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[dunbar]

I have been having this stuff at home now for many weeks and I just don't dare to start taking it.
It's as always. I simply do not dare taking antidepressants. Often times I get them prescribed and then don't dare taking them,

I read the inserts of the manufacturer and tianeptine has many side effects listed under "frequent" which are concerning. Things like:
Nightmares,trouble breathing,visual disorders,fainting,heart rhythm disorders.

These side effects scare me.

What also sucks is that it says you must not drink any alcohol when on tianeptine. Is this really so strict? But what if I want to drink a beer or some wine?
I don't know if I can totally cut out all alcohol.

Another downside of tianeptine is having to take it 3 times per day. I am already taking thyroid hormones in the morning which is already annoying.
I also don't sleep or get up at the same time every day. This means I couldn't take tianeptine on the same times every day.
3 pills per day is really problematic for me.

And then I also worry what if tianeptine makes me worse?
I'm at a point now where I am even too anxious to take antidepressants cause I worry that they could make me worse.
I always worry what if I go on an antidepressant and then end up worse than before? This is already what kept me from taking effexor. I just didn't
dare to cause of the withdrawal issues which many people have.

[Skypp]

Tianepine is a very safe drug with so few side effects that many people use it as a "smart drug" because it enhances cognition and concentration. Start with one, you may feel nothing. There is no withdrawal from it either. I use it sometimes for increased concentration, but never "need" in the physiological sense. Good luck.

[Sciencyst]

Tianeptine is the drug that dumbasses in Russia were frequently injecting that resulted in absolutely ridiculous necrosis/skin falling off, etc. To be fair, this was caused by a silicone-based binder in the pills that coroded the skin (the manufacturer created an injection-friendly version later), but still the mere association has seriously put me off from Tianeptine. Not to mention it absolutely is addictive. I've read several experiences on other forums of people who began using it for its short lived "high" and eventually ended up having to take hundreds of pills of it every day, and when they ran out they experienced severe heroin-like withdrawal symtpoms.

It seriously frustrates me that it is being touted as so safe.. I wonder if the disinformation isn't spread by the ones who profit the most off of it.. sick bastards.

Tianeptine has not been proven by any means to be safe for chronic use!!!!!!

Edited by katuskoti, 16 December 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[dunbar]

Now I'm confused. If this isn't safe then why does it exist as antidepressant?
Do antidepressants not have to be tested for long term safety?

But what also worries me is the side effects profile. It has a lot of side effects listed under "frequent". It doesn't have any super scary side effects like death
but the side effects under frequent are still scary like fainting,breathing problems,heart rhythm disorders and so on.
If it's so safe why does it have so many frequent side effects?

[Ark]

Tianeptine is the drug that dumbasses in Russia were frequently injecting that resulted in absolutely ridiculous necrosis/skin falling off, etc. To be fair, this was caused by a silicone-based binder in the pills that coroded the skin (the manufacturer created an injection-friendly version later), but still the mere association has seriously put me off from Tianeptine. Not to mention it absolutely is addictive. I've read several experiences on other forums of people who began using it for its short lived "high" and eventually ended up having to take hundreds of pills of it every day, and when they ran out they experienced severe heroin-like withdrawal symtpoms.

It seriously frustrates me that it is being touted as so safe.. I wonder if the disinformation isn't spread by the ones who profit the most off of it.. sick bastards.

Tianeptine has not been proven by any means to be safe for chronic use!!!!!!

Umm, wtf

[dunbar]

I'm scared now.
What if I take this and then I feel high? Would this be a red flag?

I also read that some people say that it made them full dumb. This is confusing. Some say it's a smart drug others say it made them dumber.

[Tom_]

Tianeptine is as safe as any other antidepressant (safer than most). There is no evidence for increased risk of cardiovascular disorders and is certainly a good choice if a patient is depressed and has a heart condition.

