CBS 60 Minutes and Aubrey 1/1/06
John Doe 03 Jan 2006
I'm curious to know what you mean by these statements. What is it exactly that bothers you about the concept of "indefinite" life extension? Is this not a worthwhile goal, assuming it's possible?
(Perhaps point me to where you might have already answered these questions to avoid derailing this thread.)
Thanks for your involvemenet, by the way, both here and on 60 Minutes.
I too would very much appreciate a pointer to a place where the dispute between Jay and Aubrey is discussed in more detail.
sjayo 03 Jan 2006
Aubrey and I squared off at a meeting in Montreal last Spring. We agreed to draft articles representing our views and publish them as a debate. Aubrey's article is entitled "Extrapolaholics Anonymous: reasons why demographers’ rejections of a huge rise in life expectancy this century are overconfident";my article is entitled "Science fact and SENS fiction". Aubrey's article was submitted to a scientific journal, but it didn't pass independent external peer review. I haven't heard anything about that paper in more than 6 months. My article is on the back burner given my other commitments for the remainder of this calendar year (2 grants, 3 book chapters, 4 articles, teaching, etc.), and the fact that it should only be published next to Aubrey's article. Maybe 2007, and I would now need to spend a considerable amount of time updating it. Perhaps Aubrey and I will appear on a podium together in the next year on this topic -- that would be a good place to hear the differences and similarities in our arguments -- which, by the way, have little to do with the central question asked above about "indefinite" life extension. We will be together at Oxford in March, but I think the only person to be talking about Aubrey's ideas at that meeting will be Aubrey.
S. Jay Olshansky
Mind 03 Jan 2006
it's all about public health. The idea to modulate aging in humans began long ago, well before Aubrey and Ray entered the scene, and in the end the work that will lead to an ability to modulate aging in humans will be done by the very researchers that Aubrey criticizes. This is Aubrey's biggest mistake
Jay, I have read many statements by Aubrey's critics, and I must say he has every right to be critical of them. The critics have mostly produced emotional tirades filled with ad hominen attacks (except for you). They do not sound like learned scientists but spoiled children who aren't getting enough attention. It is quite sad. We are at a point to make real progress. There are so many new tools at our disposal, and yet so many people in a position to do something about it, are being unreasonable.
Also, Aubrey isn't peddling snake oil. He is peddling research ideas, as you eventually pointed out in your 60 minutes interview.
ag24 03 Jan 2006
I expect a few people will comment on SENS in Oxford, even if only in response to questions.
Karomesis 03 Jan 2006
Aubrey, were you privy to Rays interview? Did he start talking about uploading and scare the crap out of 60 minutes staff?
reason 04 Jan 2006
http://www.futurepun...203.html#003203
"Those of us who promote the idea of full body rejuvenation as an achievable goal have seen this cause come a long way from the fringe to the mainstream. About 8 or 9 years ago Aubrey was discussing rejuvenation with a small handful of us on the Usenet group sci.life-extension. Gradually he's made it into major print publications and TV with the idea that aging is curable."
JonesGuy 15 Jan 2006
kevin 15 Jan 2006
JonesGuy 15 Jan 2006
Kevin, I was looking at the mprize site, and I see that you got exposure through various local news channels. I didn't realise you did all that work. Well done, and thanks.
A couple hundred members ain't so bad!
kevin 15 Jan 2006
I see that you got exposure through various local news channels..
one of my biggest assets is my mouth..
A couple hundred members ain't so bad!
We are far exceeding our own expectations and the pace set by the X-Prize in their early days...
One of my favorite quotes..
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. " - Margaret Mead
edit: I just got it that when I said a couple three hundred members you took it to mean two to three hundred members when actually I was referring to the the "Three Hundred" which is a group of soon to be three hundred individuals who are donating a couple bucks a day 25 years.. The program encouraged two individuals to sign up in that special capacity..
mrfesta 04 Feb 2006
Video URL: http://www.youtube.com/?v=_0jO5okttC4
Live Forever 04 Feb 2006
Anyways, the more votes this one gets (at 5 stars), it will move up to being a "top rated" video and more exposure.
