19 replies to this topic

[Andy Colley]

Wait ,maybe were not ready to live forever yet

[Jakare]

I'd rather take the risk.

[Andy Colley]

risk everything just so you live hmmmmmmm seems crazy to me

[Jakare]

Everything in what sense?

To me it seems crazy to reject a long life because of a "maybe". If it turns out that such "maybe" was not that relevant, we very well have committed a murder by negligence.

[Andy Colley]

even if it broke down society and ruined thousands of years of human sacrifice just so you could live a bit longer than you are supposed too

[Jakare]

Sorry, I do not understand how exactly is going to broke down society. If by "years of human sacrifice" you do mean the unbearable loss and struggling to survive that human history is, I think there is room for improvement. Society will change as it has always done for one reason or another. You may say "ruined" other may say "transformed", other may say "transcended". Human sacrifice (and suffering) is precisely what needs to be prevented. You are talking as if longevity was simply and individual egotistical goal, I might say the same of sexual reproduction... and then we both will be wrong. We are all together in the same ship but the journey does not need to be so painful and I am very far apart of idealizing suffering.

live a bit longer than you are supposed too

Whoever is making a supposition on how long I should be living is invading my privacy. That comment of yours has deep implications for modern medicine. Could you please give your opinion on the next question? When we get to a certain age and start showing symptoms of a serious illness, should we accept our fate and wait to dye? Or are we allowed to seek medical treatment?

Edited by Jakare, 29 April 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[Andy Colley]

i dont think the average person alive today is at the state of consciousness where it would be of any benefit for them to live past 100, maybe some people just need to die for things to progress and change , i mean that is the natural way of things after all , i worry it will just let the ruling elite extend there power and holt the necessary changes that we need to make

Edited by Andy Colley, 29 April 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[revenant]

*yawn* "uh deep freeze sucked...holy **** ...what year is it!!!

[Danail Bulgaria]

Andy, if You think, that You are not ready to live forever, then don't. The others have the right to seek for a way to live forever.

[Andy Colley]

my point being at what cost

[Julia36]

We have no option. Death is an illusion
Our futures are infinite because of the infinite multiverse.

In the immensity of infinity, that which is improbable happens.

i put resurrection of the dead at 40 years away tops

[Andy Colley]

does no one else consider the downsides to this though , i think for humans dieing is a healthy thing for society so unless it comes in form of a new improved human or maybe A.I , i dont see immortality being a safe option

*yawn* "uh deep freeze sucked...holy **** ...what year is it!!!

whats your point

[Andy Colley]

Sorry, I do not understand how exactly is going to broke down society. If by "years of human sacrifice" you do mean the unbearable loss and struggling to survive that human history is, I think there is room for improvement. Society will change as it has always done for one reason or another. You may say "ruined" other may say "transformed", other may say "transcended". Human sacrifice (and suffering) is precisely what needs to be prevented. You are talking as if longevity was simply and individual egotistical goal, I might say the same of sexual reproduction... and then we both will be wrong. We are all together in the same ship but the journey does not need to be so painful and I am very far apart of idealizing suffering.

live a bit longer than you are supposed too

Whoever is making a supposition on how long I should be living is invading my privacy. That comment of yours has deep implications for modern medicine. Could you please give your opinion on the next question? When we get to a certain age and start showing symptoms of a serious illness, should we accept our fate and wait to dye? Or are we allowed to seek medical treatment?

with are current system the magic live forever pills will go to the elite and rich people widening the gap between rich and poor so much if will have serious consequences resulting in even more injustices

[Suirsuss]

uh well if its going to happen the plutocrats are certainly going to be among the first to have access to the life extension.. one of my main reasons to be up to date on longevity revolves around this issue. IF those greedy bastards are going to live forever then I sure as hell am going to john connor their bullshit robot armies some day.

