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JDTic Experiance Report

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#1 KieranA001

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:15 PM


JDTic:  Pioneering Research into Potent KOR antagonism

 

Theories Behind KOR Antagonist Treatment and JDTic (as taken from TeamTLR)

 

JDTic via selective, potent, and long-acting KOR antagonist activity is theorized to alleviate psychoneurodysfunctional [Google it] states (moderate to severe), within a broad range of conditions, including states that encompass depression states, anxiety/fear/trauma states, OCD-S states, addiction states, depersonalization-related states, and other such psychoneurological/emotional states adverse to well-being.

 

The opioid system is the seat within the balance set within evolutionary 'design' of wellness:unwellness, and most all that is encompassed within such.  Within that theory, currently proposed theory denotes the potential of direct antagonist activity upon KOR, the “seat of unwellness”, to foster a potent counter to this opioid receptor that is responsible for 'negative-state' promotion.

 

Antagonizing the receptor would appear to have no tolerance and addiction potential as with the induction of agonist activity of MOR, the “seat of wellness”, wherein such modalities are not viable as within bearing the intrinsic flaws of rapid tolerance and high addiction potential (among other well-known non-psychoactive adverse effects). 

 

Quite to the contrary, KOR antagonist activity is anti-tolerance and anti-addiction, providing 'resetting' of “emotional tone” primarily through resetting of these pathways; within markedly reversing dysregulation within dopaminergic pathways and other addiction-related/tolerance-related pathways.

 

“Emotional Tone” or “Psychoneurofunctional Tone” is the level of resistance to adverse/dysfunctional emotional states (psychoneurodysfunctional states, which as well encompasses addiction states). JDTic in in vivo animal research has demonstrated long-acting effects (>30 days) within its KOR antagonist activity, to be such that in which is seen to 'corrupts' the KOR, which appears to be mediated via a c-Jun activation dependent mechanism. 

 

To have capacity to so profoundly improve core(KOR) tone would appear to be of greatest value as a base treatment for improving a plethora of psychoneurodysfunctionalities.

 

JDTic Research / Experience:

 

Subject starting JDTic dose at 500MCG per day via sublingual route of administration. Subject has been diagnosed with depression / anxiety and other phobias inherited via a history of family mental illness and through self traits. I will be doing at 500MCG via 0.25ML of alcoholic-based solution @ 40%.

 

Day 1: T - 10:00AM:

 

Subject has administered the 0.25ML of solution containing 500MCG worth of JDTic. Subject feels slightly inebriated as to say with a slight increase in “emotional tone”, no VT has been noted thus far. At this point, I feel slightly depressed but have less anxiety levels then when administered.

 

I dosed another 500MCG, via the same route of administration as before. Subject feels slightly more “happier” and vision seems “HD Like”, with more vividness and colour although light is more sensitive.

 

Day 2: T – 8:00AM:

 

Subject will be dosing 1MG through 0.5ML of solution.  Subject feels more of an “emotional tone” at this dose although not much of a mood uplift. Subject will be dosing via inhalation tomorrow.

 

Subject feels down and unsure of this unhappiness. Although, subject has found that when emotional tone is most noticeable the depression of the subject is felt more. This “negative mood” sensation goes with another dose subject took T+1:00 after initial dose.

 

Subject doses another 1MG of JDTic, achieving a good mood uplift with the enhanced emotional tone / state.

 

Day 3: T – 8:23AM:

 

Subject took 1MG through administering 0.5ML of solution via inhalation from a syringe (without needle). Subject feels the effects are felt quicker through administering the JDTic via inhalation.

 

Subject feels a nootropic form of action occurring as subject experiences increased visual clarity and sudden rapid mood uplifting effects. Subject feels more aware of his environmental stimulus with increased visual saturation.

 

Day 4: - 12:04PM:

 

Thus far, subject has not noticed any form of VT that has occurred from the administration from JDTic. At day four, the “emotional tone” from the JDTic is more pronounced. This tone gets more noticeable as the days go by.Today, subject will be administrating 2MG worth of JDTic via 2ML of solution SubL.

 

T + 3 Minutes – Subject feels a “lightness” come over him with a sensation of being inebriated.

T+ 6 Minutes – Subject feels “happy” and “emotionally uplifted”, as if the world has more meaning embedded into it. Life’s events appear to be funnier, social conversations appear to be more interesting and enjoyable.  

 

Day 10: - 3:00PM:

 

After a 10 day period of dosing with JDTic at 1MG (despite the 2MG during day 4 for “testing purposes”, subject feels that mainly his “fear”, “social phobias” and “anxieties” have faded over this period of time.

 

Subject feels that JDTic is a drug that you have to administer over a graduated amount of time in order to see any “real” benefit from it. My mood has also uplifted a lot, although subject feels like his fear has mostly been diminished the most from this 10 day administration of JDTic.

Subject at this current moment in time feels less hostility, more loving and caring towards people and general love for the things in his life and those around him.

