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[Droplet]

Only through lack of vitamin D, and there are far safer ways to get vitamin D than sunlight.

Never knew that.

[syr_]

Why 27?
If i had a LOT of money, I'll surely try to look 20 (and feel).

Edited by syr_, 11 January 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[Droplet]

Why 27?
If i had a LOT of money, I'll surely try to look 20 (and feel).

I'm with you there but 27 is an improvement say, over 40.

[ViolettVol]

Why 27?
If i had a LOT of money, I'll surely try to look 20 (and feel).

Hehe yeah thats the ultimate goal.
But I picked my own age to add a bit of personal stuff to it.
Plus in the past year or so, despite people constantly telling me I look 22 at most, I started noticing subtle changes in myself that can be attributed to aging/wrong lifestyle that might have been overlooked by my body at early twenties and on Christmas I fantasized, what if I suddenly got a goldmine, what could I do?

So here we are, we can make it a pet project. I dont want kids, I'm waaaay into immortalism - humor me.

How does a person, 27 years of age, with,say 4 years of partying with alc and late nights rejuvenate herself into looking years younger. I know my facial features (baby face) plus no wrinkles (unless u look really really close under my eyes and see the fine lines) fool many people into thinkning she really is that young? Cause they may be fooled but I very often am not, I think some ppl can relate.

Its purely my fantasy budget-wise, but hey, its good to know what to save for!
It's not a deadly serious thread like "oh, a medical doctor wouldnt approve", but it is a true attempt to see what could be achieved if money werent an issue.
So make me a project for a while.
Let me list some problems and possible solutions I know of, add your own -remember YOU have no budget limit):
-Looser skin consistency to the touch -DMAE, mesotherapy, WHAT nutrition CR-wise? I keep missing my calorie and NUTRIENT count (i'm too low) - suppplements?
- Under-eye skin dryness, occassional bags - cut boooze ;( which creams/topicals, hydration: water plus are ther better hydration agents?
- How much exercise and which is best - time per day, type etc
- The big money hit - aesthetic medicine help: professional peels? botox in forehead? sculptra/restylane?
If you can stay looking a certain age,I say looking twenty something.
No judging on this thread, just helpful advice and (but not only) fun comments)
After all, we all dream of immortality - I dream of it for myself while lookin' good.
Vain V

Edited by ViolettVol, 12 January 2012 - 11:52 PM.

[Forever21]

Step 1 - Calorie Restriction
Step 2 - Radical sun avoidance

Then, stress management.

Then maybe, just maybe...

-Looser skin consistency to the touch -DMAE, mesotherapy, WHAT nutrition CR-wise? I keep missing my calorie and NUTRIENT count (i'm too low) - suppplements?
- Under-eye skin dryness, occassional bags - cut boooze ;( which creams/topicals, hydration: water plus are ther better hydration agents?
- How much exercise and which is best - time per day, type etc
- The big money hit - aesthetic medicine help: professional peels? botox in forehead? sculptra/restylane?


You can't be serious with this if you're not actually doing CR. Everything you mentioned will provide marginal results at best. And why is exercise and cosmetic treatments on the list? These can make you look OLDER. Wanna see people who look old for their age? Go to the gym and luxury spas.

But yeah, start with CR.

[1kgcoffee]

Exercise can make you look older?
Maybe body builders who eat 3x their caloric need and massive quantities of protein. Or cardiophiles who overdo it with the oxidative stress.

Edited by 1kgcoffee, 13 January 2012 - 03:13 AM.

[manic_racetam]

Exercise releases hormones... those hormones keep you young (and can even reverse aging a bit).

Disclaimer: Previous statements based on personal deductions... which were based on objective experiences.... and a small amount of research which may or may not have been based on P90x... ha!

Edited by manic_racetam, 13 January 2012 - 05:42 AM.

[smithx]

I take astragalus, and am familiar with he shou wu, but how about gu sui bu and wu wei zi? I found some references but nothing that would lead me to think they are anti-aging.

Can you say more about why you take them, and link to some references or discussion of their traditional chinese use if possible?

* vegetarian CRON diet
* he shou wu (fo-ti)
* Gu Sui Bu
* wu wei zi
* huang qi (astragalus root).
* resveratrol
These herbs are the cornerstone of my regimen for anti-aging/hair loss.
I believe them to be safer since they've been human tested and refined for longer than many other supplements.

[ViolettVol]

Step 1 - Calorie Restriction
Step 2 - Radical sun avoidance

Then, stress management.