The most likely side effects you will face are slight dizziness (which will disappear with time and of course not be dizzy) and you worrying about getting side effects. Other side effects may appear transiently and some may persist, if they do simply discontinue the drug and wait a week for them to go (with Tianeptine due to a short half life likely a lot less time than that).

There are medium term safety studies and people have been maintained on it for years safely.

Tianeptines half life is very short which requires its dosed three times a day. It doesn't matter if its dosed exactly at the same time and its best avoided at two or so hours before bed. I can't for the life of me see how taking one tiny pill thrice daily is a problem in and of itself - although I can understand if you are anxious about how that could be more problematic.

I suspect you would be better served taking Pregabalin (due to instant effects) but provided you take the Tianeptine response rates are high and it should give you some benefits within a few weeks.

Tianeptine is more likely (much much much more likely) to make you better than it is worse - almost to the exclusion of making you worse.

[dunbar]

Hello,
what I worry about is lasting negative effects. I mean I often read about people being on ADs and then stopping them but they still felt impaired in some way.
I cannot afford going on an AD and then getting messed up.
And what's also scary is that some people wrote that tianeptine made their anxiety worse or dumbed them down. Both things I don't need.

Another thing which worries me is alcohol. The leaflet says no alcohol during the whole time when you're on tianeptine. But I am used to alcohol before bed. Without alc I lie in bed
and have a hard time falling alseep.

I also have changing sleeping patterns. Some days I may sleep very long and be awake only a few hours. Then do I still have to manage to take 3 pills during the wake hours or
would I simply only take 1 pill or 2 pills depending on how long I am awake?

[Godof Smallthings]

Without alc I lie in bed
and have a hard time falling alseep.

Try melatonin. It makes you naturally drowsy and acts as an antioxidant, without the dulling side effects of alcohol.

[dunbar]

Can't get my hands on melatonin. It's forbidden in most european countries. :(

[machete234]

Its not forbidden on ebay, just saying.

I also have changing sleeping patterns. Some days I may sleep very long and be awake only a few hours. Then do I still have to manage to take 3 pills during the wake hours or
would I simply only take 1 pill or 2 pills depending on how long I am awake?

I guess you dont have to take them while being asleep

Edited by machete234, 18 December 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[dunbar]

Ordering melatonin from the USA via ebay won't help cause then the customs cash it in.

But if you sleep most of the day and then don't take your tianeptine then the blood level will drop and when you wake up you could be totally depressed, right? That's scary.

[Ark]

IF YOU HATE YOUR TIANEPTINE JUST SELL IT TO ME :-p

[dunbar]

Is it that good that you'd pay for it? I get it on prescription.
Anyway, I can't do that. Not legal.

[8bitmore]

Can't get my hands on melatonin. It's forbidden in most european countries. :(

Your assertion seem a bit draconian to me - I'm in EU country where Melatonin is certainly completely legal. I doubt many border agencies (even the Scandinavian ones which seem to have too much time on their hands..) bother checking all packages for xyz-odd-vitamins; especially if they are intra-EU.

Edited by 8bitmore, 18 December 2013 - 11:45 AM.

[dunbar]

Where do you live? In the UK melatonin is also not allowed and cannot be ordered.

Ordering from within the EU is ok, but ordering from the US is very risky. They will check the packages most likely and if there's melatonin in it then you won't get it.

[8bitmore]

Where do you live? In the UK melatonin is also not allowed and cannot be ordered.

Ordering from within the EU is ok, but ordering from the US is very risky. They will check the packages most likely and if there's melatonin in it then you won't get it.

Although ordering from iherb for years to the UK I've never had a package opened so far; stay underneath the VAT import limit of £15 and the customs are likely to be on to prey on larger customers than you.

[BlueCloud]

Can't get my hands on melatonin. It's forbidden in most european countries. :(

It's sold OTC in France...

[dunbar]

@bluecloud

Are there any reliable french online supplement stores which ship to european countries? Something like iherb only in France?

