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#1 d3v

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:54 PM


Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.

My question is, can natural flouride supplements be had, if so where and what form?
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#2 niner

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.


Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.
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#3 Hyphen

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:09 PM

Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.


Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.


I thought the flouride in tea for instance was all or at least mostly calcium flouride and less got asorbed then the synthetic variety?

Is this not true?

Either way, of course flouride of any kind is bad, but that's not to say one isn't worse then the other.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:26 PM

Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.


Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.


I thought the flouride in tea for instance was all or at least mostly calcium flouride and less got asorbed then the synthetic variety?

Is this not true?

Either way, of course flouride of any kind is bad, but that's not to say one isn't worse then the other.


You might be right. I kind of jumped the gun in my previous post, probably because the post contained some misinformation, and it sounded like the OP was saying "natural foobar is good, synthetic foobar is bad". That can only be true if the two versions of foobar are different, and even then it may not be true. Some forms of fluoride that are encountered in nature may be "better", i.e. less bioavailable (CaF2?) or worse (AlF3?) than the various forms used in water treatment or dental products. The OP makes no mention of the importance of dose, only saying that the synthetic forms are "extemely harmful to all living things" which makes them sound like plutonium. Fluoride is more like an essential mineral in that some is good, but too much is bad.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:18 AM

Fluoride in tea is too few to be too harmful plus it is less absorbable as you said but when it comes to water fluoridation and putting it in your toothpaste then there it becomes truly evil and bad for you.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

Just typed in fluoride in google and this was the second link.

http://www.fluoridea...g/issues/water/
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:09 PM

Fluoride in tea is too few to be too harmful plus it is less absorbable as you said but when it comes to water fluoridation and putting it in your toothpaste then there it becomes truly evil and bad for you.


Most of the evidence in the literature would say just the opposite. Plenty of Chinese people have fluorosis from drinking cheap brick tea, and there is lots of evidence that the use of fluoride for dental purposes is very beneficial. Here's a thought exercise for you: What would happen if you were on a diet that provided zero copper? What would happen if you ate a kilogram of copper sulfate? Dose matters.

Just typed in fluoride in google and this was the second link.

http://www.fluoridea...g/issues/water/


The booming market in internet fluoride (or mercury, or anti-vax...) quackery results in a good google ranking, but that doesn't mean it's right.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:21 PM

Lol dude youre a quack. In a few years when it comes out that this stuff actually is bad for you are you still going to call everyone a quack? What I wonder is why do you consider yourself intelligent but the minute anyone says something you don't agree with they're instantly labeled a quack by you. I've been using fluoride free toothpaste and my teeth go whiter and the enamel is growing back where it was worn through before. For 18 years of my life I've had those holes in my enamel and my teeth hasn't been as white as they are now after switching toothpaste. I drink fluoride free water although I can't say I've noticed any benefits or not from that. My main concern with fluoride is that it calcifies the pineal gland which is a very important gland in the brain.

Either way you have no right to label another human being as a quack simply because you don't agree with them. You suffer from severe cognitive dissonance and your way of dealing with it is calling someone a quack and moving on. You need to stop that. If you don't agree with someone that's fine. But stop with the name calling.
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#9 renfr

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:27 PM

Fluoride in tea is too few to be too harmful plus it is less absorbable as you said but when it comes to water fluoridation and putting it in your toothpaste then there it becomes truly evil and bad for you.


Most of the evidence in the literature would say just the opposite. Plenty of Chinese people have fluorosis from drinking cheap brick tea, and there is lots of evidence that the use of fluoride for dental purposes is very beneficial. Here's a thought exercise for you: What would happen if you were on a diet that provided zero copper? What would happen if you ate a kilogram of copper sulfate? Dose matters.

Just typed in fluoride in google and this was the second link.

http://www.fluoridea...g/issues/water/


The booming market in internet fluoride (or mercury, or anti-vax...) quackery results in a good google ranking, but that doesn't mean it's right.

I meant it's too few if you take normal doses, I don't know about the consumption of tea in China but I guess it's pretty high and probably the Chineses ate the whole herb as well.
that it is beneficial for teeth in very low dose is a good thing but it's not a reason to force it into the whole population by fluoridating water and by hiding it in the labels, if fluoride in tea is already enough to cause fluorisis then it is even more a concern for fluoride in tap water, mineral water and toothpaste.
Drinking tea from time to time is more than enough to get enough fluoride in your diet, no need to poison our water or add massive amounts in toothpaste, if fluoride was harmless then why is it even counted in ppm?
There's some quackery about fluoride, yes but that doesn't mean it can be considered as safe, in the US fluoride poisoning affected 25% of children in 1987 and 40% in 2002 according to the Center of Disease Control, maybe it's time to think about it.
Also if you remove unproven facts that fluoride cause cancer, kidney damage, etc... there are still studies that show that high fluoride consumption leads to damage of the BBB, fluoride accumulates and does cause lesions.
Is it normal for some mineral water to contain the TUL of fluoride per liter? I don't think so and yet it's what you're being sold.
The average american takes 3-4 liters of water a day(including water in food), that's up to 4 times the TUL and even the TUL was likely designed by fluoride supporters so these levels are likely more dangerous than what we think.
People should be able to chose whether they want fluoride or not in their diet, if you want some fluoride drink some tea or buy some fluoride supplements, putting fluoride artificially where it shouldn't be is an utter stupidity.