Then maybe, just maybe...

-Looser skin consistency to the touch -DMAE, mesotherapy, WHAT nutrition CR-wise? I keep missing my calorie and NUTRIENT count (i'm too low) - suppplements?
- Under-eye skin dryness, occassional bags - cut boooze ;( which creams/topicals, hydration: water plus are ther better hydration agents?
- How much exercise and which is best - time per day, type etc
- The big money hit - aesthetic medicine help: professional peels? botox in forehead? sculptra/restylane?


You can't be serious with this if you're not actually doing CR. Everything you mentioned will provide marginal results at best. And why is exercise and cosmetic treatments on the list? These can make you look OLDER. Wanna see people who look old for their age? Go to the gym and luxury spas.

But yeah, start with CR.

I AM doing CR its just that I am lost as to how to hit the nutrient targets. I'm not over the top calorie-wise, I;m under. I need some sample daily menus to help me see how to go. Is hiring the expensive gurus the only way?

I dont agree with u on the exercise, manic racetam is right -the appropriate amount of exercise definietly rejuvenates. I've seen it in myself, my friends and even people Ionly know publicly - having the $$ to affiord a trainer that would motivate me and monitor my plan would be the way to go for a fantasy program,

As to cosmetic stuff - check out Cindy Jackson - yes she might look generic, but instead of 50 she looks 25.30 and thats a success in my book. We have to watch developments in aesthetical medicine and promote them -they can really help us turn back the clock and look young, fix past mistakes etc.
As to these oriental herbs.mushrooms - I hear mixed opinions - do the do anything specifically for SKIN?.

[Forever21]

I AM doing CR its just that I am lost as to how to hit the nutrient targets. I'm not over the top calorie-wise, I;m under. I need some sample daily menus to help me see how to go. Is hiring the expensive gurus the only way?

nope. just get the books on CR, pm me, matt, michael for recipes, get some from cr society, paul's blog, etc.
i don't think the gurus are offering their services except paul and meredith.
what im saying is that if money is not trouble, offer the cr pioneers lots of money for coaching and meal prep.

I dont agree with u on the exercise, manic racetam is right -the appropriate amount of exercise definietly rejuvenates.

i didn't say it doesn't.

As to cosmetic stuff - check out Cindy Jackson - yes she might look generic, but instead of 50 she looks 25.30 and thats a success in my book. We have to watch developments in aesthetical medicine and promote them -they can really help us turn back the clock and look young, fix past mistakes etc.
As to these oriental herbs.mushrooms - I hear mixed opinions - do the do anything specifically for SKIN?.

if Adele would do CR, she wouldn't look like a 40 year old woman. the whole figure / frame matters.

cindy jackson look 40 with lots of work done.

[hivemind]

People on a serious CR diet look like crap.

Edited by hivemind, 16 January 2012 - 05:55 AM.

[Stefanovic]

how about having a normal healthy diet to maintain muscle mass and adding resveratrol, isn"t that the best way to go as resveratrol mimicks the actions of CR?

[scottknl]

People on a serious CR diet look like crap.

I've seen lots of real people who do CR. They look fine, and most importantly they're happy and healthy. Don't listen to hivemind about CR.

@stephanic
resveratrol doesn't really mimic very many of the features of CR. It's a poor CR mimetic. It certainly doesn't have the youth preserving functions that CR has.

@ViolettVol
There are 3 or 4 CR diets (including my own) in the Calorie Restriction section for you to check out. They are balanced and have very good nutrient profiles.

[Stefanovic]

in some other topics I've read that resveratrol isnt that weak when it comes to mimicking CR.
on the other hand: I have a pretty toned body which requires a bit more calories than on CR, if I'd go for CR, I'd lose mass and less mass = slower metabolism which is associated to aging. When people get older they lose muscles except for when they work out. So it's something to think about.

[scottknl]

in some other topics I've read that resveratrol isnt that weak when it comes to mimicking CR.
on the other hand: I have a pretty toned body which requires a bit more calories than on CR, if I'd go for CR, I'd lose mass and less mass = slower metabolism which is associated to aging. When people get older they lose muscles except for when they work out. So it's something to think about.

Well, I've noticed when looking at CR folks that the marathon runners look thin and long like any other serious marathon runners and the weight lifters look like weight lifters and those that do nothing at all look like they could use more exercise CR just modified what you look like a bit, but in most cases doesn't prohibit participation in your favorite sport. Probably if you go to the highest levels, maybe you might have to make some difficult choices, but for the average sportsman-CR follower it's possible to do both.

