Fluoride - Natural vs Synthetic - WATCH OU...
d3v 23 Jan 2013
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.
My question is, can natural flouride supplements be had, if so where and what form?
niner 23 Jan 2013
Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.
Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.
Hyphen 01 Apr 2013
Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.
Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.
I thought the flouride in tea for instance was all or at least mostly calcium flouride and less got asorbed then the synthetic variety?
Is this not true?
Either way, of course flouride of any kind is bad, but that's not to say one isn't worse then the other.
niner 01 Apr 2013
Many natural foods that contain high levels of flouride such as green tea, himalayan salt, and actually just about all natural foods in general contain varying amounts of flouride, but this is naturally occuring flouride in the soil/earth and is good for us.
The flouride found in municipal water supplies and dental care products is man made and extremely harmful to all living things.
Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.
I thought the flouride in tea for instance was all or at least mostly calcium flouride and less got asorbed then the synthetic variety?
Is this not true?
Either way, of course flouride of any kind is bad, but that's not to say one isn't worse then the other.
You might be right. I kind of jumped the gun in my previous post, probably because the post contained some misinformation, and it sounded like the OP was saying "natural foobar is good, synthetic foobar is bad". That can only be true if the two versions of foobar are different, and even then it may not be true. Some forms of fluoride that are encountered in nature may be "better", i.e. less bioavailable (CaF2?) or worse (AlF3?) than the various forms used in water treatment or dental products. The OP makes no mention of the importance of dose, only saying that the synthetic forms are "extemely harmful to all living things" which makes them sound like plutonium. Fluoride is more like an essential mineral in that some is good, but too much is bad.
renfr 02 Apr 2013
dz93 02 Apr 2013
http://www.fluoridea...g/issues/water/
niner 02 Apr 2013
Fluoride in tea is too few to be too harmful plus it is less absorbable as you said but when it comes to water fluoridation and putting it in your toothpaste then there it becomes truly evil and bad for you.
Most of the evidence in the literature would say just the opposite. Plenty of Chinese people have fluorosis from drinking cheap brick tea, and there is lots of evidence that the use of fluoride for dental purposes is very beneficial. Here's a thought exercise for you: What would happen if you were on a diet that provided zero copper? What would happen if you ate a kilogram of copper sulfate? Dose matters.
Just typed in fluoride in google and this was the second link.
http://www.fluoridea...g/issues/water/
The booming market in internet fluoride (or mercury, or anti-vax...) quackery results in a good google ranking, but that doesn't mean it's right.
dz93 02 Apr 2013
Either way you have no right to label another human being as a quack simply because you don't agree with them. You suffer from severe cognitive dissonance and your way of dealing with it is calling someone a quack and moving on. You need to stop that. If you don't agree with someone that's fine. But stop with the name calling.
renfr 02 Apr 2013
I meant it's too few if you take normal doses, I don't know about the consumption of tea in China but I guess it's pretty high and probably the Chineses ate the whole herb as well.Fluoride in tea is too few to be too harmful plus it is less absorbable as you said but when it comes to water fluoridation and putting it in your toothpaste then there it becomes truly evil and bad for you.
Most of the evidence in the literature would say just the opposite. Plenty of Chinese people have fluorosis from drinking cheap brick tea, and there is lots of evidence that the use of fluoride for dental purposes is very beneficial. Here's a thought exercise for you: What would happen if you were on a diet that provided zero copper? What would happen if you ate a kilogram of copper sulfate? Dose matters.Just typed in fluoride in google and this was the second link.
http://www.fluoridea...g/issues/water/
The booming market in internet fluoride (or mercury, or anti-vax...) quackery results in a good google ranking, but that doesn't mean it's right.
that it is beneficial for teeth in very low dose is a good thing but it's not a reason to force it into the whole population by fluoridating water and by hiding it in the labels, if fluoride in tea is already enough to cause fluorisis then it is even more a concern for fluoride in tap water, mineral water and toothpaste.
Drinking tea from time to time is more than enough to get enough fluoride in your diet, no need to poison our water or add massive amounts in toothpaste, if fluoride was harmless then why is it even counted in ppm?
