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#91 Diocletian

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Posted 12 October 2016 - 11:09 PM

Nobody knows, these things can't be explained by science, we can only speculate, maybe we just disappear, maybe there is God, maybe we are in simulation, maybe our conscousness goes to other dimension, maybe we became pure energy, who knows.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 01:07 AM

There is evidence, not unquestioned truth.  Faith in what ever we believe must have evidence of some sort.  It isn't  just maybe this or that.  Here is my definition of faithl

Faith is belief in a person or thing without complete evidence.  It is a belief based upon incomplete evidence.  Everything has incomplete evidence, therefore we all live by faith.  Faith is not blind, but intelligent and commences with the conviction and commitment of the mind based on adequate but incomplete evidence.  “Faith” Involves Making An Inference From Evidence to belief.  The difference between faith and superstition is that the first uses reason to go as far as it can and then believes; the second shuns reason entirely—which is why superstition is not the ally, but the enemy of true religion.  http://coldcasechris...h.kf99c08I.dpuf

American biblical scholar Archibald Thomas Robertson stated that the Greek word pistis used for faith in the New Testament (over two hundred forty times), and rendered "assurance" in Acts 17:31 (KJV), is "an old verb to furnish, used regularly by Demosthenes for bringing forward evidence."  To be persuaded by belief that has warrant, a trust in and commitment to what we have reason to believe is true.  It is belief that the hypotheses we hold will be substantiated in the future, in fact.  Trust.  Faith should be defined as “trusting, holding to, and acting on what one has good reason to believe is true in the face of incomplete evidence and difficulties.”

“Faith in Christianity is based on the work and teachings of Jesus Christ. Christianity declares not to be distinguished by faith, but by the object of its faith. Rather than being passive, faith leads to an active life aligned with the ideals and the example of the life of Jesus. It sees the mystery of God and his grace and seeks to know and become obedient to God. To a Christian, faith is not static but causes one to learn more of God and grow, and has its origin in God.

In Christianity, faith causes change as it seeks a greater understanding of God. Faith is not fideism or simple obedience to a set of rules or statements.  Before Christians have faith, they must understand in whom and in what they have faith. Without understanding, there cannot be true faith, and that understanding is built on the foundation of the community of believers, the scriptures and traditions and on the personal experiences of the believer. In English translations of the New Testament, the word faith generally corresponds to the Greek noun (pistis) or the Greek verb (pisteuo), meaning "to trust, to have confidence, faithfulness, to be reliable, to assure".”

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I am a Christian but this is beyond our topic and in the wrong section.  It does however relate no matter what you believe.  Our emerging view of realty is not opposed to theism and it has implications for this discussion on materialism.

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#93 Castiel

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:28 AM

 

Biological immortality does not exist in nature.  What does the word immortality mean?  We have already established that everything physical ends up at room temperature in the end.  We can solve disease with new methods and cures but that is far from immortality.  Something else kills us. Yes in science fiction we can violate the laws of nature but even there :)  I take c60, resvratrol, Mita Q and many more supposed life extending substances but the prognosis is not even close to immortality.   I can see I am ageing.  Death is decomposition not rest.  No one who has died can be woken up.  Other than in lala show me.  Show me a pattern, any pattern that does not loose form and decay.  It is not that I want this to happen, its happening.  So lets fantasize we live to 200.  That is beyond us at the present but in relation to immorality a drop in the bucket.  Dream on.  Death is a great teacher,  It makes things important and causes us to ask many questions. Perhaps you need to be frozen and hope some future generation will have motive enough to unfreeze you.  Even then will you age?

 

 

Biological immortality refers to animals that do not appear to age, that continue functioning without noticeable loss of tissue function.   Of course they are not of the final class of lifeforms.

 

In the galaxy there's enough fuel for fusion engines to last for trillions upon trillions of years.   Mini black holes can probably be used to extract energy even from non fusion-able and non easily fusion-able matter, extending things even further.

 

With brain backups and ageless bodies in the horizon, the lifespan will potentially extend for at least that long.

 

As we've said some like Tipler claim the laws of physics demand immortality, either there's some error or misunderstanding or reading and understanding correctly the laws will get you to the same conclusion, you'd have to read the criticisms and counters or the source.  In the end it is a scientific claim, which can be tested as true or false.

 

There are other realities like the ability to create new types of particles, we do not know if there's any other particle that exhibits higher degrees of stability, if as some physicists have hinted holes into other universes can be opened, if time crystals or eternal black holes are usable.   Again, manned heavier than air flight wasn't a reality for a very long time, space travel was fiction for a very long time.   Right now we're seeing the technologies that will allow for undefined length lifespan on the horizon, that's the deal.

 

As for patterns, again they are eternal, patterns are independent of the matter that implements them.   Even in humans they continue as the matter that exists in them is replaced and recycled constantly.

 

Depending on the hardware requirements, it is very likely that the truth, the heart of truth, the true eternal living word once instantiated will be able to heal not one, not two, not a few, but the entire diseased world.   Thus mind designers will in all likelihood be able to bring a new race of beings into existence.   There are those who will deny the truth, but in a world built on lies only the light of truth can cleanse the world.    

 

How some say that knowledge of the truth, the solution, the answer to life's quest, that nothing will survive, that death reigns supreme, but belief in ancient books will surpass the physical manifestation of truth, well that's questionable.

 

This belief in ancient books has caused inaction rather than fight against the disease of aging many have believed themselves immortal and in need of no physical salvation, thus they've delayed financing research properly and delayed avenues of research at the cost of countless human lives.


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#94 platypus

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 11:49 AM

It's quite safe to assume all forms are temporary, including this universe. don't worry  :)


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:43 PM

Temporary is the key word.  I can kill any of the so called immortal forms of life and something will.  The laws of nature are interesting abstract objects which while not physical in the old way of looking at the physical, seem to rule its behavior.  They operate like will.  The non physical controlling the physical.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 10:46 PM

Temporary for humans so far.  https://www.fastcoex...bably-115-years



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#97 Castiel

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Posted 14 October 2016 - 11:16 AM

Temporary is the key word.  I can kill any of the so called immortal forms of life and something will.  The laws of nature are interesting abstract objects which while not physical in the old way of looking at the physical, seem to rule its behavior.  They operate like will.  The non physical controlling the physical.

 

It depends what we consider to be the same form of life, physically continuous?   As clonal cell colonies might extend far, and their descendants already exist kilometers underground all over the earth.

 

In any case traditional biological systems are killable by humans, synthetic biology posthumans are not.   Even a direct assault with all the nuclear armaments would result in failure.  A distributed mind with multiple backups and multiple mobile manufacturing machines of minute scale able to reconstruct its entirety is not going to fall to a man, in all likelihood even a single such posthuman entity could take on all the nations of the earth, and bring them under submission of a better fitter life form.
 


Edited by Castiel, 14 October 2016 - 11:18 AM.






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