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[exigentsky]

For the past two days, I have added 310 mg of Alpha-GPC and have taken only a 1250 mg dose of Piracetam and all has been wonderful. Coming from my initial reaction to Piracetam, almost anything would seem like a positive step forward. However, I feel that with the extra Alpha-GPC I actually feel more intelligent, and alert than before ever starting the regimen.

Is this only the effect of Alpha-GPC or the synergistic effect of Piracetam and Alpha-GPC?

[REGIMEN]

From my experience with AlphaGPC and Aniracetam I would say that the effects you experienced were synergistic. I've taken both the choline and racetam separately and noticed that a proper dose of the former alone lends a controlled metering of cognitive machinations while the latter gives momentum/fluidity and rise to that "intellegent feeling" mentioned. Maybe the racy, quickening enacted by the racetams is really the feeling of choline drain and the senses heightening in reaction to an imminent chemical imbalance seen in the negative side effects of racetams taken without choline supplementation.

[riemann_zeta]

Keep in mind that, lack of LD50 notwithstanding, the dose-response curves for all of the N-substituted pyrrolidin-2-one compounds ("-racetams") are still quadratic. That is, these compounds do indeed have optimal theraputic doses--taking too high of a dose seems to defeat the purpose of taking the compound in the first place. I would recommend that you use 600-800mg BID, rather than 1250mg qD, as the half-life of piracetam is rather short.

[exigentsky]

Sorry to bring this threat back from the dead, but I think my previous negative experience with Piracetam may have been due to poor quality. (from the now defunct Smi2le) I recently tried Piracetam once more, this time from SmartNutrition and it definitely helps.

[xanadu]

Piracetam is great stuff.

[constantine]

I noticed the same thing when I first started taking Piracetam. I was EXTREMELY tired for about the first 2-3 weeks and after that went back to normal. Since then it's been like a dream come true. I'm only 20 and have noticed substantial increases in creativity as well as verbal fluency. I don't think I'd give it up if it quadrupled in price.

[kevink]

I was (or could have) slept most of the day when I first went on Pir. I was concerned until LM explained that was "normal' and it would pass.

[rfarris]

I got tired in the afternoon until I learned that PIR was making my brain use glucose like a dragster guzzles fuel. So I started having a small snack -- some nuts and an apple -- at 2:30PM, and the tiredness went away.

[exigentsky]

Is this anecdotal or is it scientifically confirmed that Piracetam increase glucose use in the brain?

[rfarris]

It's at least 90% as other claims here.

[reng]

I too am young (19) and I just started taking pir. I have not noticed any benefits of it so far. Also, being just before finals week [huh] I actually tend to find myself daydreaming more. previously I have had no problems with concentration and studying and get excelent grades. I just finished an attack dose of roughly 3 grams (seems like a lot of any supplement). I am also taking 1 or 2 caps of centrophenoxine (got for free from UN after I was sent this instead of the pir I ordered [lol] ). I also just ordered some APC choline, I had been meaning to order some type of choline support after reading about how necessary it is. Hopefully this will pass and I will realize that there is actually potential benefits of nootropics but for now I am dissatisfied to say the least.

just figured I would add my 2 cents on the topic

[athanatos]

What does Alpha GPC do? Will it help in the same way Piracetam does? If so will it give me better effects and will it cost more?

[canz]

I noticed dramatic results the first 3 weeks of piracetam, then it slowly faded, or as some say, my brain got used to functioning at a higher level. I am awaiting some aniracetam, as I have seen most have better results with it.

[athanatos]

So you just got used to the results? They didn't actually dissapear right? I mean if you were to stop taking them do you think you'd feel as if the results were fading away?

[xanadu]

Is there an echo in here?

I've been taking piracetam for several months and still notice the effects. They aren't as dramatic since I've gotten used to them but they are still there. It's like if you move up from a car with 100 horsepower to 150. At first you notice the extra pickup and power every time you take it out for a spin. After a while, you are used to it and have to think back to how it was before to notice any difference. Later, it seems like your car has always driven that way. The effects haven't gone away, you just take them for granted. Go back to not taking it and after a month or so you will be back to baseline and wondering why you are so foggy and slow. You just don't have the same spark you got used to.

[athanatos]

Alright good, I'm thinking I might try it out because everyone gives it so much praise. I'd like to experience these results myself. Btw, sorry about the double post before lol, I fixed it.