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[Ark]

Is it possible there are more anonymous patients like this one? http://www.breitbart...to-Receive-Care

[Ark]

So what about Ebola is ultimately responsible for killing the people?

From what I read Ebola does a few things.

Dehydration? Can be treated either drinking large volumes of saline (or introduced intravenously)

Internal/External bleeding? Could this be remedied or helped by taking drugs or foods that thicken the blood? I assume things like asprin or fish oil or warfarin (if you needed to take it) would be counter productive. Internal/External bleeding also has a disatrous affect on blood pressure but does this happen from acute dehydration or the virus attacking the red blood cells and organs and nothing to do with being dehyrated

Kidney/Liver failure? Is the organ failures caused by loss of blood, blood pressure and dehydration? Or the virus actively attacking the organs. If someone who contracts Ebola from the moment the symptoms appear stays totally hydrated, will he/she have to deal with this problem?


Diarrhea kills nearly a million people each year, but I'd almost be certain to live because I can continue to drink clean water/saline and get treatment.

Ebola causes severe and acute dehydration through vomiting and diarrhea. Not keeping food down means no energy either so we are fighting an illness and could be hypoglycemic at the same time and given we are 70% water, if we don't replace the fluids lost, we are sure to die very quickly. Our bodies simply do not have the time to beat it if nothing is done. The way that Ebola works it doesn't give the people much time (or the stomach) to replace the fluids. It's not just water we lose but electrolytes.

Apparantly in Nigeria (they claim to have beaten it) the mortality was a bit lower and one nurse who was affected (and recovered) said she drank around 5L a day of a salt/sugar water solution. It tasted awful but she knew she had to if she was to beat it.

So I guess if the ultimate thing that killed people with Ebola was dehyration, then people in the 1st world do not have AS much to worry about (but still ultimately worry of course.... Why would you want that hideous virus that can and will kill people on your doorstep).

So is dehydration the main, ultimate cause of death... Is dehydration the beginning of a cascade of symptoms (such as bleeding and then organ failure) that if you leave it too long, your body proceeds to the next step such as bleeding and your chances become slim. But if you dont let your body get to that step and stay hydrated from the beginning, will your body have time to recover?

I've heard it's a cumulative effect of all of the above, but the final blow comes when your immune system attacks your heart.

[Kalliste]

That is going to make people more paranoid.

[Danail Bulgaria]

Is it possible there are more anonymous patients like this one? http://www.breitbart...to-Receive-Care

 

In your link they have written, that the ebola patient was disease free, when he was released. So, this type of patients are not dangerous. They will not transimt the disease. The dangerous are those people, who do not seek treatment. For example there are still supposed to be a large number of HIV positive people, who do not want to be diagnosed, and avoid diagnostication.
 

[Nemo888]

Ebola infects the endothelial cells of you blood vessels interfering with blood pressure regulation early on. Hypotension is not necessarily dehydration. Over time it eats through you microvascular system and you bleed out from thousands of tiny holes. It infects monocytes/macrophages, not red blood cells. But you lose haemoglobin all the same and eventually can't metabolize sufficient oxygen. You can also die from dehydration or fever or sepsis. Take your pick. You need a hospital if you get it. On their own few survive.

Edited by Nemo888, 22 October 2014 - 08:58 PM.

[Ark]

If someone in America catches Ebola can they legally choose to stay completely anonymous or for the hospital not toake it known to the public due to hippa laws?

[Danail Bulgaria]

100% no. But he may ask the doctors to keep a medical secret about him.

[Chrystoph Kardashev]

Ask yourselves. do you truly want to cure her? :3

 

[Danail Bulgaria]

What do you mean by that?

[Chrystoph Kardashev]

Lol that's "Ebola-chan", an anthromorphic representation of Ebola making rounds on the internet, can you believe that? I think it's quaint and cute in it's own sick way; and something that quickly grabbed my attention being someone who takes deep interest in the mass psychology of impending dangers. It's a human survival mechanism, but can it be detrimental I wonder...

