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[Dominicus]

Just wonderig for the Frugally minded folks is it's cheaper to buy already made c60evoo or make it yourself.

What's the concensus on this?

[YOLF]

Depends on how much you're going to make. The equipment used to obtain the professional grade quality is pretty expensive. But improvised diy can be done pretty cheap with an ok end result. If you want quality buy from RevGenetics or Vaughter Wellness, you'll be making this stuff for years before you recover your investment. If diy is okay, you can buy 1g of c60 and the olive oil for cost of about 5 bottles from Vaughter Wellness or 2 bottles from RevGenetics. There are 45mg of C60 in a 50ml bottle of VW C60 (0.9mg/100ml) and 80mg of C60 in a 100ml bottle of RG C60 (0.8mg/100ml). 1g of C60 runs $115 and at 0.9mg/100ml, will make 11 bottles or 12.5 bottles at .8mg/100ml.

11 bottles of VW C60 = 27*11 = $297
12.5 bottles of RG C60 = 89*12.5 = $1,112.50

Plus shipping...

[niner]

Depends on how much you're going to make. The equipment used to obtain the professional grade quality is pretty expensive. But improvised diy can be done pretty cheap with an ok end result. If you want quality buy from RevGenetics or Vaughter Wellness, you'll be making this stuff for years before you recover your investment. If diy is okay, you can buy 1g of c60 and the olive oil for cost of about 5 bottles from Vaughter Wellness or 2 bottles from RevGenetics. There are 45mg of C60 in a 50ml bottle of VW C60 (0.9mg/100ml) and 80mg of C60 in a 100ml bottle of RG C60 (0.8mg/100ml). 1g of C60 runs $115 and at 0.9mg/100ml, will make 11 bottles or 12.5 bottles at .8mg/100ml.

11 bottles of VW C60 = 27*11 = $297
12.5 bottles of RG C60 = 89*12.5 = $1,112.50

It's not 0.8mg/100ml, it's 100ml of 0.8mg/ml, which is 80mg/100ml. I searched RevGenetics.com, and couldn't find any reference to c60. However, the first seller of c60-oo in the world was carbon60oliveoil.com, and they will sell you a liter for 490 dollars. They also have smaller quantities. Some of our members have used both carbon60oliveoil and Sarah Vaughter's products, and the consensus is that they are both good quality, so I wouldn't be afraid to shop at either site. Many of us have made our own c60-oo. The low tech method is to buy a gram of 99.95% c60 from SES Research, crush it, and place it in about a liter and a half of fresh olive oil. Shake it daily for a week or two until it turns deep reddish-purple and the solid particles are gone. The finer it's ground, the quicker it goes. You don't really need any expensive equipment; maybe a mortar and pestle and a milligram scale (if you want to make a smaller batch or know exactly how much you're putting in the bottle), but those are cheap.

The Vaughter Wellness product is 45mg in 50ml, not 90 in 100ml.

The prices I calculate for equivalent amounts of c60-oo are:

DIY: $115 (c60) + $30 (oil) = $145 for 800mg/1000ml (assuming 20% loss because you're sloppy...)

Vaughter Wellness: 18 bottles of 45mg/50ml: $27*18 = $486

Carbon60oliveoil.com 10 bottles of 80mg/100ml ("case discount") = $490

If you just want to try it out, I'd buy a single small bottle of the ready-made oil. If you want to take a lot or share it with others, making your own is a pretty reasonable alternative.

If RevGenetics is actually in this market, could someone post a link?

[YOLF]

I was just making a good comparison of VW and RG products. The label on my RG C60 says 0.8mg/ml which is the same as 80mg/100ml. 45mg/50ml is the same ratio as 90mg/100ml or 0.9mg/100ml. It's better for price comparison to do it that way. RG is in the market, but it isn't in their regular product listings as it's for your pet rats rather than an actual person despite being the one with the formula with the most high tech safety mechanisms. VW is also safe, RG just invested in an improved process. You have to sign up at a secondary site to be able to access the RG product.

Actually, RG may be out of the market, the site where I found his product isn't linking to an RG page anymore, it's linking to the link you provided... I can take a pic of my RG bottle though. Pitty... I did see it as a trendsetter for quality... Anthony's pretty good at publishing his tests and testing his methods.

FYI: Sams Club OO <$15/gallon for the light stuff and it apparently isn't cut with any other oil.

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Edited by cryonicsculture, 03 May 2013 - 10:05 PM.

[niner]

You have to sign up at a secondary site to be able to access the RG product.

Wow. That is a strange form of marketing. Is he trying to NOT sell it? His competitors are also undercutting him by a factor of two+. Maybe this is meant to provide an air of exclusivity?

