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[edie]

I ve recently joined as a new member and I ve also just started on my road to Nootropics I have bought Piracetam , Omega 3 fish oil, Acetyl L Canrniitine, Choline Bitartrate. I was wondering if anyone would give me some help with how to proceed taking then and how to best get the results in terms of dosage and dieting.

[Droplet]

You really should have put this in the "Introduce Yourself" bit but nevermind. Welcome. Where in the UK are you? I'm in Birmingham. Are you interested in life extension at all?

[YOLF]

L-Carnitine feeds a gut bacteria that produces trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO) which is a cause of heart disease. It's good for you, but not in the presence of the bacteria... Though the study on this one mentioned the L Carnitine form and you're taking the Acetylated form of it (ALCAR), the ALCAR shows up less in blood meaning more of it may be feeding the TMAO generating bacteria. It also uses more of your fatty acids for energy, so it may be wasting fish oil your supplement depending on what you're intent. You'd definitely get more people to respond if you posted in the intro forum and linked here... Can't help with the racetams. C60 looks promising for some though.

[edie]

You really should have put this in the "Introduce Yourself" bit but nevermind. Welcome. Where in the UK are you? I'm in Birmingham. Are you interested in life extension at all?

I am in Reading but for now and yes I am very interested after extensive research and reading I ve realised how useful and informative this subject as a whole can be in terms of moving forward with life and working towards what you want to archive and I apologise if I ve posted this on the wrong section of this site I suppose I just rushed in here and wrote my first post without thinking and thank you for the kindly welcome

L-Carnitine feeds a gut bacteria that produces trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO) which is a cause of heart disease. It's good for you, but not in the presence of the bacteria... Though the study on this one mentioned the L Carnitine form and you're taking the Acetylated form of it (ALCAR), the ALCAR shows up less in blood meaning more of it may be feeding the TMAO generating bacteria. It also uses more of your fatty acids for energy, so it may be wasting fish oil your supplement depending on what you're intent. You'd definitely get more people to respond if you posted in the intro forum and linked here... Can't help with the racetams. C60 looks promising for some though.

Thank you for the kindly reply I was wondering if you yourself had any experience with piracetam and if you would be able to recommend a beginners dosage with any other nootropic stacks to balance it off for maximum effect

[Mind]

Hi edie. Sorry, I don't have any nootropic suggestions for you. I just use coffee, green tea, and cocoa for energy and alertness.

[Cazorp]

for some reason I can not tolerate fish oil supplements....gives me trouble sleeping and no depression benefit at all

[edie]

for some reason I can not tolerate fish oil supplements....gives me trouble sleeping and no depression benefit at all

Interesting I have never heard of it doing that or being linked to depression but then again I am just starting on this long journey and have a lot to learn thank you very much for the impute I welcome any and every subjection and hope to continue in this conversation

Hi edie. Sorry, I don't have any nootropic suggestions for you. I just use coffee, green tea, and cocoa for energy and alertness.

Thank you too for the kind reply and I did not get a chance to thank you as well for the membership acceptance which I am finding very useful in helping me build a mind map to help me improve my memory and other things. I am curious though about one thing if you do not mind me asking why you not use nootropics as you have mentioned in reply to this post

[YOLF]

You really should have put this in the "Introduce Yourself" bit but nevermind. Welcome. Where in the UK are you? I'm in Birmingham. Are you interested in life extension at all?

I am in Reading but for now and yes I am very interested after extensive research and reading I ve realised how useful and informative this subject as a whole can be in terms of moving forward with life and working towards what you want to archive and I apologise if I ve posted this on the wrong section of this site I suppose I just rushed in here and wrote my first post without thinking and thank you for the kindly welcome

L-Carnitine feeds a gut bacteria that produces trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO) which is a cause of heart disease. It's good for you, but not in the presence of the bacteria... Though the study on this one mentioned the L Carnitine form and you're taking the Acetylated form of it (ALCAR), the ALCAR shows up less in blood meaning more of it may be feeding the TMAO generating bacteria. It also uses more of your fatty acids for energy, so it may be wasting fish oil your supplement depending on what you're intent. You'd definitely get more people to respond if you posted in the intro forum and linked here... Can't help with the racetams. C60 looks promising for some though.

Thank you for the kindly reply I was wondering if you yourself had any experience with piracetam and if you would be able to recommend a beginners dosage with any other nootropic stacks to balance it off for maximum effect

My experience with anything that isn't a conventional food based or naturually occuring substance in the human body is very limited. Initially my interest in these types of nootropics was blunted by people taking toxic substances such as methyline blue to benefit from a positive effect of the body mobilizing a response to the toxicity (sounds very dangerous/scary to me). I'm coming around on the idea of nootropics, but as a group of supplements there is alot of reading to be done on my part.

All I can say is that I tried DMAE and got headaches and Alpha GPC didn't give me any noticeable benefits.

