Help for iboga induced dissociation/brain...
Missjess
03 Feb 2014
I am looking for some advice on what I should do to improve or reverse the damage I done by using iboga...about 7 months ago I took a full flood dose of iboga TA from ibogaworld. Long story short the dose was too high for me and I ended up in hospital for 3 days almost. The entire trip lasted 40 horrible hours and in that time I felt my brain enduring torment, and I felt extreme dissociative effects during the experience. I was trying to cure my depersonalization disorder. Fast forward 7 months, I now have a permanant blank mind, I am even more dissociated, I have zero social interest, zero motivation, I cannot plan or initiate anything, my brain feels completely empty to the point where I feel as tho I have no mind. When I move my arms around they just feel even more dissociated from me and everything has a general feeling of floatiness and spaceyness. I tried to work but I couldn't because I was way to spacey and I was very slow and couldn't process information quick enough etc.
Is there anything I can do or take that might attempt to reverse this awful drug induced dissociation? I don't know if it has completely fuked up my entire brain chemistry but it certainly feels that way. I have a trip coming up to go and see john of god in Brazil for 3 months at the end of this month to try and fix this. Does anyone know much about iboga and what receptors it works on etc?
Thank u!!!!
8bitmore
04 Feb 2014
Missjess
04 Feb 2014
Jbac
05 Feb 2014
The effect should last a week or two at most (until the ibogaine metabolizes or clears the brain), so a permanent blank mind is unprecedented. At this point it's probably an issue of downregulation or some bizarre NMDA interference.
NMDA agonists like D-serine and D-cycloserine, along with positive NMDA modulators like glycine, alpha lipoic acid, and NAC might be worth a try, as well as Modafinil and Adderall.
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
Jbac
05 Feb 2014
Thanks !! Well I've had the blank mind for almost 2 months now and it doesn't appear to be changing, I will look into these products! Only thing is I don't know how much to take? It does sound like down regulation of some sort I hope it can be fixed! Do u think it's worth trying a kappa antagonist aswel??
I might be wrong about the blank mind lasting only 2 weeks because my reaction to iboga was not typical, it cleared my system unusually fast.
The metabolite noribogaine supposedly stays in the brain for several months and studies have not yet determined whether it has significant NMDA antagonist activity. If it does, then it's possible the residual noribogaine is causing your blank mind and it will go away within a couple more months.
If it's true that you still have a potent NMDA antagonist in your brain, no medicine will help until it leaves the brain.
I wouldn't bet on any of the supplements I suggested working like magic, and I don't know about dosing. I usually look up the 'recommended' dose and double or triple it, and take it for a couple weeks to see if it does anything.
I recommend asking around for information on NMDA pharmacology and how to fix NMDA-glutamate-nicotine issues (the three are somehow related), because I'm not an expert on pharmacology and the supplements I recommend might be useless. Drugs-forum.com is a good place to ask. I have no idea if jdtic will help but it sounds like a good drug.
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
I think I will wait to see if john of god can help me at the end of this month before I try to play psychiatrist with my own brain.
Jbac
05 Feb 2014
-A strange ringing/buzzing noise coming from inside your head, you can only hear it when the room is silent.
-Extremely stabilized mood, any emotions quickly return to baseline
-Extreme feelings of empathy for people even when not appropriate (e.g. Sympathy for the devil)
-No chatter in the head, no daydreaming, difficult to visualize anything or engage in thought, strain to recall memories (these are all what I call 'blank mind')
-(not sure if this one is NMDA antagonism or one of iboga's serotonergic effects) Music seems to play faster than normal
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
My mood is extremely stabalized yes, always at baseline...I have no emotions coz I'm dissociated
I am extremely irritable and can get pissed off easily, I don't rlly have much empathy i think coz I am dissociated aswel
Yup I don't have chatter in my head, no day dreaming, cannot think basically nor can I process information as quickly as I should, I tried to work at a dp fast food place I was incredibly slow and my mind was way to blank to process shit quick enough, I felt more of a disconnect from my body then usual
Music sounds the same for me I think, I feel disconnected from my thought processes, like they are just not there
My mind feels empty
Jbac
05 Feb 2014
Dissociation and blank mind have different causes probably. It would make sense if your dissociation came from iboga's kappa agonism and blank mind from the NMDA antagonism. So I can see why you're interested in jdtic; if you still have a kappa agonist lingering in your brain (noribogaine?) then jdtic might quickly put an end to the dissociation. But maybe not the blank mind.
7 months is a ridiculously long time, but considering that you're still suffering from typical ibogaine/noribogaine symptoms, it sounds like the iboga still hasn't cleared your system.
