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#1 hack646

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:46 PM


Hey everyone, I know there are a lot of you out there that are fed up with drugs like SSRIs that take forever to kick in, and have awful side effects for sometimes just a minimal benefit. 

I'm going to use this thread to discuss some of the fast acting anxiolytics I've used that have really helped me with my battles against anxiety and how I've used them for the most benefit. 

Before starting I should say that we are all very different, so what has worked for me, may not work for you. You should, if possible, consult with your own doctor before beginning any new drug.

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Benzodiazepines: I've tried many different drugs that fall into this class, but I'll limit my review to one short acting BZD (Alprazolam) and one long acting (Clonazepam). 

Alprazolam: One of the major benefits of Alprazolam is that it's onset is very quick. Upon taking it, I feel an intense relaxation within minutes. On the flip side, it's half life is much shorter than other BZDs so the effects usually wear off within a few hours. Alprazolam is great if you suffer from panic attacks or very acute situational anxiety, but for me, I needed something that lasted longer. Another downside is that it has a much greater potential for addiction as the "high" can be more prominent and some users may try to frequently re-dose to try to recapture it. Recommended start dose: .25mg (7/10)

Clonazepam:This is one of my favorites as it is longer lasting and gets me through the entire day with one dose in the morning. It takes much longer to kick in (around 45 minutes to an hour for me) so it is much more useful as a preventative anxiolytic (ie. you should take it if you know there is something in the day that will cause you anxiety). It's long half life allows it to accumulate in the body, so taking it daily longterm is not recommended. For me, I try to take it no more than twice a week. As such, I haven't had any problems with tolerance. I don't notice any cognitive dulling with this drug, making it a great all around drug to use on occasion. Recommended start dose. .5mg (9/10)

Pregabalin: This is by far my favorite anxiolytic drug. Albeit my response to this drug may be a bit idiosyncratic. It is recommended to take this drug daily; however, I find acute usage of the drug to be far more useful. The onset is quite long around 1-2 hours, but it produces a great anxiolytic, prosocial, moodlifting, and even euphoric feeling that lasts for around 24 hours. One downside is that tolerance to this drug builds quickly (but also falls quickly), as such, I only take it two times a week. The other downside is that there is some cognitive dulling and minor judgement impairment with the drug so while it may be great for social gatherings I would reconsider taking it for an interview or exam. Recommended start dose: 150-300mg (9/10) 

Phenibut: Phenibut was the first fast acting anxiolytic I ever tried, and to this day it still works quite well. Like pregabalin it takes around an hour and a half to kick in and it exhibits anxiolytic and moodlifting properties. The effects also last around 24 hours. There is some cognitive dulling so it may not be useful in some situations. It can also be very addictive so do not take it more than twice a week. Phenibut seems to cause me some GI discomfort so I try not to take it very often, maybe once a week. Recommended start dose: .5-1g (7/10)

Beta Blockers: Drugs in this class may be useful if your anxiety symptoms are mostly physical (eg. heart palpitations). I found propranolol mildly helpful for presentations, but on it's own it's just not strong enough. May be more usefull when combined with other drugs like benzodiazepines. Tolerance and addiction to these drugs should not be an issue. (4/10)

Tianeptine: This is another drug that is meant to be taken daily, however the acute opiate effects kick in within an hour of dosing. To maintain these effects I wouldn't recommend taking more than twice a week. Like opiates I get a moderate anxiolytic and euphoric feeling; however, too much makes me nauseas and gives me terrible headaches. Very little cognitive dulling. Recommended start dose: 12.5mg (7/10)

Alcohol: Is a great anxiolytic and social lubricant, but has its obvious issues. Use with caution when taking it with any of the above listed drugs.

Barbiturates: Only tried this class of drugs once, very hard to get. Don't recommend as BZDs are much safer.

GHB: Very euphoric, very recreational, very addictive. Don't recommend.

Cross tolerance: I take clonazepam, pregabalin, phenibut, tianeptine, and alcohol on a weekly basis. Due to different pharmacological actions of these drugs, there should be little to no cross tolerance. After years of taking these drugs my personal experience falls in line with this claim.

As you can see many of these drugs shouldn't be used more than twice a week. As such, a rotating regiment may be useful. This is what I do, and it seems to stave off tolerance.

