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[hallucinogen]

100% Whey Isolate WiTHOUT ANY Lecithin in it ??? Please Direct me to it, Years of Searching !

I'm looking for High-End Premium pure 100% Whey Isolate Protein, without ANY Additives in it, especially NONE of ANY Lecithin,

It DOES NOT MATTER How much it clumps or how well it mixes, it mixes just fine without it,
Even with below 1% they put in it, is WAY TOO MUCH OVERBOARD Lecithin consumption per day

Lecithin has very clear distinct effects on the body, I get more than enough from diet already, and Do Not need anymore at all

Please, somebody for Pete's sake tell there is a company that makes truly PURE Whey Isolates in the world, without Any of the garbage lecithin in it ???

Thank you in advance

[platypus]

This should be the "best" form on the market as it is "all-natural unrefined cold-pasteurized whey" made from the milk of (get this) "Amish grass-fed hormone-free cows" :D

http://www.wheynatur....com/index.html

[balance]

This should be the "best" form on the market as it is "all-natural unrefined cold-pasteurized whey" made from the milk of (get this) "Amish grass-fed hormone-free cows" :D

http://www.wheynatur....com/index.html

Seems identical to One World Whey and similar to ImmunoPro Rx. I've tried both and One World Whey tastes ridiculously sweet due to the stevia and/or vanilla bean, so you have been warned. Clearly ImmunoPro is the purest product.

Edited by piet3r, 28 August 2013 - 01:30 AM.

[balance]

Just noticed that Whey Natural USA also sells a natural version without the stevia and vanilla bean. That makes it good competition to Immunopro.

Edited by piet3r, 28 August 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[hallucinogen]

This is why I love this place so much !!!
I always meet the most enlightened beings here and receive the best and most valuable responses

Thank you so much already, now I have a few products to research more into,
the problem with Lecithin in Protein powders, is that almost every single one uses it to instantize their powders as emulsifier, and many do not even find it necessary to list it on the label at all because of its minute quantities present ! :/

So I will have to contact these manufacturers now to make it perfectly clear that there are no emulsifiers in the product

More suggestions are also always welcomed

[andrewmartinuk]

Like everyone else is saying.

The best form of whey, is from grass fed cows
But Even the highest quality grass fed whey isolate has Lecithin in...
I havent seen any whey isolate without Lecithin in..

Lecithin in trace amounts is not going to harm you...
Whey isolate may be unusable without Lecithin or it may go stale easily, remember they have to store your whey protein and then ship it to you, if it was 100% whey it might be unusable, i dont know im just guessing..

But Whats your main reason for avoiding Lecithin ???

Edited by andrewmartinuk, 30 August 2013 - 05:37 PM.

[hallucinogen]

Alright, Eurika !
I found and narrowed down in my Ultimate search now, here it is - http://www.wellwisdo...s/Vital-Whey®/

Perhaps I was too specific when I said I needed Isolates, I am certainly fine with a very high quality Whey Concentrate like this, it is by far superior, and this one has NO Lecithin or other emulsifiers in it, I checked with the manufacturer,
it also comes from New Zealand grass-fed cows !!! Amazing stuff, and because it is high-quality concentrate, it is one of the most undenatured forms of whey possible and it retains all the life-giving ingredients such as Immunoglobulins, Serum Albumin, and Lactoferrin, even the tine bit of cholesterol and good fat are most healthy

And it mixes just fine in a good shaker bottle !

If you have not realized yet why additional Lecithin is so bad for you, especially soy derived, is because it makes the veins and blood vessels so flexible that they cant support a NORMAL Blood Pressure anymore until it is out of your system, resulting much greater strain on circulatory system and the heart, mental fogginess and "spaced out" feeling, there is also some indication that it might thin out the blood
also in this situation, no proper nutrient exchange is taking place, and your recovery level is much lower than it should be
This is especially harmful, if you are Sitting down a lot during your days, which most of us are

It is also very possible that all this Lecithin is being added into supplement industry products on purpose(not simply for emulsification), and many brands tried to avoid listing it in the ingredients



Now all I need to find is Natural Whole-Food vitamins with absolutely minimal amounts of B12 and Vitamin E, without any other Herbs or Spices in it, algae is fine

Edited by hallucinogen, 01 September 2013 - 05:44 AM.