In my own case I'm very happy with the increased muscular definition on my own toned body, even if I have to give up some size and strength to get it. Overall it's a much more balanced look for me which is occasionally noticed by others.

[hivemind]

in some other topics I've read that resveratrol isnt that weak when it comes to mimicking CR.
on the other hand: I have a pretty toned body which requires a bit more calories than on CR, if I'd go for CR, I'd lose mass and less mass = slower metabolism which is associated to aging. When people get older they lose muscles except for when they work out. So it's something to think about.

Well, I've noticed when looking at CR folks that the marathon runners look thin and long like any other serious marathon runners and the weight lifters look like weight lifters and those that do nothing at all look like they could use more exercise CR just modified what you look like a bit, but in most cases doesn't prohibit participation in your favorite sport. Probably if you go to the highest levels, maybe you might have to make some difficult choices, but for the average sportsman-CR follower it's possible to do both.

In my own case I'm very happy with the increased muscular definition on my own toned body, even if I have to give up some size and strength to get it. Overall it's a much more balanced look for me which is occasionally noticed by others.

You are joking, right? Nobody on CR looks like a weightlifter. CR also lowers your testosterone levels. You become more feminine, both in looks and in thinking.

Edited by hivemind, 17 January 2012 - 11:57 PM.

[hippocampus]

I don't understand this radical sun avoidance ... I know it's bad for skin - but is there anything more? If we exclude vitamin D, sun has different light specter than usual light bulbs and is important or circadian rhytms and making serotonin (and maybe something else) in the brain. So unless you are using bulbs with blue light specter (those for treating SAD), I don't understand how you can feel good if you don't see any sun ... For me a brisk walk on sunlight is a very good antidepressant and in winter I get depressed exactly because of lack of sunlight (and I do take vitamin D and use that light for treating SAD).

[InquilineKea]

XBox 360 Kinect games (especially the FPS ones coming out next year). Exercise is awfully repetitive and boring unless I have something like that.

Alternatively, tickets to laser tag games.

Also, I'd use the $$$ for expensive low-glycemic index food as well. With $$, time becomes more important than $$, so I would prefer to minimize the amount of time I need to put into making food.

I'd also use the $$ to buy a huge amount of biomonitors - especially those that are just coming out. As well as air pollution monitors too (just in case).

And a huge number of blood tests on top of it all.

Edited by InquilineKea, 18 January 2012 - 12:40 AM.

[ViolettVol]

XBox 360 Kinect games (especially the FPS ones coming out next year). Exercise is awfully repetitive and boring unless I have something like that.

Alternatively, tickets to laser tag games.

Also, I'd use the $$$ for expensive low-glycemic index food as well. With $$, time becomes more important than $$, so I would prefer to minimize the amount of time I need to put into making food.

I'd also use the $$ to buy a huge amount of biomonitors - especially those that are just coming out. As well as air pollution monitors too (just in case).

And a huge number of blood tests on top of it all.

Could you name some of those expensive low glycemic foods you would choose? It interested me.

[InquilineKea]

Quinoa

[Cephalon]

I guess if you have alot $$ you look younger for a longer period of time automaticaly, because you have alot less stress. But you probably had alot stress to earn or to keep the $$ ...

Additionaly I would get a full genome analysis and would hire some specialists to set up a nutritional regime for me based on my genes and a supplement/pharmaceutical regime based on my prepositions to deseases.

Like someone mentioned, I would buy a farm for my organic foods. (Nuts, Grapes, Greens, Soy)

I would donate alot in aging, desease and cosmetic research. I would get regular facials.

Aren't there some fancy stem cell treatments available yet? I would get one of those then.

Sports: I would have more time to work out, which will help with looking good, but I do not think it will help you looking young. The hormones that were mentioned, like Testosterone may keep you feel vital or even look vital, but they accelerate aging. Everything that is anabolic will accelerate aging. Same with metabolism. A quicker metabolism should age you quicker than a slow one. Fewer cell devisions, longer telomeres. Additionaly working out is pro-oxidative. But on the other hand, exercise could help the body to better cope with oxidation through hormesis ... But sports and working out are fun, and joy is supposed to keep you young, isn't it?

Edited by Cephalon, 18 February 2012 - 12:31 AM.

[1thoughtMaze1]

I would send me the money, or I'll break your face