The reason why I am optimistic on life extension (and eventual reanimation) is because biotech is starting to develop exponentially. However, not much else is. Hence, I see a world in, say 2060, where we are all "age less" and have medical regeneration in the case of accidents and disease but where the houses, cars, airplanes, and everything else still looks the same as today.

We also have the phenomenon of hyped vaporware like Eric Drexler's fantasies. These nanotech dead-enders could regain my respect by just admitting they've wasted cryonicists' time for the past quarter century.

[Elus]

Fear not. Once I get my PhD in a few years, I'll become a billionaire and solve it all


*Walks along thinking about his own delusions of grandeur*

In all seriousness, though, here is a poem to help with inspiration to achieve the seemingly unattainable:


Hold Fast To Dreams

Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly
Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow

...Langston Hughs