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[Anthony_Loera]

Hmm... probably not the right place for this...

but Retin-A is really some of the best stuff in the world in my opinion, but it is prescription.

Tightens skin, gets rid of acne, the works... you just can't go out in the sun immediatly after using it.

Just my 2 cents
Anthony Loera

[shadowrun]

Hmm - I'll try it out, i'm gonna bump up to 2 TBS for a little while

My skin looks great but I want to stay on top of it...Once it goes its gone

BTW - I highly recommend slathering on some Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil - It really moisturizes and softens the skin

I didn't think it would work but I tried it before the shower one night... and it really works!

This is of course you don't mind smelling like a salad and leaving it on for a little bit

[OutOfThyme]

Don't forget a splash of balsamic vinegar.

I'm with you on the OEVOO. I've used it a few times when I was out of moisturizer. It does a good job.

[djmmm]

FWIW... consumer reports had a skin care review a few months back. They compared expensive products with drug store products, and all of the Olay products were #1.
also..
Cosmetic executive woman beauty awards 2007: http://events.cew.or...wbook/finalists

[wayside]

I'm not even comfortable at my current dose long term, but I might try to keep it a little higher than it was before to see if the effects stay.

What happens if you take too much?

[Shepard]

What happens if you take too much?

Accelerated death, in one way or another. Too much fish oil will thin the blood excessively and hinder necessary inflammatory responses. You also have MR's argument against fish oil supplementation entirely. Not to mention that there are problems with excess polyunsaturated intake, anyway.

[shadowrun]

I recently bought some Beta Glucan and i've been itching to try out a DIY Cream from it...

Any input on what % the lotion should be?

Are there any ingredients that work well with Beta Glucan?

Thanks -

[Athanasios]

You do not need much, a 1% solution would be fine. This works out to about 1/4 gram of beta glucan per oz. of cream.

[shadowrun]

Thanks cnorwood [thumb]

I'll update everyone on the results -

[sentinel]

Accelerated death, in one way or another. Too much fish oil will thin the blood excessively and hinder necessary inflammatory responses.

Shepard, can you cite any worth while studies to back this? I had my concerns but I haven't seen any compelling studies to back it up.

[eldar]

Not to mention that there are problems with excess polyunsaturated intake, anyway.

Care to elaborate? I've always been under the impression that unsaturated fats are good for you.

[Shepard]

Care to elaborate? I've always been under the impression that unsaturated fats are good for you.

Not all unsaturated fats = polyunsaturates. But, the degree of unsaturation affects the ability of the fat to peroxidize and other troubles that follow. There is some evidence that the w-6/w-3 ratio is more important than the amount of polyunsaturates, and fish oil with Vitamin E is the least likely to be damaging. Also, you can search the forum for MR's DHA hypothesis.

[Shepard]

Shepard, can you cite any worth while studies to back this? I had my concerns but I haven't seen any compelling studies to back it up.

Dietary supplementation with eicosapentaenoic acid, but not with other long-chain n-3 or n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, decreases natural killer cell activity in healthy subjects aged >55 y.

        * Thies F,
        * Nebe-von-Caron G,
        * Powell JR,
        * Yaqoob P,
        * Newsholme EA,
        * Calder PC.

    Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford, Oxford, United Kingdom.

    BACKGROUND: Animal studies showed that dietary flaxseed oil [rich in the n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid alpha-linolenic acid (ALA)], evening primrose oil [rich in the n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid gamma-linolenic acid (GLA)], and fish oil [rich in the long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA)] can decrease natural killer (NK) cell activity. There have been no studies of the effect on NK cell activity of adding these oils to the diet of humans. OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to determine the effect of dietary supplementation with oil blends rich in ALA, GLA, arachidonic acid (AA), DHA, or EPA plus DHA (fish oil) on the NK cell activity of human peripheral blood mononuclear cells. DESIGN: A randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind, parallel study was conducted. Healthy subjects aged 55-75 y consumed 9 capsules/d for 12 wk; the capsules contained placebo oil (an 80:20 mix of palm and sunflower seed oils) or blends of placebo oil and oils rich in ALA, GLA, AA, DHA, or EPA plus DHA. Subjects in these groups consumed 2 g ALA, 770 mg GLA, 680 mg AA, 720 mg DHA, or 1 g EPA plus DHA (720 mg EPA + 280 mg DHA) daily, respectively. Total fat intake from the capsules was 4 g/d. RESULTS: The fatty acid composition of plasma phospholipids changed significantly in the GLA, AA, DHA, and fish oil groups. NK cell activity was not significantly affected by the placebo, ALA, GLA, AA, or DHA treatment. Fish oil caused a significant reduction (mean decline: 48%) in NK cell activity that was fully reversed by 4 wk after supplementation had ceased. CONCLUSION: A moderate amount of EPA but not of other n-6 or n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids can decrease NK cell activity in healthy subjects.

PMID: 11237929 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

And, you can pretty much go through the related links from this abstract and explore the subject for a while.

[sentinel]

Thanks, Shep, I'll have a trawl.

