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[mitkat]

I'm trying to get into a stack that will help with memory, specifically the ability to recall, but also to improve general cognitive abilities. I am a 23 year old vegetarian. Any additions, or info of any kind, would be appreciated.

This is what I have started to ease my way into:
Soy Lecithin 1200mg, 3x daily
Piracetam 800mg, 3x daily
Aniracetam, 700mg, 2x daily
Pyritinol, TBA, but currently 400mg
CoQ10, 80mg phytolipid
Gingko 60mg, 2x daily
L-tyrosine, 1000mg

Also a B-Complex, Daily Multi and one big swig o' flax seed oil.

I'm waiting on some centro and hydergine I've ordered. I've also been thinking about huperzine, plus I have some bacopin I just look at.

Thanks all.

[mitkat]

Thanks da_sense. I wish the hydergine was in bulk! I'm getting it from biogenesis. I take CoQ10 because I'm a vegetarian, I just thought I'd throw it in here to get all the info down. I want to pick up some idebenone also.

I'll start cutting down dose times.

All of my powders, except the piracetam, I got from nootropikshop.com. Adam is a great source for bulk powders. The piracetam I got from nootropica.com.

[mitkat]

I know people have beef with Adam, but he's given me nothing but good products. And obviously, COAs

But I don't really want to open that can of worms right now.

Centro also acts as a choline donor, correct? So i could keep the lecithin down once i start on that, and still feed the racetams.

Vasopressin also looks like a keeper, but definately not for any sort of long-term use. I'm doing correspondence research now, so it's not like a i have a huge exam to study for where i could really benefit from it.

Thanks again.

[LifeMirage]

I'm trying to get into a stack that will help with memory, specifically the ability to recall, but also to improve general cognitive abilities. I am a 23 year old vegetarian. Any additions, or info of any kind, would be appreciated.

This is what I have started to ease my way into:
Soy Lecithin 1200mg, 3x daily
Piracetam 800mg, 3x daily
Aniracetam, 700mg, 2x daily
Pyritinol, TBA, but currently 400mg
CoQ10, 80mg phytolipid
Gingko 60mg, 2x daily
L-tyrosine, 1000mg

Also a B-Complex, Daily Multi and one big swig o' flax seed oil.

I'm waiting on some centro and hydergine I've ordered. I've also been thinking about huperzine, plus I have some bacopin I just look at.

Thanks all.

I would recommend better acetylcholine donors like cdp-choline or Alpha GPC choline....and replacing your Soy Lecithin with either a Phosphatidylcholine complex or pure PPC.

[xanadu]

"I would still keep 10gr of lecithin a day"

da sense, do you mean 10 grains or 10 grams? 10 grams seems like a lot. I take about a gram a day myself.

[mitkat]

i have soy grains also, i've been experimenting with. would that be a more suitable source of choline for now, or should i just invest in some Alpha GPC?

[johnmk]

I don't believe lecithin from soy contains much soy actually, all the compounds some people object to really aren't present.

[mitkat]

whoopsie, sorry, i was being inexplicit. i have no name brand lecithin gelcaps, 1200mg, and also a tub of GNC soy lecithin granules. i'm just going to get some Alpha GPC when these are done.

also, if i take idebenone, do i need to further supplement with CoQ10? that phytolipid stuff can be costly, and if redundant, i'll toss it.

[mitkat]

no, i mean phytolipid source of CoQ10. it's supposed to have enhanced bio-availability and faster absorption. as a vegetarian, i had been concerned about CoQ10 in the past.

thanks

[ajnast4r]

i also eat about 2 raw eggs a day which is also source of choline

and a great source of disease

[wannafulfill]

i also eat about 2 raw eggs a day which is also source of choline

and a great source of disease

I really disagree. FDA reports that only 0.003 percent of eggs are infected. The translation is that only one in every 30,000 eggs is contaminated with salmonella. Besides, in the rare case that a healthy person actually eats salmonella, there is little risk of harm.

