Hi, I'm pretty new to the whole idea of nootropics, but from what I've read on these forums, I am really excited to try. After reading a lot on here, I've decided to start my venture into this realm of self-improvement with The Likud Is Behind It's (bmud's?) recommended newby stack
1)Piracetam
2)Alpha-GDC (instead of CDPCholine because I read some of you prefer Alpha-GDC and trying to keep cost down for something that potentially won't work)
3)Sulbutaimine
I will hopefully get these in tomorrow, which is why I come to you all today.
In about two-three weeks time, I will be re-attempting a polyphasic sleep schedule (either Uberman or Dymaxion). For those of you who do not know, Polyphasic sleep is breaking out your sleep into multiple naps throughout the day, with the option of adding a shortened core sleep. The Uberman schedule is 6 equidistant 20-30 minute naps throughout the day, with Dymaxion being 4 equidistant naps. I know people on these forums tend to greatly discount polyphasic as heresay, but I have had good, albeit unsustainable results sofar. This time I will be in a perfect environment for the adaptation, and for sustainability. After the initial adaptation, I did not have problems with memory due to skipping possible memory dump opportunities with these short naps. I don't know how, but my memory almost felt like I was recalling something from earlier in the day, rather than having these big gaps in the fluidity of my memories caused by a monophasic sleep. I digress with all of this though, just giving a little background into my experience with polyphasic sleep in general. Back to nootropic talk, though.
With Sulbutaimine, I've read that it that it more or less wakes you up, and makes it very hard to sleep if you take it with any sort of proximity to when you plan on sleeping. I have also read that it only has a half-life of around 5 hours, more or less depending on the person. I have three questions resulting from this.
First, when people say that it's hard to sleep if you take it too late I just wonder on how difficult it is. Is it pretty much impossible to go to sleep while it is still in your system, a minor nuisance, or where exactly in between it falls?
Second, TLIBI (bmud?) said "Sulbutiamine prevents mental fatigue. You can be as effective 8 hours in to your day as you are upon waking up." Does that pretty much mean that even though the half-life is 5 hours, the effects still cary strong to the eight hour mark? Or will the effects subside enough to make a difference in regards to the first question in 4-6 hours?
Third, if it's not impossible to fall asleep on Sulbutaimine (polyphasic sleep grants an unholy ability to fall asleep) will it have an effect on REM sleep like caffeine does if active in your system?
On Piracetam, In ScienceGuy's Piracetam Dosage - Why you should be taking 4.8 grams / dose thread, BrainFrost asked why not take the 4.8 gram/dose 3 times a day instead of 2? to which Hyperspace basically said that you should only take piracetam twice a day to allow your brain enough time to recover. Your brain is more active on piracetam and if you don't give it a break, your brain won't have enough time create the amount of neurons to sustain the effect.
First, does anyone know if this is a substantiated claim or if it is just reasoning as to what the effects could be?
If it is a substantiated claim, is there anyway that a coupling of the racetams with a polyphasic sleep schedule could work at all? From how it seems, since my sleep schedule won't allow my full sleep period in the time where my brain is booting down from the piracetam stimulation, then I'll never be able to experience the full benefits of piracetam on a polyphasic schedule.
If that's true, then will I at least experience partial benefits, or anything noticable from the piracetam? Or should I just save it until a time where I'm not on a polyphasic schedule.
Also, would a NGF stimulator help cancel out the problems presented with this set-up?
If that claim isn't true, should I be taking a dose of piracetam after every period of sleep I have? I'll be taking a nap every 4 or six hours depending on the answers to the sulbutiamine question and if I actually get tired enough to be able to take a nap every 4 hours (I had a problem with this after I was last adjusted. With my naps and Piracetam's half-life possibly being the same time apart, or in my favor with the half-life being less, this seems like an ideal situation.
Lastly, does anyone have any recommended dosages on any of these? I've heard several recommended dosages, I'm about 5'11/6' ~155lbs, I don't really have a good diet at all at the moment, and I've never been one for vitamins. Who knows though, if this goes positively at all, I may just have to look into aquiring a stack that helps out other aspects than just my mind.
Just to give you a bit of insight. And what would be your recommended timing of the dosages? I do understand sulb. will probably have to be cycled, so I'll likely hold off on taking it until I start the polyphasic sleeping depending on the questions.Thank you very much if you've actually read this far, and sorry for asking way too many questions, I feel like this could be very promising though. Also, any feedback about anything is appreciated, even if it's just about the polyphasic sleep, although answers would be appreciated at least a tad bit more.
Thanks again