[blood]

Alright, Eurika !
I found and narrowed down in my Ultimate search now, here it is - http://www.wellwisdo...s/Vital-Whey®/

Thie natural/ un-flavored version of Vital Whey does taste rather delicious.

Edited by blood, 01 September 2013 - 08:39 AM.

[balance]

Alright, Eurika !
I found and narrowed down in my Ultimate search now, here it is - http://www.wellwisdo...s/Vital-Whey®/

Perhaps I was too specific when I said I needed Isolates, I am certainly fine with a very high quality Whey Concentrate like this, it is by far superior, and this one has NO Lecithin or other emulsifiers in it, I checked with the manufacturer,
it also comes from New Zealand grass-fed cows !!! Amazing stuff, and because it is high-quality concentrate, it is one of the most undenatured forms of whey possible and it retains all the life-giving ingredients such as Immunoglobulins, Serum Albumin, and Lactoferrin, even the tine bit of cholesterol and good fat are most healthy

And it mixes just fine in a good shaker bottle !

If you have not realized yet why additional Lecithin is so bad for you, especially soy derived, is because it makes the veins and blood vessels so flexible that they cant support a NORMAL Blood Pressure anymore until it is out of your system, resulting much greater strain on circulatory system and the heart, mental fogginess and "spaced out" feeling, there is also some indication that it might thin out the blood
also in this situation, no proper nutrient exchange is taking place, and your recovery level is much lower than it should be
This is especially harmful, if you are Sitting down a lot during your days, which most of us are

It is also very possible that all this Lecithin is being added into supplement industry products on purpose(not simply for emulsification), and many brands tried to avoid listing it in the ingredients



Now all I need to find is Natural Whole-Food vitamins with absolutely minimal amounts of B12 and Vitamin E, without any other Herbs or Spices in it, algae is fine

The one you point out is exactly the ImmunoPro I suggested, however it is their bigger size. They've renamed it but it's the exact same product. However, if you compare that product with the Whey Natural USA plain version, you'll find that supposedly the latter is even less denatured. I've been using Immunopro for a while now, no complaints, but I'm gonna try the Whey Natural USA plain one as I'm currently on their Vanilla version (which tastes too sweet in my opinion).

[Zippy123]

Have you looked into Immunocal? It's made by Immunotec. I would be curious to know your thoughts - especially on the Lecithn int he product as I do not believe it has any but I am not entirely sure.

[hallucinogen]

The one you point out is exactly the ImmunoPro I suggested, however it is their bigger size. They've renamed it but it's the exact same product. However, if you compare that product with the Whey Natural USA plain version, you'll find that supposedly the latter is even less denatured. I've been using Immunopro for a while now, no complaints, but I'm gonna try the Whey Natural USA plain one as I'm currently on their Vanilla version (which tastes too sweet in my opinion).

That is exactly why I researched and chose Vital Whey, thank you very much for suggestions, they use only grass-fed, natural whey from Cows in New Zealand,

I also Checked out Whey Natural USA, and everything on their site and about their products screams "STAY AWAY",
I don't believe you will get ANY BETTER Whey protein than Vital Whey in the world right now,

I would also not trust ANY Whey that comes from USA, and theirs is not even organic or grass-fed ! Do you know how much stuff they are spraying everywhere now in USA ? it all absorbs into the soil, the plants, and falls down from the sky in the air...

Plus, I can bet you that those cows are fed grain and injected with hormones and antibiotics,
their site is pure Marketing

stick with NZ concentrates, there are also other companies i'm sure that can relay this same stuff straight from manufacturer for us

Edited by hallucinogen, 05 September 2013 - 02:10 AM.

[balance]

The one you point out is exactly the ImmunoPro I suggested, however it is their bigger size. They've renamed it but it's the exact same product. However, if you compare that product with the Whey Natural USA plain version, you'll find that supposedly the latter is even less denatured. I've been using Immunopro for a while now, no complaints, but I'm gonna try the Whey Natural USA plain one as I'm currently on their Vanilla version (which tastes too sweet in my opinion).

That is exactly why I researched and chose Vital Whey, thank you very much for suggestions, they use only grass-fed, natural whey from Cows in New Zealand,

I also Checked out Whey Natural USA, and everything on their site and about their products screams "STAY AWAY",
I don't believe you will get ANY BETTER Whey protein than Vital Whey in the world right now,

I would also not trust ANY Whey that comes from USA, and theirs is not even organic or grass-fed ! Do you know how much stuff they are spraying everywhere now in USA ? it all absorbs into the soil, the plants, and falls down from the sky in the air...