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
I'm so worried that I cannot fix this blank mind problem it's rlly pissing me off, oh not to mention I feel major anhedonia did u have that too ?
Jbac
05 Feb 2014
There are plenty of stories of hallucinogens causing HPPD, DP, DR, insanity etc. But the blank mind (assuming we're talking about the same thing) doesn't sound like something that can be permanent, biologically speaking. If it is, it would be a very unique case.
tritium
05 Feb 2014
tritium
05 Feb 2014
Jbac
05 Feb 2014
If buprenorphin worked then JDTic would work too.
http://www.longecity...-bulkgroup-buy/
tritium
05 Feb 2014
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
It's not therapeutic at all to be like this.
Yes I think u shud try jdtic that's what I am going to do, I'm waiting to get some and actually my friend has managed to obtain some he is moving over in a week or so and I will try some. It's a selective kappa opoid receptor antagonist
tritium
05 Feb 2014
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
protoject
05 Feb 2014
NMDA agonists like D-serine and D-cycloserine, along with positive NMDA modulators like glycine, alpha lipoic acid, and NAC might be worth a try, as well as Modafinil and Adderall.
I agree with the possibility Jbac mentioned except my recommendation for supplements would be D-Serine and Sarcosine. Personally I think the other recommendations would make it worse (except NAC which I see basically as harmless)... based on my subjective experience only. (glycine might be okay actually but not a lot of it) (and d-cycloserine is an interest but I cant comment on that)
Edited by protoject, 05 February 2014 - 06:38 PM.
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
I actually just purchased these products:
NAC
Glycine
Piracetam
I found that info from this thread: http://www.longecity...019#entry641019 (just look at bottom of post)
Would u suggest those products all will they not be good for me? I think I shud have researched into this further..
tritium
05 Feb 2014
Yeah man. I took about 800mg hcl to cure my adderall addiction. I had trouble walking for about a week (felt like the part of my brain responsible for balance was damaged) and had this strange buzzing noise in my ears for 4 months. It's actually about 14 months now and my thought seems to be slower and I tend to stare off into space thinking about nothing a lot of times! My motivation and future goal oriented behaviors are fried. It's really annoying since I've been trying to get a job for the past 6 months after graduating, but nobody will hire! I also ordered some glycine.Oh shit rlly!!?? How much did u take? Was it a full flood dose? How long have u had the blank mind for the whole 12 months? It's completely fuked up isn't it!! Are there any other problems that u have gotten from iboga use?
Edited by tritium, 05 February 2014 - 06:59 PM.
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
Sux u have a buzzing noise in ur ears! I don't have that! But I can relate to that spacey feeling, it's 24/7 to me and feels like my head is a one consciousness with everything around me and it feels fuking empty like I have no mind whatsoever...
Why won't anyone hire u? Do they know ur having these problems?
tritium
05 Feb 2014
The buzzing noise went away after about 4 months.
I think most people want to hire someone who can think and speak very fast. I think it's best to not tell them about these problems, since they will certaintly discriminate. Hopefully the smart people in these forums can lead us to find a helpful solution!
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
Yes let's pray that the smart ppl on this forum can help us! And we can get out brain chemistry fixed and out of this state..
Do u sometimes feel pressure building up in ur head? I've been feeling that a lot lately, it's like something is being produced too much and it's taking over or something I dunno
If u ever want to skype just send me a message here and I'll give u my skype details and we can have a chat about iboga
lammas2
05 Feb 2014
http://eboka.info/index.phpOh shit ....I think there needs to be an iboga forum where ppl can share there experiences etc, not many ppl are aware of the potential dangers of iboga and what can go wrong...
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
tritium
05 Feb 2014
Do u sometimes feel pressure building up in ur head? I've been feeling that a lot lately, it's like something is being produced too much and it's taking over or something I dunno
I haven't felt the pressure thing, but I seem to have a lot of the other feelings you describe in the original post. I think people need to realize that it was taken therapeutically to cure an addiction for me. It was researched as much as possible with the information available and not taken recreationally just for fun. It’s kind of irritating when people tell me that it is the dissociation which is therapeutic and it will eventually go away. However, this is understandable, since they haven’t fully experienced the feeling and I appreciate any suggestions.
Missjess
05 Feb 2014
I don't know if u have ever been to Eboka forum? But if u day something bad about iboga they all shun it and spin some shit like,"mayb u didn't respect the spirit of iboga" etc ...ppl need to remember it's a drug aswell and it doesn't always have a spiritual side to it. I mean I never encountered papa iboga and I have used iboga a few times in smaller doses.