• Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In    
  • Create Account
  LongeCity
              Advocacy & Research for Unlimited Lifespans

Photo
- - - - -

Impressive results! Schizophrenia and piracetam.

schizophrenia piracetam

  • Please log in to reply
8 replies to this topic

#1 mono

  • Guest
  • 201 posts
  • 27
  • Location:Aus
  • NO

Posted 24 June 2014 - 09:48 AM


Hi all,

 

I was diagnosed schizophrenic (with insight) early last year, was put on antipsychotic medication for around a year which took away all of my positive symptoms, but unfortunately had some (tolerable) side effects. I came off my antipsychotic early this year, have been off it for a good 3+ months and so far everything is ok.

 

While my negative/cognitive symptoms are mild, I have tried a number of things to improve this area (amphetamine, sarcosine) with limited results. Since nothing worked I just accepted my state of mind and eventually stopped focusing on my defects and forgot about it.

 

Well I have been studying pretty hard for my upcoming exams and decided I venture back into the world of supplementation. I thought I'd go with some fairly 'mild' nootropics to assist in my efforts. I have had some pretty bad reactions to drugs/meds/supplements, my neurochemistry is pretty fragile.

 

With the added stress of studying/exams, I have been getting some symptoms coming to the surface, in particular anxiety and panic attacks, with some mild bodily sensations (hallucinations), and some paranoia.

 

So anyway i'll cut to the chase. I decided to try out the piracetam I received recently. After hearing some horror stories, I decided to start of dosing with around 200 micrograms. Basically I dissolved 40mg into a litre of water and measured out 5mL. I gradually increased the dosage (500ug, 1mg etc) until I reached around 300mg which is where I started to feel effects. I redosed a few times until I reached a level which felt efficient, my accumulated dose being 600mg.

 

All I can say is wow! The first thing I noticed was that my mind clearly was working more efficiently, I assumed it had extra energy available and everything was functioning at a higher level. The next thing I noticed was that the borderline psychotic symptoms I had been experiencing all day lessened quite dramatically. This was quite an amazing thing to witness, it was like an instantaneous antipsychotic effect. I took the dog for a walk and while I was walking around noticed some other improvements.

 

My thinking had become more creative, I was coming up with all sorts of ideas and insights. I could actually feel my emotions, which was incredible, which reminded me that I do have a mild anhedonia. Critical thinking increased significantly, which although I haven't read anything definitive, I do believe schizophrenics have a lack of analytical/critical thinking (psychosis involves a large lack of judgement). My thoughts and emotions and whole psychology just became clearer, where as normally it's a subconscious thing I ignore, instead I was aware of it. I had more motivation, which was inter-related to the enhancement of critical and psychological thinking - I understood why I needed to do something and the logical action I needed to take.

 

When I got home I meditated and attained what Buddhism would call "access concentration", or the beginning stages of samadhi. I mantained it for around 5 minutes. Normally my meditation is coloured by what is known as "sloth and torpor", essentially a lack of mindfulness pulls the meditation into a dull state rather than awareness.

 

The best way I can describe it, is that piracetam (metaphorically) scratched an itch in my brain. It significantly ameliorated the negative/cognitive and positive symptoms I experience as a result of schizophrenia. Alot of the supplements I've tried, whilst they do have benefits, haven't really slotted well with my chemistry. This time is was like a tailored suit, I could feel it was really activating a part of my brain that has a dysfunction.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10583700

 

I believe the glutamate hypothesis is one of the most promising avenue's of research into schizophrenia treatment, next to the dopamine hypothesis. Piracetam is [sic] "a positive modulator of glutamate receptor", and I believe this is why piracetam had such a therapeutic effect on me. Quite amazing, and it gives me quite a bit of insight/direction into my neurochemistry.

 

 

 

 


Edited by mono, 24 June 2014 - 09:58 AM.

  • dislike x 1
  • like x 1

#2 YoungSchizo

  • Guest
  • 855 posts
  • 17
  • Location:I Have No Clue

Posted 26 June 2014 - 12:19 PM

Good to hear Piracetam alleviate your symptoms, I think you are one of the lucky individuals, Piracetam might as well worsen psychotic symptoms in others. I have Nefiracetam laying around, did a trial but it was kind of a failure feeling drugged all the time, it's short half-life, headaches and masking symptoms.

 

I also have Aniracetam, which, in theory, might alleviate symptoms like Piracetam, though, still haven't tried it yet. 

 

I have found a supplement for some of my symptoms, Jarrow Green Defense and it's seems like it's, next to Sarcosine, one of the best supplements that have taken in years (going to make a separate thread about it).



sponsored ad

  • Advert
Advertisements help to support the work of this non-profit organisation. To go ad-free join as a Member.

#3 mono

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 201 posts
  • 27
  • Location:Aus
  • NO

Posted 26 June 2014 - 07:53 PM

Unfortunately tolerance is developing pretty fast. I'm still getting a very healing effect out of it towards my schizo tendencies and general state of being, but the wow factor I experienced with my 'virgin' taste of piracetam isn't there anymore. I plan to keep using it daily for around two weeks and I'll report back him I'm feeling by the end of that. I've really noticed some improvements in my memory too which is awesome.