Edited by renfr, 02 April 2013 - 05:33 PM.

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#10 renfr

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:44 PM

Beware of your sodium chloride, sometimes sodium chloride is combined with fluoride!
Sodium chloride is table salt, they're really very pernicious to put fluoride everywhere.
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#11 helluva nootro

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:19 PM

Just going over a few articles again to do with things on this topic. Natural or synthetic it seems fluoride isn't great in many circumstances. In very minute amounts it can serve its purpose but otherwise is toxic and can become poisonous. Not to over dramatize the situation... many things could be labelled as such if ingested in to great a quantity. It does make you wonder though, with fluoride in the water supply, table salt and many other common consumables how much of a "cocktail" type effect it has when combined. Myself I have been looking into the effect fluoride has on accumulating into plaque on and around your pineal gland. Slightly off topic but an interesting read-up for some of you

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:25 PM

And renfr, just a note, doesn't the fluoride found in tea steam from the pesticides they use during production? It seems the plants absorb it rather well

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:31 AM

And renfr, just a note, doesn't the fluoride found in tea steam from the pesticides they use during production? It seems the plants absorb it rather well


I don't think that's the case. Tea absorbs minerals from the soil, like fluoride, or aluminum, which is probably worse. If pesticides contain any fluorine at all, it's very likely to be bound to a carbon atom, thus not available as inorganic fluoride.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:56 PM

Xylitol with calcium lactate does a better job than fluoride at protecting and restoring teeth.
You can make a mouthwash with calcium lactate, xylitol and a little sea salt pretty cheaply.
http://ultimateoralh...nting-cavities/
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#15 helluva nootro

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:15 PM

interesting thanks

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:42 PM

I've switched to fluoride free toothpaste completely and didn't really notice a huge difference. When it comes to tea, I let it sip for 15 seconds in about 1/3 volume of the cup and remove that water before refilling. Lowers aluminum, fluoride and caffeine load as well, I guess. Also I've switched to distilled water for most use. I just add a 1/2 table spoon Potassium Chloride per liter to prevent osmosis effect at the enamel and add potassium to my system.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:40 PM

I've switched to fluoride free toothpaste completely and didn't really notice a huge difference. When it comes to tea, I let it sip for 15 seconds in about 1/3 volume of the cup and remove that water before refilling. Lowers aluminum, fluoride and caffeine load as well, I guess. Also I've switched to distilled water for most use. I just add a 1/2 table spoon Potassium Chloride per liter to prevent osmosis effect at the enamel and add potassium to my system.


You've removed fluoride both from dental products and water. Are you sure you're getting enough to maintain healthy teeth and bones? Fluoride isn't something you want zero of. By drinking distilled water, you are losing all of the natural minerals in the water- calcium, magnesium, and a lot of other things you need in your diet. Distilled water usually doesn't taste very good either. I worry that these steps are resulting in more harm than good.
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#18 dz93

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:01 AM

I've removed all intentional sources of floiride from my diet. Water and toothpaste mainly. I'm sure I get it from fooda , etc. But everyone always asks me how I keep my teeth so white lol. I use toothpaste that was formulated with other stuff very good for your teeth tho. None of that fluoride free store bought crap. I haven't notice any negative effects since intentionally removing fluoride so I'm going to keep it that way.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:11 AM

Fluoride doesn't make your teeth white. It makes them less likely to get cavities, which are invisible until they are really bad. Without fairly sophisticated testing, the first sign of a bone problem is usually a fracture.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:26 AM

Well I also rarely consume sugar or anything else that rots teeth so that could be it too. But I make sure I get in to the dentist every 6 months. They can see parts of my teeth I can't myself lol.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:08 AM

 

Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.

 

 

There is a difference lol!! I thought you would know that ??

 

There are many different types of Fluoride .. 


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#22 maxwatt

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:07 PM

I'm afraid to say aything intelligent... it would ruin the conversation.


Edited by maxwatt, 30 May 2014 - 01:08 PM.
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#23 dz93

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:10 PM

Too much conspiracy talk going on here. Quacks are everywhere.

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:09 PM

Xylitol with calcium lactate does a better job than fluoride at protecting and restoring teeth.
You can make a mouthwash with calcium lactate, xylitol and a little sea salt pretty cheaply.
 

 

Please share your formula for mixing this.



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 04:33 PM

yes please share the formula and where you get the ingredients.

 

My teeth are screwed, cosmetically they are not rotten and exactly so bad looking at the front but they are definitely not white plus I have a million cavities at the rear of the teeth.

 

I was going to get something like this http://www.amazon.com/Remineralization-Gel-Remineralizing-Sensitivity-Whitening/dp/B004VEZ1LY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401725908&sr=8-3&keywords=fluoride 

or another fluoride treatment.

 

Been living in South Korea for 2 years now with no fluoride in the water, the tap water here is supposedly safe to drink but no one drinks it.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:46 AM

Too much conspiracy talk going on here. Quacks are everywhere.

 

A few post earlier you were chiefly among the quacks....



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:35 AM

I started supplementing fluoride and realized how stupid I was before. I know it doesn't but its almost like fluoride has nootropic properties when you take enough of it.
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