[shadowrun]

I've been on a 1% DIY Beta Glucan cream for about 2 weeks now

Anecdotally, The results are excellent -
My skin feels less raw, more moisturized and it does look younger.
I used to love alpha lipoic acid but this stuff doesn't irritate my skin in any way

IMO it is one of the best creams i've made - Its simple and requires only your base cream and the Beta Glucan

Of course I want to try out a mega-cream and see if it mixes well with anything else - I'll report back if I find a good addition to Beta Glucan.

Any suggestions?

Read up on it - Its good stuff! [thumb]

[sentinel]

SR

What BG did you use, I have some from Skinactives and it's ok but didn't seem to bolster the cream over and above the existing actives (EGF Etc). I think it's rice derived but I'll have to check.

[shadowrun]

Hey Sentinel -

Finding Beta Glucan in my area was definately a pain - I ended up piggy backing (NOW Beta 1,3/1,6 - D - Glucan) onto an online order I was making

I bought it because I like NOW and it was fairly cost effective at $7.99

I also wanted to try it as a supplement...Otherwise your probably much better off finding a straight powder from somewhere

Its Maitake Mushroom derived (100 mg Beta Glucan) and it also contains extra 200 mg of Maitake mushrooms - I read somewhere that the Japanese primarily use Maitake derived beta glucan in their hospitals but I don't know if this is the best kind for our purposes

It will smell subtly like mushrooms

Definately not the optimal way to make a cream (but very effective!) [thumb]

Let me know if you find a good powder from somewhere - I'm still looking for one

[Athanasios]

SR

What BG did you use, I have some from Skinactives and it's ok but didn't seem to bolster the cream over and above the existing actives (EGF Etc). I think it's rice derived but I'll have to check.

The one that skinactives uses beta-1, 3 glucan with 1,6 glucan side chains, which can be derived from yeast
or fungi. The ones derived from grains are beta-1,4 glucan with 1,3.

The paper I posted earlier used oat derived glucans, but there is a lot of research showing 1,3 with 1,6 being an immune stimulator. Either should work.

[woly]

by DIY do you guys mean to make your own skin cream? if so, could anyone tell me/post me a link on how to do this? it sounds very interesting.

[sentinel]

Shad I always appreciate your enthusiastic and honest input - I'll look into it.

CNorwood meanwhile means I don't have to look too far, thanks chap.

Now that I've finished patting and hugging, woly take a look at this, it should give an overview of DIY Creams and you can ping around the forum to see what might be of use to you.

http://skinactives.com/forum.htm

Check the FAQ

ALSO in a cross thread I read the Edward (I think) had a histamine reaction to Carnosine which might back up why I have, completely out of biological character, started getting dry itchy skin and carnosine is one of the new ingredients to my DIY cream.

Remember, just because it's cosmetic cream, doesn't mean it can't have a dramatic positive or negative effect. I'm drawing blood with my nails...

Edited by sentinel, 12 May 2007 - 11:03 PM.

[sentinel]

Interesting that this thread has gathered nearly 12,500 views let only 140 contributions. I guess it's an indication of how many people are deeply interested in superficial improvement...

..yes me too..nothing to be asahmed of. We'll sort the rest of the world out tomorrow. [thumb]

[Mind]

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I used something called strixaderm. It worked fine, but it was too expensive and it had pretty much the same ingredients as a lot of other creams...so I don't use it anymore.

[shadowrun]

12,500 views - Wrinkles and Fine Lines first - Life Extension tomorrow, lol

Superficiality just might be what brings many people to this site.
Seeing time eat away at you in old photos and in the mirror is a scary proposition...

I think its enough to get someone interested in Life Extension

Some fine lines under my eyes and a health scare are what brought me to this site, and I admit, I definitely looked my age 2 years ago (but definately not anymore).

These creams sometimes seem like magic but they won't last long without the proper lifestyle to support it -
If our Mystery Viewers want to be a little more than skin deep they might want to take a look at the diet and supplement sections [thumb]

[sentinel]

Mind

I had a look at Strixaderm before and the main active is Palmitoyl Pentapetide 3 (patented of course). I don't really know how/if this works - any idea?

[sdxl]

Mind

I had a look at Strixaderm before and the main active is Palmitoyl Pentapetide 3 (patented of course). I don't really know how/if this works - any idea?

You can get some of that ingredient here.

[sentinel]

oh ok, I've read about Matrixyl 3000 before but seen very mixed reviews - anyone know the science behind it other than it making skin "look younger"..?

[curious_sle]

um, i use on alternating days a little of Tretinoin genericum and Strixaderm... not shure it helps much... (granted, i'm 33 and people guess me at 25-26 but that i suppose is more the lack of ability do infer age by looks...)

for skin healing i actually got best results with a ellagitanin cream... just in case

[macanizer]

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[curious_sle]

I've been watching tv :-) and seen some remark that one or more of the supermodels yadda yadda well use revital seemingly they meant the expensive shiseido one. So i had a look-see and well, it sems to have Retinol ACE as active ingredient... now... that sounds a lot like Retinol Acetate but i can be wrong... why would they use a water soluble version? and what are the differences to tretinoin?

[baertacgraff]

I've been watching tv :-) and seen some remark that one or more of the supermodels yadda yadda well use revital seemingly they meant the expensive shiseido one. So i had a look-see and well, it sems to have Retinol ACE as active ingredient... now... that sounds a lot like Retinol Acetate but i can be wrong... why would they use a water soluble version? and what are the differences to tretinoin?

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