Edited by liveforever22, 04 February 2006 - 10:19 PM.
jaydfox 07 Feb 2006
By the way, keep your eyes open for the March issue of The Scientist -- you're in for a shocking (pleasant) surprise!!!
The Scientist article will surely get your attention!!
Jay, you were practically giddy to tell us of this forthcoming article; do you know when exactly it's supposed to be available? Will you post a link here at ImmInst for those who don't trawl The Scientist's website daily? Can we get more of a sneak preview than what little you've already said in this thread?However, for an important new development on this issue, I would direct your attention to a forthcoming issue of The Scientist -- as I said earlier, you're about to be pleasantly shocked!!!
kevin 07 Feb 2006
sjayo 07 Feb 2006
S. Jay Olshansky
Live Forever 07 Feb 2006
Jay, as a reward, I created a wikipedia page for you: http://en.wikipedia....._Jay_Olshansky
kevin 17 Feb 2006
Well, not really I guess -- it's just not appropriate to discuss details before publication.
No matter how hard I tried to pry.. this was the response I got from the sales editor..
I'll actually be using arguments right out of my disseration
More than a few researchers I've talked to say that pretty much all of their work is based on the fundamental ideas they worked up in their thesis. Just think how gratifying it will be to see things evolve over the next 50 years .. you may have to revisit your roots a few more times..
Da55id 21 Feb 2006
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm
Dave
Bruce Klein 25 Feb 2006
As you've done so beautifully for S. Jay Olshansky, I'm having trouble adding my pic from here: http://www.imminst.org/bjklein/ to http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bruce_Klein ...would you have time to help in this regard?
opales 25 Feb 2006
Brief article on Drudgereport - which as you know is the most popular internet "tabloid". Great coverage for LE.
Either that was a dynamic link you provided or we just have a completely different notion about LE [tung]
Hold on to your condoms!
Oprah interviewed a woman on Thursday who had engaged in sex with more than 90 men during her life and who was keeping an ongoing list and a video diary about these encounters!
Not to be confused with Howard Stern, Oprah asked: "So you've had men ejaculate in your face?"
Live Forever 25 Feb 2006
Hiya, liveforever22.
As you've done so beautifully for S. Jay Olshansky, I'm having trouble adding my pic from here: http://www.imminst.org/bjklein/ to http://en.wikipedia....iki/Bruce_Klein ...would you have time to help in this regard?
Sure thing mack daddy, tis done.
kevin 25 Feb 2006
wassname 27 Feb 2006
I was watching it with some mates. Two reckoned that they would only want to live to 80 unless everyone was living longer too, a few got bored and left. And they agreed 'hes a nutter' as soon as they say Aubry.
opales 02 Mar 2006
It's a full anti-aging spread of four feature articles scheduled for print and online release Feb 26. More than that I could not find out..
It's already March 2. When is this coming out?
sjayo 02 Mar 2006
We are calling for a massive national and international effort to slow aging in humans under the premise that by doing so, humanity would reap a series of "Longevity Dividends" -- a gift to humanity from our generation to most current and all future generations. What is new here is the articulation of the "dividends" and the "target". I'll present this idea formally at the World Forum meeting in Oxford on the 15th of this month, but this is just the beginning of our effort to make this happen.
S. Jay Olshansky
opales 02 Mar 2006
We are calling for a massive national and international effort to slow aging in humans under the premise that by doing so, humanity would reap a series of "Longevity Dividends" -- a gift to humanity from our generation to most current and all future generations. What is new here is the articulation of the "dividends" and the "target". I'll present this idea formally at the World Forum meeting in Oxford on the 15th of this month, but this is just the beginning of our effort to make this happen.
S. Jay Olshansky
Welcome home Jay, welcome home [thumb] I knew you had it in you all along.