Edited by Chrystoph Kardashev, 23 October 2014 - 03:39 PM.

[Mind]

very interesting, but if we take this into consideration, what can be the change in the death rate for exemple ? We see variation between 50 and 90% death by case

 

In the U.S. the death rate from ebola is essentially 0%. If Mr. Duncan had been treated properly and sooner, I am confident he would have lived.

 

Even if you include Duncan, the death rate in the U.S. is only about 15%.

 

Treatment might not be easy (such as, take a pill and get better), but ebola is certainly treatable.

[Ark]

Doctor being treated in New York.

[Nemo888]

Mali reports its first Ebola case

http://www.cidrap.um...irst-ebola-case

[Ark]

http://www.dailymail...mperatures.html
Seems to survive quite the amount of time outside of a host.

[Area-1255]

Oleuropein from olive leaf extract, curcumin/turmeric, Allicin from garlic...and african bitter kola nut..as well as oxygen therapy and high dose vitamin C.

Jiagolun, reishi mushrooms, acidophilus and other similar immune tonics may also be needed....if your immune system is built up enough before hand..it might not do much to ya in the first place..but you would have to be in an absolutely optimal immune state...like me, i never ever get sick, at all. People usually refer to me as a biological miracle. 

How to Counter ebola when it hits ; Be Prepared

[Yunasa]

wow..this thread is amazing. i would like to now more about this as well. i am a little concerned cus if it gets to the point where one or two go unquarantines, o m g , or it is missed. what can we do?

[Chrystoph Kardashev]

Are you guys forgetting that flu kills far more people every year than ebola ever did? Living a healthy lifestyle, taking measures to boost immunity and avoiding crowds should be staples of any immortalist not only in the face of a pandemic. It's a sad excuse for a pandemic too...

[Nemo888]

I don't know any virologists, molecular biologists or CBRN specialists who share your opinion. They all have a very healthy fear of Ebola.

[Chrystoph Kardashev]

I have a healthy fear of death in general, and that includes pandemics with relatively high mortality rates, something this (and previous) Ebola outbreaks seem to lack so far. It's slow to spread and easily contained in developed countries. It's all MSM fearmongering click-baiting to me. In any case I have a year's worth of food and water at the ready for any emergency.

Edited by Chrystoph Kardashev, 01 November 2014 - 10:02 PM.

[Nemo888]

If you work in health care or the military there is already substantial risk. Most of which is from a lack of preparedness. That year of food and water is absolutely useless. What is needed is a budget to have finished the vaccines and have proper isolation facilities and training for personnel. Instead the money was wasted on things like tanks for local police forces. Dumb.

[Chrystoph Kardashev]

"If you work in health care or the military there is already substantial risk."

 

I  don't.

 

 

"That year of food and water is absolutely useless."

 

It is. For me. For one year. For emergencies.

 

 

"What is needed is a budget to have finished the vaccines"

 

I wouldn't touch those vaccines with a 10-foot pole.

 

 

"Wasted on things like tanks for local police forces. Dumb."

 

Building an Orwellian police state is resource-intensive you know.

Edited by Chrystoph Kardashev, 01 November 2014 - 11:53 PM.

[Nemo888]

Having known people working on the vaccine since 1976 I would take a dose of VSV-EBOV in a heartbeat. The Russians were trying to weaponize it back then. There has been two generations of work on that vaccine. Not that I really need it. It's just some of them are dead and I miss them.

Most of the risk to you is financial. A partial pandemic would kill the already weak global recovery. A year of food and water does nothing to mitigate that risk. If you are a normal person and need a job that is pretty important. Spending a few bucks on biosafety will save us money in the long run.

Edited by Nemo888, 02 November 2014 - 12:07 AM.

[Kalliste]

I think it's a good idea to have basic supplies at home. Not going to save you if the entire civilization is ravaged but that is not certain. In the short term it's going to save you from being beaten to death by others fighting for emergency help outside the local mall.