 

Subject feels it is not rewarding in itself, but life seems richer and the days more infused with meaning. JDTic is most effective at preventing stress and fear. JDTic is definitely a drug worth investigating IMO. Although, recommended administration would be via inhalation / nasal spray over at least a month to get true KOR-antagonism. :) 


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#2 Galaxyshock

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 06:19 PM

Thanks for the anecdote


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#3 EachLastDay

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 04:28 PM

Thanks for the report.

 

I have a couple questions though, if you'd be so kind as to answer them.

 

1. It's been over a month since this was posted. Can I ask how long the subject felt the effects lasted after cessation of dosing?

2. Did the subject notice any changes in sleep quality, duration and/or dreams?

KOR antagonist, nor-BNI, reverses the negative effects of morphine on sleep. http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23303062

Somewhat related, mu agonists inhibit REM sleep. http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/7696070

 

Here are some reports of vivid dreams after salvia use. Possibly due to downregulation or something similar. Or, quite possibly, the opposite, since salvia has reverse tolerence. However, given the antidipressent effects of salvia, I'm inclined to think it is an analog of downregulation.

http://www.shroomery...Number/10403790

https://www.dmt-nexu...g=posts&t=20648

The bit about dreams is near the end of this one: https://www.erowid.o...xp.php?ID=57536

There are many more reports.

 

Thanks in advance.



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 05:25 PM

Hello,

 

The effects lasted for about a month after stopping JDTic. The effects would taper down each day slowly, then my heightened emotional state would have gone. JDTic didn't really effect my sleep at all. I still had really good sleep, although found that some nights I might wake up "awake" rather than just sluggish (take an hour to fully wake up) kinda thing. Don't know how though! 

 

Salvia used to make me depressed after about 30 minutes after smoking it. It heightened my already depressed mood.

Thanks for the report.

 

I have a couple questions though, if you'd be so kind as to answer them.

 

1. It's been over a month since this was posted. Can I ask how long the subject felt the effects lasted after cessation of dosing?

2. Did the subject notice any changes in sleep quality, duration and/or dreams?

KOR antagonist, nor-BNI, reverses the negative effects of morphine on sleep. http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23303062

Somewhat related, mu agonists inhibit REM sleep. http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/7696070

 

Here are some reports of vivid dreams after salvia use. Possibly due to downregulation or something similar. Or, quite possibly, the opposite, since salvia has reverse tolerence. However, given the antidipressent effects of salvia, I'm inclined to think it is an analog of downregulation.

http://www.shroomery...Number/10403790

https://www.dmt-nexu...g=posts&t=20648

The bit about dreams is near the end of this one: https://www.erowid.o...xp.php?ID=57536

There are many more reports.

 

Thanks in advance.

 



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 07:09 PM

 

although found that some nights I might wake up "awake" rather than just sluggish (take an hour to fully wake up) kinda thing. Don't know how though! 

 

 

I suspected JDTic inhances sleep quality, due to the study I posted. I'm still not sure how it fits in with salvia and vivid dream though.
 

 

 

Salvia used to make me depressed after about 30 minutes after smoking it. It heightened my already depressed mood.

 

 

I had that happen one with salvia (only tried salvia half a dozen times or so... so far). I took small hits until I noticed a perceptual change. I soon felt shitty for the next hour or so. I problem was that I wasn't in th right mindset. Though from what I understand so far, this was a psychological effect rather than a psychochemical effect (insofar as the two are independent).

 

More recently, I had a decent experience with low dose salvia. I've been taking multiple grams of l-theanine per day, so that was probably a factor. Anyway, I meditated for a few minutes, then took small hits till I felt mild effects. It was relatively pleasant and I felt pretty good most of the day. I find this report infinitly fascinating, describing intense euphoric effects with a kava kava and salvia combination. https://www.erowid.o...exp.php?ID=4870

 

So kappa activity is clearly not inherently negative. Likewise, the afterglow is not inherently positive. From what I've read, salvia afterglow has two parts. The first part lasts about an hour after dosing, while there's still small amounts of salvinorin A in your system. The second part can last 1-2 days, and is presumably due to down-regulation like effects.



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Posted 14 January 2015 - 06:27 AM

I've been trying jdtic from teamtlr for 4 days now.

So far: started at 250mcg escalating over 4 days to 1mg today in a single daily dose. Did feel my heart beat a bit faster about 20 min after the first three doses for a few minutes. Today didn't feel anything. Second night woke up to the same feeling had to take gianfacine and klonopin to get back to sleep. Later that night felt very sad and cried. Can echo increase in depression and initial emotionality. Last two days starting to feel something though. Will make
Larger report in a few days. But it is definitely doing something.
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 09:52 PM

I've been trying jdtic from teamtlr for 4 days now.

So far: started at 250mcg escalating over 4 days to 1mg today in a single daily dose. Did feel my heart beat a bit faster about 20 min after the first three doses for a few minutes. Today didn't feel anything. Second night woke up to the same feeling had to take gianfacine and klonopin to get back to sleep. Later that night felt very sad and cried. Can echo increase in depression and initial emotionality. Last two days starting to feel something though. Will make
Larger report in a few days. But it is definitely doing something.