[YOLF]

for some reason I can not tolerate fish oil supplements....gives me trouble sleeping and no depression benefit at all

What else are you taking? I got head aches from taking too much glutathione with FO. Minimized the glutathione intake and it worked fine. FO should be something you can adapt to naturally, I'd try the smallest dose possible and work your way up. I've never heard of a FO side effect before... Maybe try krill oil? KO is similar but not shown to have all the benefits. I'd also take either as early as possible.

Depression is also rarely if ever chemical... depending on the situation of your depression, it could be nutrition, but in most cases there are underlying things that can't be treated with any kind of pharma or supplement, though supplements may be useful for self improvement or combating nutritional or chemical deficits that result from the chemistry of negativity in one's life. Fight those things and it could help you get ahead some on the depression and some of it's factors. General health and welbeing are very good for mental health in that way. An malnurished body and thus brain can't work itself out of a predicament on it's own. I would work toward stellar, top of the line bloodwork before considering therapy or any kind psych med.

You can see alot about how I feel about depression and mental illness in this topic:
http://www.longecity...o-hard-to-beat/

Edited by cryonicsculture, 17 June 2013 - 03:06 AM.

[YOLF]

for some reason I can not tolerate fish oil supplements....gives me trouble sleeping and no depression benefit at all

Interesting I have never heard of it doing that or being linked to depression but then again I am just starting on this long journey and have a lot to learn thank you very much for the impute I welcome any and every subjection and hope to continue in this conversation

Hi edie. Sorry, I don't have any nootropic suggestions for you. I just use coffee, green tea, and cocoa for energy and alertness.

Thank you too for the kind reply and I did not get a chance to thank you as well for the membership acceptance which I am finding very useful in helping me build a mind map to help me improve my memory and other things. I am curious though about one thing if you do not mind me asking why you not use nootropics as you have mentioned in reply to this post

We're mostly life exentionists here, we're aiming for indefinite life spans and our knowledge on researching the subject has lead many of us (I'm making an assumption here) to have considerations that others don't when it comes to the safety of supplementation. That said, the knowledge that some of us have has lead to attracting alot of nootropic users who aren't really interested in their long term health.

IMO a good Endocrinoligist can improve your mental performance more than a Neurologist or Psychiatrist. It take a whole body to produce good nutritious food for the brain, and limitations there will interfere the effectiveness (and long term effectiveness even more so) of any supplement you take. With age comes a general cognitive decline and aging is a disease that we have from birth. Many of the things we do to fight aging comes with nootropic benefits. Looking good = feeling good = thinking good. The nootropic benefits we will have from living in bodies that don't age will improve our body chemistry such that the benefits will outweigh the benefits of most nootropic supplementation. I've found that I performed very well taking ptersilbene or just eating a hand full of blueberries (a fruit with alot of it) daily. It was enough to compete with the reports of most nootropic supplementation and is very healthy. I guess the benefits of being healthy haven't yet been exceded by the benefits of nootropics. At the time I discovered the pterosilbine's and wild blue berry extracts effects on cognition (was taking it to preserve youth) I was working in a quality controlled environment and knew every mistake I made out of thousands of things I did daily and got reports on it weekly and always asked for daily feedback. I would regularly exceed my performance expectations when taking the extract or eating the berries or otherwise be just in the neighborhood of meeting expectations with the exception of a few bad days which didn't occur at all with the blueberries/extracts. I had noticed the effects of something on my diet improving my performance long before I was able to determine it was blueberry related as I ate a home made fruit smoothie made from whatever came of the plant on I had left over from the store on a daily basis and I found that this and B1 and cinnamon could substantially improve mental performance, even more so than supplements that I had bought which were designed to do this...

I'd recommend doing the same, I don't think there are any side effects or ill health associated with it, but pay close attention to the chemistry of the supplements. Other forms may not work as well:

Wild Blue Berry Extract (specifically wild phenotype berries are said to be best but I got the same benefits from eating the larger grocer berries, but the smaller wild grown berries will give you a higher ratio of anthocyanins to fats and sugars.

or Pterosilbine

or just blueberries

Vitamin B1 (Thiamine HCl form only or maybe Sulbutiamine, some say that's even better)
a generic b complex (99% of the time will not contain any Thiamine HCl or even B1)
500mg of cinnamon (the real kind, I don't think they bother selling the pseudo cinnamon in the US, but in case you don't live here or they do...)
Cinnamon improves metabolism of sugars into energy, thiamine HCl (not mononitrate, body can absorb HCl in higher quantities) expands metabolic capacity (effect isn't like adding caffiene and lasts all day, don't take it before bed though as you'll lose sleep due to increased metabolism)

I'm not more than an occasional caffiene user these days, more reliable/natural energy from food and the above.

[RWhigham]

The worry about TMAO may be misguided

 

See this monograph by Chris Masterjohn

 http://www.westonapr...-heart-disease/