@8bitmore

Maybe this would work when you stay below the VAT but what happens if you get caught ordering melatonin? Would this be illegal and have consequences?

I also wonder are packages which leave the US actually radiated? If they search the packages with x-rays for bombs or weapons then wouldn't this be bad for the supplements?

[fntms]

I've taking it 3x or 2x per day for many years (6 or 7?) and have no side effects to report. And obviously good results on anxiety and general mental well being. The only downside I see is it can make you too laid back!
It helps you sleep but it's indeed better to take it 2 or 3 hours before bedtime, as it can cause some nightmares.
I don't drink much at all (alcohol distrubs my sleep and I generally don't like the effects), but a drink should be ok with tianpetine, as it doesn't act on liver enzymes to my knowledge.

[BlueCloud]

@bluecloud

Are there any reliable french online supplement stores which ship to european countries? Something like iherb only in France?

I've used " supersmart.com " in the past. A bit too expensive at times but a good supplier and an interesting selection of supplements. French company, but they ship from somewhere in Luxembourg I believe.
You could also try " biovea.com/uk " , I believe it's a european store, don't know where they're located exactly..

[machete234]

Where do you live? In the UK melatonin is also not allowed and cannot be ordered.

Strange, my ebay melatonin comes from the UK

[dunbar]

@ machete

Can you tell me the name of the ebay seller?

@ bluecloud

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check them out.

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As for tianeptine.
I started yesterday. I can definitely say I don't feel any instant effects which is disappointing.

I also read that tianeptine availability is reduced when taken with food which is really an issue cause taking it on an empty stomach 3 times per day is hardly possible!

Supposedly in the book Antidepressants: Past, Present, and Future it's supposed to say on page 305 that taking it with food reduces availability. I tried to look it up but EXACTLY page 305 cannot be accessed on google books! ARGH!

Edited by dunbar, 22 December 2013 - 05:35 PM.

[machete234]

@ machete

Can you tell me the name of the ebay seller?

I ordered that more than once, the link is still purple.
If 1mg is ideal for you I dont know but generally lower is better when you need to get up in the morning.

http://www.ebay.de/i...=item4d0ad98e55

[Skypp]

Without alc I lie in bed
and have a hard time falling alseep.

Try melatonin. It makes you naturally drowsy and acts as an antioxidant, without the dulling side effects of alcohol.

I take very small amounts of Stablon with no ill effects. Sometimes I run out because I live in the USA and have to order it from overseas... I have no "withdrawal" or craving or anxiety. It just helps me concentrate while working long hours. Never needed to take more than one a day, ever. That being said, I recently started drinking a very diluted Methylene Blue solution. At rather low levels, (2 drops per 1.5 liters) one six ounce glass just before sleep, has helped me have the best deep, restorative sleeps in ages. Alcohol before sleep inhibits the rapid eye movement and thus hurts the restorative/psychic portions of the cycle. Melatonin can be sent from eBay and Amazon. If you can learn even a little yogic breathing or Vipassana meditation, your sleep will benefit enormously. Again, hope you are helped by some of this. Best Wishes.

[dunbar]

@ machete234

Are you sure that this seller sells original supps? The puritan's pride stuff is pretty cheap which makes me suspicious.

@ skypp

I have been taking stablon for 3 days now. I do not feel better at all. No better focus or anything else. I only feel tired and weak somehow. This is very discouraging.
Why doesn't this stuff have the same positive effects for me?

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I also worry if tianeptine doesn't work then what happens if you go from tianeptine as a SSRE back to a SSRI? Could this cause a serotonine syndrome?
I imagine if you take tianeptine and it enhances serotonine uptake then the receptors probably become more sensitive to serotonine cause there's less serotonine
left. But then what if you have to go back to a regular antidepressant which blocks serotonine reuptake and then you end up with more serotonine + very sensitive receptors? This sounds dangerous to me. Who knows what this could cause.

Edited by dunbar, 23 December 2013 - 12:51 PM.