[Jakare]

Sorry, I do not understand how exactly is going to broke down society. If by "years of human sacrifice" you do mean the unbearable loss and struggling to survive that human history is, I think there is room for improvement. Society will change as it has always done for one reason or another. You may say "ruined" other may say "transformed", other may say "transcended". Human sacrifice (and suffering) is precisely what needs to be prevented. You are talking as if longevity was simply and individual egotistical goal, I might say the same of sexual reproduction... and then we both will be wrong. We are all together in the same ship but the journey does not need to be so painful and I am very far apart of idealizing suffering.

live a bit longer than you are supposed too

Whoever is making a supposition on how long I should be living is invading my privacy. That comment of yours has deep implications for modern medicine. Could you please give your opinion on the next question? When we get to a certain age and start showing symptoms of a serious illness, should we accept our fate and wait to dye? Or are we allowed to seek medical treatment?

with are current system the magic live forever pills will go to the elite and rich people widening the gap between rich and poor so much if will have serious consequences resulting in even more injustices

Well 52" 3D TVs do exist and they are only for an elite. Basic TVs do exist and are no longer for an elite. Previously expensive drugs and surgical procedures like prosthetics, dental implants, eyes laser correction or plastic surgery is no longer for an elite.

So, that particular scenario you are dreading is just a continuity of what we already have, not a change for the worse. I wouldn't mind if some fat cats pay for the research and have access to such "magic pill" if that does mean it would eventually become available to more people in a decade or two.

People from the future have rights also. Should our society not develop new antibiotics because they are going to be expensive "and for an elite" at first? I do not think so.

Edited by Jakare, 12 May 2013 - 10:46 AM.

[blueinfinity]

Sorry, I do not understand how exactly is going to broke down society. If by "years of human sacrifice" you do mean the unbearable loss and struggling to survive that human history is, I think there is room for improvement. Society will change as it has always done for one reason or another. You may say "ruined" other may say "transformed", other may say "transcended". Human sacrifice (and suffering) is precisely what needs to be prevented. You are talking as if longevity was simply and individual egotistical goal, I might say the same of sexual reproduction... and then we both will be wrong. We are all together in the same ship but the journey does not need to be so painful and I am very far apart of idealizing suffering.

live a bit longer than you are supposed too

Whoever is making a supposition on how long I should be living is invading my privacy. That comment of yours has deep implications for modern medicine. Could you please give your opinion on the next question? When we get to a certain age and start showing symptoms of a serious illness, should we accept our fate and wait to dye? Or are we allowed to seek medical treatment?

with are current system the magic live forever pills will go to the elite and rich people widening the gap between rich and poor so much if will have serious consequences resulting in even more injustices

does no one else consider the downsides to this though , i think for humans dieing is a healthy thing for society so unless it comes in form of a new improved human or maybe A.I , i dont see immortality being a safe option

*yawn* "uh deep freeze sucked...holy **** ...what year is it!!!

whats your point

sounds like a bunch of entitlement issues and whining, thats pretty much all you made this thread for?
you gonna start telling people how to live, eat, breathe also?

[Andy Colley]

sounds like some fear of death and loss of loved ones issues

[Suirsuss]

sounds like some fear of death and loss of loved ones issues

hehehe ..now you must know you could probably spend all day repeating that on these forums

[Jakare]

sounds like some fear of death and loss of loved ones issues

Since when having fear to something harmful, painful and that takes from you something you value is an issue? If you see a train or a lion coming towards you, fear is an issue? Fear is in most cases very informative.
Embrace the lion? C'mon!!!

[Lister]

The Magic live forever pill = Flying Cars in the 60’s or moon bases in 2001. Aging will likely be cured through gradual shifts. Cataracts, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, brain clots, etc. are all things that used to kill us or cripple us once upon a time. We’re already well into this…

You have to remember Andy part of the cure for aging is very lengthy periods of time. Present society evolves, changes, splits, divides, is destroyed and completely rebuilt once every 10 years. Even if this Magic Live Forever Pill appeared tomorrow it wouldn’t have any drastic effects on society for at least 50 to 100 years. An 80 year old who doesn’t die tomorrow is going to take 10 years to retrain, another 10 to reintroduce into society and even then they may give up and die anyways just because they don’t want to live forever.

Don’t underestimate humanities ability to adapt.