[Ark]

http://pda.scienceal...0111-26438.html

[Mind]

New York doctor improving. Similar treatment to a few of the others. Survival rate in the U.S. is still essentially 100% (I maintain Duncan would have survived with proper help sooner). 7 cases, 6 survive. Survival rate 86%.

[Mind]

If you work in health care or the military there is already substantial risk. Most of which is from a lack of preparedness. That year of food and water is absolutely useless. What is needed is a budget to have finished the vaccines and have proper isolation facilities and training for personnel. Instead the money was wasted on things like tanks for local police forces. Dumb.

 

Tanks for local police. A definite misallocation of resources. One of thousands (by all levels of government in the U.S.). Dumb doesn't begin to describe it.

 

The problem with creating and storing all of the vaccines/antidotes (of many potentially deadly pathogens) is that it requires strategic long-term planning and an up-front cost, for an uncertain long-term pay-off/reward. This is something that Americans are exceedingly bad at. Politicians respond to the voters, and voters have never clamored for deadly pathogen vaccines (much less investment into rejuvenation research).

[Area-1255]

 

If you work in health care or the military there is already substantial risk. Most of which is from a lack of preparedness. That year of food and water is absolutely useless. What is needed is a budget to have finished the vaccines and have proper isolation facilities and training for personnel. Instead the money was wasted on things like tanks for local police forces. Dumb.

 

Tanks for local police. A definite misallocation of resources. One of thousands (by all levels of government in the U.S.). Dumb doesn't begin to describe it.

 

The problem with creating and storing all of the vaccines/antidotes (of many potentially deadly pathogens) is that it requires strategic long-term planning and an up-front cost, for an uncertain long-term pay-off/reward. This is something that Americans are exceedingly bad at. Politicians respond to the voters, and voters have never clamored for deadly pathogen vaccines (much less investment into rejuvenation research).

 

Definitely agree, issue I have is that some are still deceived by the propaganda, disinformation and abuse of priveleges - they do a good job at keeping the half witted black sheep in their cabins.  They can pull the hook on the train and no matter what road the train is moving , be it division or a false sense of unity, people won't hesitate to be pulled along with it and in the dirt even so as long as to them they are feeling to be a part of something larger. This is ignorance in it's most depressing form. 

 

Then people wonder why America gets some bad rap at times, people lose respect when they aren't standing up to atrocities like this, and switzerland protests, Venezuelan protests, all of this can serve an important poster child to look at and differ what should be successful in regards to the necessary change*, and not the type of change employed by paid off goons in the government.

Edited by Area-1255, 02 November 2014 - 03:31 PM.

[xEva]

If you work in health care or the military there is already substantial risk. Most of which is from a lack of preparedness. That year of food and water is absolutely useless. What is needed is a budget to have finished the vaccines and have proper isolation facilities and training for personnel. Instead the money was wasted on things like tanks for local police forces. Dumb.

 
Tanks for local police. A definite misallocation of resources. One of thousands (by all levels of government in the U.S.). Dumb doesn't begin to describe it.
 
The problem with creating and storing all of the vaccines/antidotes (of many potentially deadly pathogens) is that it requires strategic long-term planning and an up-front cost, for an uncertain long-term pay-off/reward. This is something that Americans are exceedingly bad at. Politicians respond to the voters, and voters have never clamored for deadly pathogen vaccines (much less investment into rejuvenation research).

Tanks for local police ain't dumb. Here is why: Politicians want to please voters. Voters make tanks and want to be paid for their work. When tank sales slow down, it's not good for economy. What do politicians do? They take the money that has already been allocated for the developing nations struggling with ebola and buy tanks on them and then give them away as an aid. See? Not dumb at all

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Edited by xEva, 03 November 2014 - 02:02 AM.

[Ark]

Uhh tanks make up such a small portion of GDP, it's like a drop of water in a pool. Unless your being sarcastic.

Edited by Ark, 03 November 2014 - 04:43 AM.

[Kalliste]

It's true what she says. Pork barrel politics is expected from politicians in the entire world. Money could be better spent as we all know. Toss the entire US defense budget towards orbital microwave power plants and SENS

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Pork_barrel