[mitkat]

as a boy, I was deathly allergic to eggs, and I've only really started eating them in the past few years. I've never gone all "rocky" on them and had 'em raw, maybe I'll give it a shot.

[mitkat]

I'm reviving this thread from it's grave, to get some feedback on my current stack. Sorry for such a massive bump, but I'd like some comments please! I'm doing a correspondance thesis program, so I'm not going to be in any testing scenerios, but I do need to do some homework everyday, after work that is. So...my main focus is...focus! And memory, general cognitive enhancement as well. I've been toying with pyritinol a little.

Choline Bitartrate 500mg, 2x daily
Piracetam 800mg, 3x daily
Aniracetam 700mg, 2x daily
Hydergine 4.5mg
CoQ10 80mg phytolipid
Idebenone 50mg, 2x daily (upping soon)
Ginkgo biloba 60mg, 2x daily
R-ALA 100mg, 3x daily
Ester-C 500mg
L-tyrosine 1000mg, 1x weekly
Vitalux Time Release
Siberian Ginseng (Eleutherococcus) 260mg, 2x daily
Korean Ginseng (Panax) 500mg
Phosphatidyl Serine 100mg
Eyebright (Euphrasia officinalis) 500mg
Flax Seed Oil, a big swig
Hemp Seed Oil, small tablespoon

I know I need a better choline source, I'm just running it dry. I'm also wondering about the Phos. Serine...It's a little expensive, and I get the feeling 100mg a day just isn't going to do anything. Any thoughts?

[scottl]

Flax Seed Oil, a big swig
Hemp Seed Oil, small tablespoon

Take some fish oil and ditch both.

[gcurrie]

My recommendations in order of importance:

Vinpocetine: 5-10 mg 3x day (every meal). Clarity.
Huperzine A: 50-100 mcg per day with food. Helps with memory in particular.
Pyritinol: I like 200 mg, but apparently others like a lot more (400 - 1000 per day). Mental focus.

other comments:

Try Alpha GPC for your choline. It seems to have it's own effect on mental activity, apart from being a great and bio-available choline source.

I found hydergine to be overpriced for it's effect on me.

Phosphatidyl serine had no effect whatsoever that I could tell.

[edit]: If you try vinpocetine, you might drop the gingko. Both are vasodilatory. Vinpocetine is more specifically a cerebral vasodilator, which will help more in mental focus and cognitive enhancement.

[rfarris]

Flax Seed Oil, a big swig
Hemp Seed Oil, small tablespoon

Take some fish oil and ditch both.

Yeah, but doesn't it give you a happy little feeling to know that you're imbibing a hemp product?

-- Rick

[mitkat]

QUOTE (rfarris) Flax Seed Oil, a big swig
Hemp Seed Oil, small tablespoon

Take some fish oil and ditch both.
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Yeah, but doesn't it give you a happy little feeling to know that you're imbibing a hemp product?

-- Rick
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Yes, it certainly does Rick!! Plus, I'm a vegetarian, I don't take fish oil.

Vinpocetine...I have some but have yet to get into it. I like the idea of it's actions, being from a plant I have to hang around with everyday. I also have glasses/contacts, and a history of macular degeneration in my family, so I'm interested in it's microcirculatory properties in and around the eyes more than anything else.

Any thoughts on the Phos. Serine anyone?

Edited by mitkat, 06 October 2005 - 12:33 AM.

[scottl]

Well...

"Yes, it certainly does Rick!! Plus, I'm a vegetarian, I don't take fish oil."

All I'll say is look at the data on optimal doses of EPA/DHA and look at the controversy over conversion ratesof ALA and see how much EPA/DHA you are getting and see if your policy makes sense to you.

[mitkat]

And all I'll say to that is I guess I won't be one of the transhumanist astronauts flying off into space in the year 3000. And it's not a policy, it's an ethic. Thanks for your comments

[rfarris]

And all I'll say to that is I guess I won't be one of the transhumanist astronauts flying off into space in the year 3000. And it's not a policy, it's an ethic. Thanks for your comments

Ok, I've got one!

If we're not supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?

-- Rick