M:Clonazapam
T: Tianeptine
W:Pregabalin
Th:Clonazapam
F:Phenibut - alcohol
Sat: Pregabalin - alcohol
Sun: Tianeptine

This is what worked for me and has helped me tremendously in living with my anxiety. However, this is just my experience, I am an N of 1, and what worked for me may not work for you, so do your own research or talk with your doctor to find what will be best suited for you.

Let me know if you have any questions or want me to go into more detail about any of the mentioned drugs. If there is a fast acting anxiolytic that I did not mention, I'd love to learn about it.


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#2 UKLAD

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 12:51 PM

nice post...i have taken Pregabalin 100mg today :)



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 08:01 PM

I'm alternating pregabalin, tianeptine, kratom and aniracetam. I recommend you kratom very highly. Been a life saver for me this past year.
Also I've had piracetam hydrazide a couple of times. Interesting but I'm still to find a cost effective dose.
7,8dhf is reasonably anxiolytic but not much in the mood brightening department from my experience.
Yerba mate is also a good boost to keep you going through the day

Edited by Al Capacino, 22 September 2014 - 08:21 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2014 - 05:34 PM

you guys should seriously give buspirone a try.

 

Granted it wont work for a lot of people, but its really great if it works like it did for me. might not be as potent as clonazepam but hey its non addictive/ non sedating/ non dulling/miminal side effects!

 

 


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Posted 24 September 2014 - 06:40 PM

^Cool, ive considered buspirone and have seen mixed reviews on it, wondering if I should really Cop A Feel. Do you feel it affects sleep at all though?
I cant take buspirone yet because im on trazodone, i think they interact



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 01:50 AM

I started as low as I could get. 2.5mg four times a day to 5mg two times a day to 5mg three times a day.

 

the first few days that I was on 5mg, there was a mild sleepiness 1 hour post dosing easily counteracted by coffee.

 

I also felt insomniac if I dosed buspirone past 5 pm. but there could be a lot of other factors at play there.

 

Also  I dont think they interact much to be honest (buspar and trazodone). It cant cause seratonin syndrome etc,considering buspar is often prescribed for SSRI induced sexual dysfunction!



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 05:43 PM

SGAN-OX is great for anxiety. Use it all the time... :-)

 

http://teamtlr.com/s...AN-OX&results=3


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 06:35 PM

If you guys like Pregabalin (Lyrica) than maybe you'll enjoy this video presentation by the maker of pregabalin on its "discovery", how it was brought to market, its mechanism of action etc.

View on Vimeo.



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 08:48 PM

@ KieranA001

 

I see you are in Brighton, is that the one in the UK? Have you had any problems getting SGAN-OX from the US?



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 08:52 PM

SGAN-OX is great for anxiety. Use it all the time... :-)

 

 

What is SGAN-OX?  How does it work?  How should it be taken?



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Posted 26 September 2014 - 08:59 PM

I'm alternating pregabalin, tianeptine, kratom and aniracetam. I recommend you kratom very highly. Been a life saver for me this past year.
Also I've had piracetam hydrazide a couple of times. Interesting but I'm still to find a cost effective dose.
7,8dhf is reasonably anxiolytic but not much in the mood brightening department from my experience.
Yerba mate is also a good boost to keep you going through the day

 

Kratom is another one that I should have mentioned. I believe it acts on the opiate receptors. I liked it for a while, but it started giving me terrible headaches so I ended up stopping it.  It also has a high potential for addiction so its good that your cycling it.



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:47 AM

SGAN-OX is great for anxiety. Use it all the time... :-)

 

http://teamtlr.com/s...AN-OX&results=3

 

yeah tell us more!

 

dose/MOA/ any cognitive problems/ side effects/ duration of action/ potency comparison!



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:09 AM

@ KieranA001

 

I see you are in Brighton, is that the one in the UK? Have you had any problems getting SGAN-OX from the US?

 

Yep, I live in Brighton. I brought it from TeamTLR who are based in the US so no issues at all. :-)



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:17 AM

 

SGAN-OX is great for anxiety. Use it all the time... :-)

 

 

What is SGAN-OX?  How does it work?  How should it be taken?

 

 

 

 

SGAN-OX is great for anxiety. Use it all the time... :-)

 

http://teamtlr.com/s...AN-OX&results=3

 

yeah tell us more!

 

dose/MOA/ any cognitive problems/ side effects/ duration of action/ potency comparison!

