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[5IMON]

Can someone tell me quick plus dosagesxxxx

[stablemind]

Herbal PDE4 inhibitor (3mg Forskollin) + cAMP concentration enhancer (500mg Artichoke) + Dopaminergic substance (Coffee, AMP, Phenylalanine) . You should read the thread for more details.

[SuperjackDid_]

I have taken Artichoke 300mg + Caffeine 40mg ,i'm very sensitive to anything ,how about Vinpocetine for PDE4 inhibitor ?

[SuperjackDid_]

I found very good effect synergistic Artichoke and Caffeine combo ,curious how much more effect when include PDE4 inhibitor in stack ,i do not have it right now .

How effect will last and will tolerance will develop to this stack? ,pretty good ,with no manic negative effect like racetam .


I think better than noopept(focus + clear head) ,that i ever tried but let see how about crash or next day effect.

[SuperjackDid_]

Added more 300mg Artichoke and up Caffeine dose to 50mg ,no effect much ,but i found increase in social skill ,better writing ,with less select wrong world ,mood little improve .
In my opinion ciltep stack have positive effect on me ,will add PDE4 inhibitor next in future .
Edit : i think my experience not hi-jack this thread subject ,i share dose and experiences and truth ,hope it help .

Edited by Nootropix, 04 November 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[megatron]

Aren't you leaving out the forskolin? However I haven't seen any effects from the CILTEP stack :(

[RS3RS]

Added more 300mg Artichoke and up Caffeine dose to 50mg ,no effect much ,but i found increase in social skill ,better writing ,with less select wrong world ,mood little improve .
In my opinion ciltep stack have positive effect on me ,will add PDE4 inhibitor next in future .
Edit : i think my experience not hi-jack this thread subject ,i share dose and experiences and truth ,hope it help .

That's not a CILTEP stack, that's just caffeine and artichoke. Not saying those two won't be synergistic in other ways, but you're not achieving long term potentiation.

With that said, you really should check out the actual CILTEP thread, located here (and perhaps move this conversation to there, as having multiple on-going threads about the same subject is counter productive):

http://www.longecity...ly-induced-ltp/

[SuperjackDid_]

I would it equate it to norepinephrine without the jitters. I know what norepinephrine feels like having been on adderall, NRIs, and ephedrine. You get energy and almost slight mania with some anxiety. Unfortunately, I find it also increases impulsiveness and makes me very irritable. No doubt the cAMP buildup in the PFC.

I've never thought that amphetamins act like norepinephine coz I thought that this monoamine provides self-control and the opposite of agitation. Seems that i need ciltep stack because what i need is energy and to be more self-assured. It's good that it increases impulsiveness. After a long time on anti-anxiety stuff like phenibut, l-theanine, bacopa my life became void without any feelings and emotions. And imagine on saturday I had a major smoking session with electronic cigarette and got a decent dose of nicotine. After returning home I felt desire to smoke again but since i did not have a cigarette with me I took 1.25 mg of selegiline which I did not manage to sell (i have side-effects from it) and what a wonder - I felt energy and good mood. I drank cofffee and the efect became even stronger. Caffeine synergizes with selegiline. Caffeine promotes dopamine generation and selegiline inhibits its desintegration. So I have had the feeling of euphoria since that day. It is the fifth day today and I still have some energy. But selegiline effects my heart badly. I have tension in chest. But it is still better than feeling like dead without any joy and emotions.
It is a good thing to add turmeric to selegiline and coffee. It makes the energizing effect even stronger with some calming action. But because of heart problems caused by selegiline I have to switch to other energy source. And I am grateful for your post. It seems that ciltep stack is what I need. Due to selegiline I feel desire to work, to do something even in spite of increased irritation. I feel the taste of life. I hezitate about seratonin-increasing drugs' being capable to give energy. Are they as effective as dopamine-increasing drugs? What is the difference in feelings aroused by dopamine, seratonine and norepinephrine. Dopamine definitely causes the feeling of euphoria and generally makes a person more happy. Never had a chance to try seratonin and norepinephrine-increasing drugs. I take turmeric but i think it is not so potent to provide significant seratonin boost.

Serotonin is generally inhibitory, it acts to decrease cAMP in most cases. So you would become even more dull on it.

Dopamine does increase happiness. This is done mainly by increasing cAMP as well and gives you the anxiety and zest.

Norepinephrine gives you alertness and focus but also raises blood pressure peripherally. Makes you a little quick and impulsive too.

I think if you are using something like selegine but do not appreciate the peripheral stimulation form the NE such as increased heart rate etc that you try a low dose of guanfacine. I found that removed all heart problems back when I took adderall.

Agreed ,i not really get full synergistic,but Artichoke + L-Phenylalanine give me much calm focus and enjoy studying more than a few hours ,that i usually tired and too lazy to do.

I really enjoy this combo anyway ,will try full CILTEP .

[alecnevsky]

Aren't you leaving out the forskolin? However I haven't seen any effects from the CILTEP stack :(

I'd say that me neither, since I've been taking it every day for 2 weeks but that's been on top of other 8-10 things. Ha! So not even sure what's doing what right now. It's all subtle though. Even with 15 noop substances mixed as per my PEA thread, the effects of 10mg of adderall are more noticeable.