 

Thanks for your experiences, keep them posted they're very interesting. I have been looking at KORX-OX, as that also looks good but don't know what to expect when taking it. 

 

http://teamtlr.com/s...antagonist.html



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Posted 15 January 2015 - 12:18 AM

I've been trying jdtic from teamtlr for 4 days now.

So far: started at 250mcg escalating over 4 days to 1mg today in a single daily dose. Did feel my heart beat a bit faster about 20 min after the first three doses for a few minutes. Today didn't feel anything. Second night woke up to the same feeling had to take gianfacine and klonopin to get back to sleep. Later that night felt very sad and cried. Can echo increase in depression and initial emotionality. Last two days starting to feel something though. Will make
Larger report in a few days. But it is definitely doing something.

 

Thanks for the report. Good luck with your remaining doses.

I'm assuming you are taking it sublingualy? Usualy, sublingual administration is drastically  more potent than oral.

 

 

Thanks for your experiences, keep them posted they're very interesting. I have been looking at KORX-OX, as that also looks good but don't know what to expect when taking it. 

 

http://teamtlr.com/s...antagonist.html

 

 

A naturally occuring, orally available KOR antagonist? I'm intrigued.

 

I should research the c-Jun pathway they mention. Though, it looks really hard to understand.



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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:44 PM

Is JDTic available to buy anywhere?


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Posted 22 November 2015 - 01:39 AM

Today I had one my first experiences with Salvia.
I will be telling the experience soon and hope to get opinions about the following:

The KAPPA OPIOID SYSTEM, how it affects behavior and whether up or down-regulated state is more beneficial more a 21st century smart human?

First of all this is the first hallucinogen I have had an experience with and was not sure what to expect in general. I thought I would get something like virtual reality and I will be in the observer's point of view. What happened was quite fascinating, though.

 

The first time I did it was weird, it took me by surprise and I got into a dream like state where I could still think.

 

The third time I did salvia, after a few minutes of the dream like state I was back in the reality. I soon realized however, that my state of consciousness is alter. I felt like I am PURE CONSCIOUSNESS, other people have called this "death of ego". The feeling of SELF was not the entire body and mind but the PURE CONSCIOUSNESS only. 

 

Imagine you have a large human like robot, of a size of a large building, and you are sitting somewhere in the head of the robot. Visualize your world of at this point. How would you see the world ? What would you feel ? This is what I was feeling during the experience. The robot was my BODY and the driver was MY CONSCIOUSNESS sitting in my head, observing the world.

 

A lot of my subconscious processes, that work PARALLEL to the consciousness to produce behavior were barely present. Anxiety, fear, shame was basically nonexistence. There was only PURE CONSCIOUSNESS. I could do and say precisely ANYTHING I wanted to do. Have you experience social anxiety or discomfort in social situations, when it feels you don't have control ? When it feels your voice, your face expression or your behavior is partially out of your CONSCIOUS control, being governed my circuitry of fear, anxiety, social acceptance, anger or anything else ?
Salvia was the EXACT OPOSIT of that. All those were inexistent. Every part of the behavior was under complete control.

 

My BRAIN FOG and DEPRESSION was gone. My thought was CLEAR and CLEAN.

 

 

Now here is my hypothesis of the neuropsychiatry that was happening:
Salvia has a very clean action - KAPPA OPIOID AGONIST.
Kappa opioids and Mu opioids have somewhat opposite effects. Kappa Agonist are supposed to have no euphoria whatsoever.

One of recent Depression models is that it's a state of UPREGULATED KAPPA OPIOID SYSTEM.
Kappa Opioid System is hypothesized to represent the APPROACH / AVOID spectrum of the person towards challenges.

 

I read about the above and decided to give Salvia a try. I wanted to AGONIZE the receptors to achieve LONG term DOWNREGULATION of the system. I was expecting to feel fear and dysphasia after few minutes of administration, but was stunned to achieve the full control and pure consciousness I was talking about.

 

One explanation is the following. Kappa neurons are usually coupled with dopamine neurons. Dopamine in the anxiety and fear systems creates anxiety and fear. Kappa neurons have inhibitory action on dopamine neurons. Increased Kappa activity caused my Salvia my decrease the activity of the subconscious areas of the mind, leaving a feeling of PURE CONSCIOUSNESS.

 

Here is the DILEMMA, however ! 
Why is it then that previously, DOWNREGULATED KAPPA SYSTEM was considered preferable ? This is inconsistent with what I observed. 

 

Some people have experimented with JDTic which is a KAPPA ANTAGONIST. I would love to hear how they felt for the acute and withdrawal states. Any parallels ?

 

Anyone else has similar experiences with Salvia ?

 

P.S. I previously associated DOPAMINE with increased CONSCIOUS control. However being high on Salvia, I snorted some RITALIN which had NO EFFECT on the drive, motivation or thought process of my PURE CONSCIOUSNESS.







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