 

 

Well, basically, as I know. The plant with the chemicals that give SGAN-OX its properties is Sceletium tortuosum, which contains Mesembrine (main active ingredient) plus a load of other alkaloids. Take a look here:

 

http://en.wikipedia....rtuosum#Effects

 

Although, it's not believed HOW it effects the brain. But, it seems this is the best answer:

 

http://www.iamshaman...nna/medical.htm

 

Although, SGAN-OX is a modified version of Kanna (  Sceletium tortuosum ). This is what TeamTLR have to say about it:

 

"Within mice models SGAN-OX exhibited 180% of the anxiolytic potency as compared to a Sceletium tortuosum 80%min mesembrenone/20%max mesembrine standardized extract as active reference.

 

Compared to diazepam as the reference, the anxiolytic activity required approximately 200-330% the dosage to achieve EC50 equivalence in rat models. No adverse effects or signs of lethargy, ataxia, or behavioral disruption was observed at doses administered."

 

To be honest, it just looks like they have modified it by extracting the alkaloids into SGAN-OX, so it might just be an extract of the plant KANNA. 


Edited by KieranA001, 27 September 2014 - 08:19 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:17 PM

On a side note I noticed while looking at SGAN-OX on Truelife Research website that a lot of thier products suggest a alcohol - water mix, what alcohol (other than the obvious vodka/whiskey etc) could I use? I am guessing its the same alcohol used in tincture preparations? But if so can I purchase it?  



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:40 PM

On a side note I noticed while looking at SGAN-OX on Truelife Research website that a lot of thier products suggest a alcohol - water mix, what alcohol (other than the obvious vodka/whiskey etc) could I use? I am guessing its the same alcohol used in tincture preparations? But if so can I purchase it?  

 

You can purchase the SGAN-OX no problems. The alcohol I use is a 40% proof one, something like vodka 151 would be better! Haven't really used DMSO if that's the alcohol alternative you're referring to?

 

Thanks!



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 02:57 PM

I was thinking raw alcohol as surely any spirit one purchases would have many non desirable additives? I know you can get Isopropanol on ebay but is that ok to mix with? There must exist a raw alcohol like the supplement companies use to make tinctures but I dont know if the layman can get it easily

 



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 06:03 PM

40% alcohol is all you need. Vodka can be used. Never use Isopropanol alcohol.

 

I've always wanted to use a variety of anxiety relieving drugs and cycle them but the sad fact is it takes some people such as me quite a bit of discipline to not combine 2 or 3 of the drugs. Dependending on your addictive tendencies for some people cycling like this could cause major problems. Say for instance you take a little bit too much much Lyrica and it lowers your inhibitions causing you to take something else. Same as if someone is drunk and they are still drinking when in fact they really are just accidently overdosing due to lowered inhibitions.

 

Where do you get all your pharms from? Doctor? Interwebs?


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 07:36 PM

Well all I can say is that, as of today, the best anti-anxiety "combination" that I have ever used, that gives the BY FAR THE BEST effects would be a mixture of high CBD (13%) low THC (4%) tincture. From this plant:

 

http://analytical360.../flowers/283384

 

And a mixture of Tianeptine 12.5MG

 

They both give each other a synergy. So wasn't expecting this!!! It just feels like life is enriched with more meaning, everything is more vivid and my mood is so great. I actually cannot believe I'm this happy... My good CBD vendor just came back and (by far the best out there) I'm so glad. (All the other CBD vendors aren't as good!)

 

I can even "feel" music in my ears!


Edited by KieranA001, 27 September 2014 - 07:38 PM.


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 07:44 PM

Never been interested in cannabindiol.... get pleny relief from phenibut and benzos, addiction is a non issue
Progabalin doesnt work for me at all.

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:37 PM

Never been interested in cannabindiol.... get pleny relief from phenibut and benzos, addiction is a non issue
Progabalin doesnt work for me at all.

 

Yeah Phenibut it great. It does really help with social anxiety to be fair. Only negative is that it causes Sleepiness and (sometimes) rebound anxiety. I remember when I first used to take it, and I took it for three days in a row and had bad rebound anxiety the day after. Was not pleasant!



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Posted 27 September 2014 - 08:45 PM

Never noticed any renound from it or heared my girl mention it.

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:22 PM

phenibut has been the best for so far after some trial and error (kept loosing a nights sleep here and there when taking too often) I have found keeping it to once a week i get no rebound/withdrawels and i love the effect, i have ordered some SGAN-OX - hope its as good (or better)

 

btw Truelife research have an what seems to be an awesome array of stuff, most i have never seen :)


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:25 PM

I take it daily, withdrawal is never an issue as ive got clonazepam.