There's some quackery about fluoride, yes but that doesn't mean it can be considered as safe, in the US fluoride poisoning affected 25% of children in 1987 and 40% in 2002 according to the Center of Disease Control, maybe it's time to think about it.
Also if you remove unproven facts that fluoride cause cancer, kidney damage, etc... there are still studies that show that high fluoride consumption leads to damage of the BBB, fluoride accumulates and does cause lesions.
Is it normal for some mineral water to contain the TUL of fluoride per liter? I don't think so and yet it's what you're being sold.
The average american takes 3-4 liters of water a day(including water in food), that's up to 4 times the TUL and even the TUL was likely designed by fluoride supporters so these levels are likely more dangerous than what we think.
People should be able to chose whether they want fluoride or not in their diet, if you want some fluoride drink some tea or buy some fluoride supplements, putting fluoride artificially where it shouldn't be is an utter stupidity.
Edited by renfr, 02 April 2013 - 05:33 PM.
renfr 02 Apr 2013
Sodium chloride is table salt, they're really very pernicious to put fluoride everywhere.
helluva nootro 30 May 2013
helluva nootro 30 May 2013
niner 31 May 2013
And renfr, just a note, doesn't the fluoride found in tea steam from the pesticides they use during production? It seems the plants absorb it rather well
I don't think that's the case. Tea absorbs minerals from the soil, like fluoride, or aluminum, which is probably worse. If pesticides contain any fluorine at all, it's very likely to be bound to a carbon atom, thus not available as inorganic fluoride.
zorba990 31 May 2013
You can make a mouthwash with calcium lactate, xylitol and a little sea salt pretty cheaply.
http://ultimateoralh...nting-cavities/
DorianGrey 22 Aug 2013
Edited by DorianGrey, 22 August 2013 - 08:45 PM.
niner 22 Aug 2013
I've switched to fluoride free toothpaste completely and didn't really notice a huge difference. When it comes to tea, I let it sip for 15 seconds in about 1/3 volume of the cup and remove that water before refilling. Lowers aluminum, fluoride and caffeine load as well, I guess. Also I've switched to distilled water for most use. I just add a 1/2 table spoon Potassium Chloride per liter to prevent osmosis effect at the enamel and add potassium to my system.
You've removed fluoride both from dental products and water. Are you sure you're getting enough to maintain healthy teeth and bones? Fluoride isn't something you want zero of. By drinking distilled water, you are losing all of the natural minerals in the water- calcium, magnesium, and a lot of other things you need in your diet. Distilled water usually doesn't taste very good either. I worry that these steps are resulting in more harm than good.
dz93 23 Aug 2013
niner 23 Aug 2013
dz93 23 Aug 2013
mrnootropic 30 May 2014
Fluoride is fluoride. There is no difference between "natural" and "synthetic" fluoride. That's just quackery.
There is a difference lol!! I thought you would know that ??
There are many different types of Fluoride ..
maxwatt 30 May 2014
I'm afraid to say aything intelligent... it would ruin the conversation.
Edited by maxwatt, 30 May 2014 - 01:08 PM.
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wannabeageless 30 May 2014
Xylitol with calcium lactate does a better job than fluoride at protecting and restoring teeth.
You can make a mouthwash with calcium lactate, xylitol and a little sea salt pretty cheaply.
Please share your formula for mixing this.
Adamzski 02 Jun 2014
yes please share the formula and where you get the ingredients.
My teeth are screwed, cosmetically they are not rotten and exactly so bad looking at the front but they are definitely not white plus I have a million cavities at the rear of the teeth.
I was going to get something like this http://www.amazon.com/Remineralization-Gel-Remineralizing-Sensitivity-Whitening/dp/B004VEZ1LY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401725908&sr=8-3&keywords=fluoride
or another fluoride treatment.
Been living in South Korea for 2 years now with no fluoride in the water, the tap water here is supposedly safe to drink but no one drinks it.
nupi 18 Jun 2014
Too much conspiracy talk going on here. Quacks are everywhere.
A few post earlier you were chiefly among the quacks....