Plus, I can bet you that those cows are fed grain and injected with hormones and antibiotics,
their site is pure Marketing

stick with NZ concentrates, there are also other companies i'm sure that can relay this same stuff straight from manufacturer for us

What about One World Whey?

[hallucinogen]

My Vital Whey concentrate has arrived yesterday, and I could finally properly test it.....

Unfortunately, the powder Does indeed look very instantized and forms the THiCKEST semi-permanent FOAM that i have EVER encounter in ANY Protein powder I have used in the past !...
even with addition of absolutely minimal water (barely none) and barely any mixing, it goes straight right to FOAM !!!..........*(RED FLAG - TONNS of an Emulsifier present !)

and Powder does not clamp at all, it dissolves instantly as it touches water.......and Boom all Foam, barely any liquid at all on the bottom, this is by far the most Extreme of reactions on the farthest side of emulsifier scale......

We have tested and researched All kinds of protein isolate and concentrate powders for over 10 years now, and this is one of a kind physical reaction in its own category

I even compared it side by side with a True un-instantized, no emulsifier organic concentrate(ironically from the same country, NZ) and the difference is Vast

Before ordering a large amount, i have contacted "Wisdom Proteins" directly and someone named "Larry Sisco" with a title of "General Manager" has personally assured me that there is no Lecithin or any other emulsifier in it...

Well, those bastards !!!
He either had no real clue what he was talking about, or straight out lied and mislead me......

I am trying to clear this up with them as we speak before sending a sample for proper lab-testing

We all need a crash-course and how to determine whether a powder has any emulsifier in it or not here
I should write a Guide up and post it, it is very obvious once you know what to look for and how it feels, and if you are taking a powder with a bunch of lecithin in it every day, then you are basically spending time on Earth in a semi-zombie state

I do know of a real Organic Whey Concentrate (All year-round grass-fed, no hormones) now that is sincerely as pure and un-denatured as it gets though
(PM me if you need to find out what it is)

Edited by hallucinogen, 10 September 2013 - 11:49 AM.

[hallucinogen]

What about One World Whey?

http://www.oneworldwheyprotein.com .......


Have you seen their site m8 ???

Have you read their disclaimer ? Which basically states that None of their statements have been evaluated by ANYONE and that everything they say might be complete BS...
I can whip up a site like that in 1 day also... what a simple template, they did not even put Any time or effort into it !

And also, they never state and list EVEN their ingredient list properly, nor even provide their CONTACT info !!!

Everything about it says it's a Scam, and even if they have a semi-decent product, it is more than likely contaminated with something and we will be much better off going with a real business.

[trance]

My Vital Whey concentrate has arrived yesterday, and I could finally properly test it.....

Unfortunately, the powder Does indeed look very instantized and forms the THiCKEST semi-permanent FOAM that i have EVER encounter in ANY Protein powder I have used in the past !...
even with addition of absolutely minimal water (barely none) and barely any mixing, it goes straight right to FOAM !!!..........*(RED FLAG - TONNS of an Emulsifier present !)

and Powder does not clamp at all, it dissolves instantly as it touches water.......and Boom all Foam, barely any liquid at all on the bottom, this is by far the most Extreme of reactions on the farthest side of emulsifier scale......

Odd ... I just bought this very same product (natural, no flavored version) and received it yesterday.

http://www.iherb.com...s-1-13-kg/44793

Here's two large scoops mixed in my cold coffee (shaken only with the mixer spring ball container) this morning, and not a hint of foam:

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[balance]

My Vital Whey concentrate has arrived yesterday, and I could finally properly test it.....

Unfortunately, the powder Does indeed look very instantized and forms the THiCKEST semi-permanent FOAM that i have EVER encounter in ANY Protein powder I have used in the past !...
even with addition of absolutely minimal water (barely none) and barely any mixing, it goes straight right to FOAM !!!..........*(RED FLAG - TONNS of an Emulsifier present !)

and Powder does not clamp at all, it dissolves instantly as it touches water.......and Boom all Foam, barely any liquid at all on the bottom, this is by far the most Extreme of reactions on the farthest side of emulsifier scale......