[d4shing]

I've been quoted $75 for 2g (99.5% not 99.95%). Seems like a no-brainer to DIY.

I think if you post a link to RG's c60 you have to pay him a million helicopters and a dollar or something.

[YOLF]

A million helicopters and a dollar? That exclusive huh?

Anthony isn't that bad though. He's just being pre-emptive.

Edited by cryonicsculture, 04 May 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[hav]

...
If RevGenetics is actually in this market, could someone post a link?

They have their c60 web content on a different domain: c60.net ... but you need to register to view the content. Which I have not done. So I cannot tell if they are selling or making anything directly or perhaps just doing a referral.

Howard

[niner]

He's just being pre-emptive.

Preemptive of what? Free advertising? I don't get it.

[YOLF]

He's keeping people out of his market IMO.

[mikey]

Anthony or RG is not making it anymore.
He is referring people to carbon's or SV's sites.
See: http://c60.net/buy-c60-olive-oil/

He probably has the same fear that I had when I decided not to make and sell it.

At some point maybe FDA will focus their attention on sellers.

I wouldn't ever want that to happen.

Even if you label it "For Research Purposes Only" you might have to deal with a lot of headaches.

By the way, I had made statements about my belief that my grey and white hair was darkening slightly with C60 use.

There's new data that goes beyond what I found out about the body's own hydrogen peroxide bleaching our hair as we age.

They have a compound that apparently can reverse the greying of hair.
See: http://www.scienceda...30503132958.htm

Edited by mikey, 05 May 2013 - 01:57 AM.

[YOLF]

Interesting article about grey hair! There was a thread that was devoted to reversing grey hair. Have you posted the link there?

[mikey]

I haven't. But I am now.

Thanks!

[blueinfinity]

whats the general consensus for the best source, Small bottles for small runs,

pros and cons of just jumping to the DIY and where would i get the $115 c60 mentioned above?

[tintinet]

whats the general consensus for the best source, Small bottles for small runs, pros and cons of just jumping to the DIY and where would i get the $115 c60 mentioned above?

Sesres.com

Maybe try a small bottle, just to see if you think it's worth continuing. Otherwise, it's easy and much more cost effective to DIY.

[YOLF]

Well the pros are obvious. It's cheaper...

The cons are:
* No quality testing
* Possibility of total loss due to mistakes in the process (Sarah Vaughter threw away her entire first batch for some reason or another related to quality).
* Smaller batches mean less consistant measurements
* Possible contamination
* Impropper handling or storage may result in damage to molecules (usually brown bottles are used that block light wavelengths that damage things and may apply)

[pleb]

If your prepared to use the lower grade 95.5 % c60 it's cheaper still, 45 dollars a gram I've now made over 2-1/2 litres most of which has been given to friends none of them have had any problems from the lower purity, i originally bough 3 bottles from SV,

i bought a small electronic scale on ebay for about 6 dollars, and use 0.4 gram to each half litre bottle of oil,
including import and postage for the C60 then olive oil its cost me about the equivalent of a dollar fifty for the same as the full SV bottle
its in the bottle the oil came in and just kept in a dark cupboard, i use the empty SV bottles and keep one filled to use the pippete that's part of the stopper as its easier for me that way

[Danail Bulgaria]

About the prospect of making Your own C60

there was already a topic about it, that become forgotten.

http://www.longecity...ng-c60-at-home/

[Danail Bulgaria]

There was also an oppinion, that the above topic is surreal.

Here is some summary of the cited topic:

Producing C60 is possible by using the generation of a large current between two nearby graphite electrodes in an inert atmosphere. Considering, that the dose for human averagly is 2mg/day C60, there comes the question will it be much cheaper the C60 to be produced in non labolatory conditions.

This method seems to be possible to be designed and made in home conditions, however it can not produce pure C60. It produces also other fullerenes, such as C70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes. It seems, however, that the by products are not toxic and maybe will not be needed to be purified at all, especially with the usage of a toxic toluene. The fullerenes, produced on this way is expected to be approx 5-10% fullerenes.

Purifying them, however, if needed, is possible, and may happen further with the usage of a chromatographic column. According to niner purification can be tried with a big column and a vacuum oven and thus it would be cheaper than all the manufacturing stuff you'd need, and you'd still need to purify it. Furthermore it appears, that Ethyl Acetate can be used for further purification, rather than toluene.

Advanced schematics of a Fullerene Generator with explanations was provided by Logic.

The topic went forgotten (maybe because of the appearance of other interesting topics) and further development of the idea for producing Your own C60 was not discussed.