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Posted 27 September 2014 - 09:27 PM

lol that name uklad.

Fucking united kingdom, the nhs is the biggest joke in the world nut everyone loves england and emglish ppl are legendary falling drunk everywhere around the world haha, ppl here are crazy

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 06:12 PM

The nhs a joke? How is free healthcare for everyone a joke?

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:09 AM

40% alcohol is all you need. Vodka can be used. Never use Isopropanol alcohol.

 

I've always wanted to use a variety of anxiety relieving drugs and cycle them but the sad fact is it takes some people such as me quite a bit of discipline to not combine 2 or 3 of the drugs. Dependending on your addictive tendencies for some people cycling like this could cause major problems. Say for instance you take a little bit too much much Lyrica and it lowers your inhibitions causing you to take something else. Same as if someone is drunk and they are still drinking when in fact they really are just accidently overdosing due to lowered inhibitions.

 

Where do you get all your pharms from? Doctor? Interwebs?

 

Phenibut: Online Phenibut XT brand

Klonopin: Rx

Lyrica: Rx

Tianeptine: Online Ebay from Nyles7

 

It does require a lot of self control to cycle safely.  My biggest problem is with lyrica, I tend to become very disinhibited and usually drink on it, which is a totally euphoric combination, but probably not a good idea. That being said, I've never found combining any of the four drugs with one another all that interesting, so that hasn't ever been a problem with me.



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Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:13 AM

Well all I can say is that, as of today, the best anti-anxiety "combination" that I have ever used, that gives the BY FAR THE BEST effects would be a mixture of high CBD (13%) low THC (4%) tincture. From this plant:

 

http://analytical360.../flowers/283384

 

And a mixture of Tianeptine 12.5MG

 

They both give each other a synergy. So wasn't expecting this!!! It just feels like life is enriched with more meaning, everything is more vivid and my mood is so great. I actually cannot believe I'm this happy... My good CBD vendor just came back and (by far the best out there) I'm so glad. (All the other CBD vendors aren't as good!)

 

I can even "feel" music in my ears!

 

I've tried CBD edibles before, but never had much success. Granted, the amount of CBD in the edibles was probably way too low, however, I've found it to be very cost prohibitive to get a reasonable dosage.  That being said, I've never tried that combo before.  It does sound enticing.

 

Your description of the effects sound exactly like what I feel when I take Lyrica, especially the "feeling" and sometimes "seeing" music.

 

On another note, Lyrica and cannabis has always been a very chilled and sometimes psychedelic experience for me.  Definitely a great combo.


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 07:45 AM

 

Well all I can say is that, as of today, the best anti-anxiety "combination" that I have ever used, that gives the BY FAR THE BEST effects would be a mixture of high CBD (13%) low THC (4%) tincture. From this plant:

 

http://analytical360.../flowers/283384

 

And a mixture of Tianeptine 12.5MG

 

They both give each other a synergy. So wasn't expecting this!!! It just feels like life is enriched with more meaning, everything is more vivid and my mood is so great. I actually cannot believe I'm this happy... My good CBD vendor just came back and (by far the best out there) I'm so glad. (All the other CBD vendors aren't as good!)

 

I can even "feel" music in my ears!

 

I've tried CBD edibles before, but never had much success. Granted, the amount of CBD in the edibles was probably way too low, however, I've found it to be very cost prohibitive to get a reasonable dosage.  That being said, I've never tried that combo before.  It does sound enticing.

 

Your description of the effects sound exactly like what I feel when I take Lyrica, especially the "feeling" and sometimes "seeing" music.

 

On another note, Lyrica and cannabis has always been a very chilled and sometimes psychedelic experience for me.  Definitely a great combo.

 

 

Too expensive, look here:

 

mvape.co.uk

 

He's a great vendor!


 



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Posted 05 October 2014 - 09:56 PM

 


 

Kratom is another one that I should have mentioned. I believe it acts on the opiate receptors. I liked it for a while, but it started giving me terrible headaches so I ended up stopping it.  It also has a high potential for addiction so its good that your cycling it.

 

 

I found that batch , strain or supplier might really matter. I used to get it from KTbotanicals and I never got a headache from it. Then i ordered from this other place because ktbotanicals only does bulk orders now, and this other supplier that i buy other things from had it anyway so i just ordered it there. Anyway this other supplier's kratom gave me the worst neckache and made me feel like i was getting seriously sick. I thought maybe it was just a one-off thing but when i tried it again it happened another time.







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