We have tested and researched All kinds of protein isolate and concentrate powders for over 10 years now, and this is one of a kind physical reaction in its own category

I even compared it side by side with a True un-instantized, no emulsifier organic concentrate(ironically from the same country, NZ) and the difference is Vast

Before ordering a large amount, i have contacted "Wisdom Proteins" directly and someone named "Larry Sisco" with a title of "General Manager" has personally assured me that there is no Lecithin or any other emulsifier in it...

Well, those bastards !!!
He either had no real clue what he was talking about, or straight out lied and mislead me......

I am trying to clear this up with them as we speak before sending a sample for proper lab-testing

We all need a crash-course and how to determine whether a powder has any emulsifier in it or not here
I should write a Guide up and post it, it is very obvious once you know what to look for and how it feels, and if you are taking a powder with a bunch of lecithin in it every day, then you are basically spending time on Earth in a semi-zombie state

I do know of a real Organic Whey Concentrate (All year-round grass-fed, no hormones) now that is sincerely as pure and un-denatured as it gets though
(PM me if you need to find out what it is)

I have tried ImmunoPro PX which is supposed to be the exact same product in a different size. I was surprised how well it mixed actually. I always take it with cold water only. It's taste reminded me very much of Life Extension's whey protein isolate natural flavored that I used to take a few years back, aka, nasty but doable.

[hallucinogen]

I just mixed another scoop with cold water, in a simple shaker, I do not have a steel ball in it or anything, i only shook it 10-20 times...
and then let it stand for 5 whole Minutes for the foam to subside !

product: Vital Whey®: Natural 2.5 lb. Bulk Bag
by wellwisdom.com

Here is what resulted :
notice how THiCK the foam is...you can place a dollar on it and it will stay there :o
thicker than any beer, i think this company is so full of BS

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Edited by hallucinogen, 11 September 2013 - 12:51 PM.

[blood]

I don't see the problem. What exactly is a bit of foam supposed to indicate?

[Andrey_81]

Maybe this products:
Natural Factors

Ok, this one is concentrate: Source Naturals

[Virtual Reality]

http://www.bodyenfit...hey-perfection/
Looked ont he back of the protein box, didnt state any lecithin, this is the best one tbh , tastes so good

[hallucinogen]

http://www.bodyenfit...hey-perfection/
Looked ont he back of the protein box, didnt state any lecithin, this is the best one tbh , tastes so good

to previous poster, "if you have any experience at all in mixing a single scoop of protein in your shaker bottle, slightly, that is not a bit of foam, that is an immense amount of foam, and lecithin is emulsifier which results in foam, usual amount of foam is about 10 times less than that"

Is there an English version of that site ?

Buying anything from a site that does not even list all ingredients properly is just asking for trouble...


I have Big issues with Whey Concentrates, I decided to go 100% Whey Isolates route again, i tried Concentrates many times and you just get way more digestive and inflammatory problems with it...

So far, the ONLY pure and clean Whey Isolates that I have found, that Straight-forward and CLEARLY State that they do Not contain any Soy(big thumbs up already) and they do not even list Lecithin in their ingredients !!! ( As good as it gets, right ? )

We are in the process of sending both of their Whey Isolates sample for proper lab testing though, I will also be trying each of their Isolates personally, the one that comes from USA(Wasconsin or w/e) and the one that comes from NZ(this one has a Very wacky protein profile though, with Lysine and Aspartic Acid scoring much lower, whereas Glutamic Acid scoring much higher than usually...) not sure what's up with that

Here is the supposedly Cleanest, Purest, and most Solid Whey Isolates on the market right now... http://www.proteinco...protein-powder/

And if anyone "dirties" it, we are coming after you *evil-face*

Enjoy mates !

Edited by hallucinogen, 14 September 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[APBT]

Here's two large scoops mixed in my cold coffee (shaken only with the mixer spring ball container) this morning, and not a hint of foam:

According to the Well Wisdom site, "Liquids that are not neutral in their pH can denature the proteins, so avoid mixing with fruit juices, coffee, and tea."
http://www.wellwisdo...Suggestions.pdf

[APBT]

What about One World Whey?

http://www.oneworldwheyprotein.com .......


Have you seen their site m8 ???

Have you read their disclaimer ? Which basically states that None of their statements have been evaluated by ANYONE and that everything they say might be complete BS...
I can whip up a site like that in 1 day also... what a simple template, they did not even put Any time or effort into it !

And also, they never state and list EVEN their ingredient list properly, nor even provide their CONTACT info !!!