[pleb]

I Think it became forgotten because it became readily available from SES it was posted some time ago when people thought that perhaps in the future there might have been attempts by the FDA once they got wind of it, of stopping or making it illegal to buy, unless you were a specialist company or organisation,so the need fo build a generator became redundant,
drawings of the generator, and a column for separation of C60 C70 etc were all in the same thread
it was me that sent the drawings to logic, they were published on the net by Sussex University when Harry Kroto was teaching there,,

Edited by pleb, 16 May 2013 - 08:00 AM.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Thanks for the drawings then!

[blueinfinity]

This method seems to be possible to be designed and made in home conditions, however it can not produce pure C60. It produces also other fullerenes, such as C70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes. It seems, however, that the by products are not toxic and maybe will not be needed to be purified at all, especially with the usage of a toxic toluene. The fullerenes, produced on this way is expected to be approx 5-10% fullerenes.

This was my main concern, is there negatives or still somewhat unknown what effects and side effects there are from consuming the "other fullerenes" such as c70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes.

Is our body able to flush out or is there a certain limit in which it gets trapped in our body and once a certain level is reached, fatal/toxic?

[niner]

This method seems to be possible to be designed and made in home conditions, however it can not produce pure C60. It produces also other fullerenes, such as C70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes. It seems, however, that the by products are not toxic and maybe will not be needed to be purified at all, especially with the usage of a toxic toluene. The fullerenes, produced on this way is expected to be approx 5-10% fullerenes.

This was my main concern, is there negatives or still somewhat unknown what effects and side effects there are from consuming the "other fullerenes" such as c70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes.

Is our body able to flush out or is there a certain limit in which it gets trapped in our body and once a certain level is reached, fatal/toxic?

I wouldn't dream of trying to make my own c60 when you can buy highly purified c60 on the open market. Nanotubes are toxic in a variety of contexts, amorphous soot is a question mark, but unlikely to be good. Higher fullerenes like c70 have been looked at a bit, and got a thumbs-down from one of our members. There are just WAY too many unknowns, along with known toxicities, to even think of doing this.

[pleb]

The column for and details for separation was in with the generator post, but in view of the ease with which it can be purchased it doesn't make sense to make the equipment and produce your own,

i agree with niner using SES's lowest grade of C60 even with the oil it only works out at a dollar a week if your in the US or a Quid a week if your the other side of the pond,and have to pay import duty, that's taken at the same dose as SV or the other venders recommended amounts
and without the hassle you would have making it and separating it,

Edited by pleb, 16 May 2013 - 09:00 PM.

[blueinfinity]

This method seems to be possible to be designed and made in home conditions, however it can not produce pure C60. It produces also other fullerenes, such as C70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes. It seems, however, that the by products are not toxic and maybe will not be needed to be purified at all, especially with the usage of a toxic toluene. The fullerenes, produced on this way is expected to be approx 5-10% fullerenes.

This was my main concern, is there negatives or still somewhat unknown what effects and side effects there are from consuming the "other fullerenes" such as c70, activated charcoal, amorphous soot, and nanotubes.

Is our body able to flush out or is there a certain limit in which it gets trapped in our body and once a certain level is reached, fatal/toxic?

I wouldn't dream of trying to make my own c60 when you can buy highly purified c60 on the open market. Nanotubes are toxic in a variety of contexts, amorphous soot is a question mark, but unlikely to be good. Higher fullerenes like c70 have been looked at a bit, and got a thumbs-down from one of our members. There are just WAY too many unknowns, along with known toxicities, to even think of doing this.

this was my initial concern, thanks for answering, as i feel the same way, i want to wait and see how this "testing" phase turns out and especially to see a little more research and evidence on the purity of the c60 on the products in the open market,

has there been any 3rd party testing of these products to ensure the 99.9% c60 and not any of the other by-products, mold, or contaminants?

[Danail Bulgaria]

Nothing about C60 is tested over people. It is not a coinsidence, that those, who sell it, sell it "For Research Purposes Only". For now, the test over animals show no signs of toxicity. The usage on mice and rats shows some evidence of life extension, which is the reason so many people here wish to take it.

For the C70 toxicity, I found only one study at:: http://www.sciencedi...008622307001893 There was written "C60 and C70 elicited similar responses".

For the activated charcoal there are researches, that suppose, that is benefical both for the general health and for clearance of toxines in the food.

For the nanotubes it is a questionmark. I found one study at: http://informahealth...444.2010.506638 There is written "In conclusion, gaps in the data set in relation to both exposure and hazard do not allow any definite conclusions suitable for regulatory decision-making.", e.g. they can't say if the nanotubes are toxic or not.

For the amorphous soot if tooken through the mouth I know nothing. But someone may know something.