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[The Ripper]

Ripper i am not trying to sell you anything, there is no way that I am letting someone who is talking to me like that have pictures of my face. I haven't read your post because it's just getting out of hand and the posts are not about trying to solve this problem anymore. I hope you fix whatever is wrong in your life.

Good on you. What a joke.

[diabeticNorm]

Hello Cactus!

It worked for me. I think it's a good point that by increasing volume you won't fix all the cues. I have to disagree in that I think increasing volume can make someone look younger (or maybe just better is what i am saying?)

I think the shape of the head in youth has a specific geometry and the skin is different. Never claimed it would fix the shape. Loss of tissue has been recognised as a major contributor to the change in shape. It's why fillers are so popular. It's a tough problem but I think it's better to have more volume than none although perhaps the methods available won't restore the shape anywhere near nicely on some heads? Not sure, it did on mine.

Anyway I am about done with this post, I hope it helped some people. Just a word out to some people on these forums: I respect and value your opinions, that's why I am personally here as this site gives a lot of hope and quality information. It would be nice if you could treat others with more respect, you have no idea how it affects other people and they may not be as emotionally strong as you are.

Ciao amigos.

[Clacksberg]

Hello Cactus!

It worked for me. I think it's a good point that by increasing volume you won't fix all the cues. I have to disagree in that I think increasing volume can make someone look younger (or maybe just better is what i am saying?)

I think the shape of the head in youth has a specific geometry and the skin is different. Never claimed it would fix the shape. Loss of tissue has been recognised as a major contributor to the change in shape. It's why fillers are so popular. It's a tough problem but I think it's better to have more volume than none although perhaps the methods available won't restore the shape anywhere near nicely on some heads? Not sure, it did on mine.

Anyway I am about done with this post, I hope it helped some people. Just a word out to some people on these forums: I respect and value your opinions, that's why I am personally here as this site gives a lot of hope and quality information. It would be nice if you could treat others with more respect, you have no idea how it affects other people and they may not be as emotionally strong as you are.

Ciao amigos.

Yes iv'e noticed similar things myself - wouldn't mind trying Beta alanine actually.

Well, i read somewhere the skull keeps developing in certain areas as we get older - chin, nose, ear's(!) forehead - well after 40, that's another thing eh!

Think we could do with a forum om 'home spun' cosmetic enhancement - you know

Topicals. Needling. Excercises, maybe not 'do it at home' fillers though !

[StephCThomp]

Skincare forums are very fruitful sources of information on facial exercises.  It's become quite popular with many women, and some share their results with photos.

 

dN, you've done very well to keep your reactions moderate.  I think it's clear to the casual and functional observer what just happened there, so thanks for sharing your careful and interesting n=1 observations, and don't be put off doing the same again in future.

[diabeticNorm]

Skincare forums are very fruitful sources of information on facial exercises. It's become quite popular with many women, and some share their results with photos.

dN, you've done very well to keep your reactions moderate. I think it's clear to the casual and functional observer what just happened there, so thanks for sharing your careful and interesting n=1 observations, and don't be put off doing the same again in future.

Thank you for the encouragement there Steph and for the heads up on where to look. :-)

I would only add to be careful with increasing volume too much, too fast or too often. I suspect this may lead to damage of soft tissue as may be the case with gaining weight too fast etc also there is a link I provided which substantiates the claim of facial muscle building.

I am actually happy that the alternative views/qualifications have been put forward in this post in order to improve my own view on the matter (which they do). It's just the manner which could be better etc. I hope it doesn't detract from what appears a possible solution for many.

With regards to photo sharing I have learnt to be careful when sharing any personal information online. I understand why before and after photos are important but these are easily faked in terms of aging and other beauty products by labelling an older photo as the younger one. That's why it's never good evidence especially when there is a hint of a product being sold.

Take care.

[cotton bud]

Does anyone know the dose and method of delivery DN used? Very important because it seems there could be opposite effects on adipose tissue depending on whether the dose is high or low.

[Qowpel]

Does anyone know the dose and method of delivery DN used? Very important because it seems there could be opposite effects on adipose tissue depending on whether the dose is high or low.

Well what kind of adipose tissue related problems depending on dosage are you talking about?

[nowayout]

 

Yes I posted a link to an article in the daily mail relating to a dermatologist called Perricone. He basically states that angelina jolie and other celebrities get the whole apple cheek look or whatever by increasing facial muscle volume and tailoring it.

 

No, they get fillers.  Obvious, obvious fillers.  Plus amounts of botox that prety much excludes the very possibility of facial exercises. 

Edited by nowayout, 11 July 2015 - 01:03 PM.

[cotton bud]

 

Does anyone know the dose and method of delivery DN used? Very important because it seems there could be opposite effects on adipose tissue depending on whether the dose is high or low.

Well what kind of adipose tissue related problems depending on dosage are you talking about?

 

 

Lipolysis

[diabeticNorm]

Don't take the supplements.  I have changed my mind.  I was in a pretty desperate state of mind when I was doing all of this, thankfully I have come along since then.  I think that I took a safe amount of Carnosine according to doctors but it is 6 times the usual dose.  Other people have taken this amount but the amount of bulk it puts on seems unhealthy to me on reflection.   Yes muscles can add volume to your face.  Yes this will add volume but it just feels too much.  You can still try the electronics stimulation for volume but i have no idea if it will increase the muscles enough to make a difference. It will be a symmetrical increase but the distribution of tissue will be different from fat.  

[nowayout]

 

Anyhow the point of the matter is not beta-alanine, it's that you can enlarge muscle mass in the face to replace loss of other tissues. You can guess that it's not possible or doubt my analysis and that's fine if you want to do that. But it appears to me that I have actually done it and this is echoed by dermatologists who show case studies of where this has been done and provide methods for how to do it.

And you can't replace lost bone, which is the biggest problem with sagging skin over the age of 35.

 

I am not sure that is anywhere close to being a true statement.  I am not disounting that some people, especially postmenopausal women, have some gradual bone loss (like everyone else I saw that recent article in the popular press), but I seriously doubt that faces of men in their 40s, for example, sag because of bone loss.  As any dermatologist will tell you, loss/redistribution of facial fat is the largest contributor to sagging at least in early middle age.
 

[nowayout]

sorry double post

Edited by nowayout, 29 July 2015 - 01:49 PM.