Everything about it says it's a Scam, and even if they have a semi-decent product, it is more than likely contaminated with something and we will be much better off going with a real business.

The site that was linked above is someone's blog. Here's a link to the actual seller of One World Whey. http://www.sgn80.com/one-world-whey

[APBT]

My Vital Whey concentrate has arrived yesterday, and I could finally properly test it.....

Unfortunately, the powder Does indeed look very instantized and forms the THiCKEST semi-permanent FOAM that i have EVER encounter in ANY Protein powder I have used in the past !...
even with addition of absolutely minimal water (barely none) and barely any mixing, it goes straight right to FOAM !!!..........*(RED FLAG - TONNS of an Emulsifier present !)

and Powder does not clamp at all, it dissolves instantly as it touches water.......and Boom all Foam, barely any liquid at all on the bottom, this is by far the most Extreme of reactions on the farthest side of emulsifier scale......

We have tested and researched All kinds of protein isolate and concentrate powders for over 10 years now, and this is one of a kind physical reaction in its own category

I even compared it side by side with a True un-instantized, no emulsifier organic concentrate(ironically from the same country, NZ) and the difference is Vast

Before ordering a large amount, i have contacted "Wisdom Proteins" directly and someone named "Larry Sisco" with a title of "General Manager" has personally assured me that there is no Lecithin or any other emulsifier in it...

Well, those bastards !!!
He either had no real clue what he was talking about, or straight out lied and mislead me......

I am trying to clear this up with them as we speak before sending a sample for proper lab-testing

We all need a crash-course and how to determine whether a powder has any emulsifier in it or not here
I should write a Guide up and post it, it is very obvious once you know what to look for and how it feels, and if you are taking a powder with a bunch of lecithin in it every day, then you are basically spending time on Earth in a semi-zombie state

I do know of a real Organic Whey Concentrate (All year-round grass-fed, no hormones) now that is sincerely as pure and un-denatured as it gets though
(PM me if you need to find out what it is)

What were the results of your follow-up with Well Wisdom? Did you have a sample lab tested?

[niner]

Here's two large scoops mixed in my cold coffee (shaken only with the mixer spring ball container) this morning, and not a hint of foam:

According to the Well Wisdom site, "Liquids that are not neutral in their pH can denature the proteins, so avoid mixing with fruit juices, coffee, and tea."
http://www.wellwisdo...Suggestions.pdf

The stomach is acidic. Whey is certainly going to denature there. It will also get snipped into short peptides by various proteases. That's how we digest protein foods.

[balance]

They vehemently make the case that whey concentrate is easier to digest than isolate due to all the various growth factors and immune factors still present. However, wouldn't one who is say, sensitive/allergic to casein and whey have an easier time digesting 100% hydrolized whey isolate, as it has been cut into the tiniest fractions possible?

[hallucinogen]

Pure 100% Whey Isolates have always been the way to go in countless years of my experience, micro cold-filtration, I got 2 different kinds coming in that are supposed to be absolutely pure Isolates without any additives at all, them, I will report back with results

Concentrates only cause problems in the end

[trance]

I'd be interested in your results. Would you include photos and lot numbers of each of your test products, please? Thanks!

[hallucinogen]

What were the results of your follow-up with Well Wisdom? Did you have a sample lab tested?


the Result of my follow-up with Well Wisdom is that they are FULL of BS, and that whoever told me there were no additives in it did not actually know that or had real information on hand,

The Results of the tests have confirmed Lecithin content in their product in the range of 1% or MORE

What I can't believe is that is that I still get ripped off on these "supplements", it never ends.



GOOD NEWS is that I found 100% Whey Protein Isolates from NZ which are completely pure, no additives at all in any amounts

PM if you need source

[balance]

What were the results of your follow-up with Well Wisdom? Did you have a sample lab tested?


the Result of my follow-up with Well Wisdom is that they are FULL of BS, and that whoever told me there were no additives in it did not actually know that or had real information on hand,

The Results of the tests have confirmed Lecithin content in their product in the range of 1% or MORE

What I can't believe is that is that I still get ripped off on these "supplements", it never ends.



GOOD NEWS is that I found 100% Whey Protein Isolates from NZ which are completely pure, no additives at all in any amounts

PM if you need source

Why do we need to PM for the source? And do these 'tests' include more than you mixing them with water and see how well they mix?