Another study I found of piracetams effects on NMDA:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/8234409/
Interesting about the Jarrow's green formula, any idea what may be contributing to its therapeutic effect?

#4 YoungSchizo

  • Guest
  • 855 posts
  • 17
  • Location:I Have No Clue

Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:16 PM

Yes, keep us updated on the Piracetam.

 

Yesterday they said on the TV that serotonine is produced in the intestine (no idea if that's true), maybe that's why I'm experience some of it's positive effects. I only know green food is healthy for anyone (I rarely eat green), also there is some evidence that some food increase symptoms and a ketogenic diet a decrease. It may also be the trademarked probiotic effect that's cleaning my intestine, my bowel movement and stool improved too..

 

But in the end, to be honest, I have no idea why this Green Defense helps me and/or which of the ingredients are the ones that help me. I ordered 3 more jars and am going to experiment with it.



#5 mono

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 201 posts
  • 27
  • Location:Aus
  • NO

Posted 02 July 2014 - 10:22 AM

Well it's been over a week now and I've finished my exams. I slowly tapered off the piracetam, taking 800mg once in the morning the last few days, and just 600mg once in the morning today. I don't plan on taking anymore tomorrow and since I'm not studying anymore will probably not resume use for the remainder of this month.

 

What I have noticed: an improvement in my memory and my functional memory retrieval. Overall I feel very centered and calm throughout my day, this suggests to me a slight but positive impact on positive/negative symptoms. My mood has been excellent and I feel generally an overall sense of well-being. Piracetam has also had an interesting effect on my vision an almost serenity with landscapes and definite colour saturation.

My meditation has deepened, though I cannot attribute this to piracetam entirely as I have been developing my mental capacities previous to my piracetam use.

 

The only problem: I am getting constant heart palpitation/chest pain. I cannot be sure what the source of this is, but I am going to cease my piracetam usage and see if it goes away. It may be anxiety related, despite the fact that the last few days have been impeccably stress-free.

 

Overall I feel piracetam has mostly had a positive impact on my memory and I do feel more centered throughout the day. I'm finding that eating a good balance of fruit/veges/protein (also supplementing fish oil) with daily exercise and a deepening progression of my meditative practice is also having a very positive influence on my mental state.


Edited by mono, 02 July 2014 - 10:24 AM.


#6 AlmostEasy

  • Guest
  • 112 posts
  • 115
  • Location:USA

Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:51 AM

You should find this very interesting:

 

http://www.longecity...-48-grams-dose/

 

From what I understand, though I haven't done extensive research so take this with a big ol' grain of salt, piracetam hasn't been proven to increase cognition in healthy individuals but that it excels in healing those with imbalances in the brain, or those that have damage that needs to be repaired, this is where the idea of "increased" cognition comes from.  I've also heard it said that it's not useful to take it beyond the time it takes to actually repair this damage, BUT I see tons and tons of reports of people taking this stuff for years on end without taking a break so there's something to be said about that, I'm not sure what exactly but I know from time to time I've forgotten what exactly something is doing for me but I continued to take it.  It could be that it does other things for people as well such as an increase in well-being feeling, so there's that as well.

 

Food for thought  :|o



#7 mono

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 201 posts
  • 27
  • Location:Aus
  • NO

Posted 04 July 2014 - 10:12 AM

Yes that is something I have considered. Most likely there is some residual damage from drugs/alcohol as well as antipsychotic treatment, psychotic states and the neuro-deficits of schizophrenia itself. Most notably I felt improvements in memory, memory-recall as well as the formation of memories. I saw a really insightful lecture today which put an average of IQ on general cognitive deficits found in SZ (that being around 80), which isn't mental retardation but is below average found in general population. My IQ is above average so I clearly don't fit on that spectrum, regardless I do feel antipsychotic treatment as well as slightly excessive alcohol usage has had a slight decline on my cognition, which may attribute to why I found piracetam effective.

Another interesting note is that NMDA receptors occur through every region of the brain, and dysfunction in a certain region can attribute to a certain set of symptoms. Dysfunction in the limbic system can cause a dysfunction in fear extinction which is however something I can relate too.. Interesting stuff...

Edited by mono, 04 July 2014 - 10:20 AM.


#8 mono

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 201 posts
  • 27
  • Location:Aus
  • NO

Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:06 PM

P.S. I found anything above 2 grams of piracetam pretty much put me to sleep. My first experience was at 600mg and was plenty intense. I found dosing 800mg once every 24 hrs, to be most efficient, anything above that to me personally was just overkill. I do find I am exceptionally sensitive to chemicals.

sponsored ad

  • Advert
Advertisements help to support the work of this non-profit organisation. To go ad-free join as a Member.

#9 mono

  • Topic Starter
  • Guest
  • 201 posts
  • 27
  • Location:Aus
  • NO

Posted 06 July 2014 - 11:29 AM

I stopped taking piracetam for around 4-5 days and the heart palpitations stopped. Took 800mg this morning - heart palpitations all day.

I don't know why it is causing me this chest tightness, it's a bummer of a side effect because the memory improvement + visual saturation, as well as the possibility of further enhancing/repairing my cognition was quite nice.

Perhaps there is another racetam/nootropic I can look into that has long-lasting benefits on brain functioning particularly on glutamate transmission...





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: schizophrenia, piracetam

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users