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#31 Mr Serendipity

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 01:30 PM

Milk from the bible could be goat, cow or camel, fresh milk depending on your genes may be good for you. That being said, as far as health benifits, the evidence for supermarket milk commonly available is that it's junk food.


Still even fresh milk from cow's, seems to leach vitamin D from bones, and the store stuff is full of boiled puss. You say you debunked the most recent research, you should consider contacting Stanford scientists and let them know.... ;-)

 

I'm not going to waste my time debating someone who doesn't provide references to their statements (leeches vitamin D from the bones, full of boiled puss), and then copies and pastes text from a website for his side of the debate (which also doesn't provide references).

 

As for "debunking", I've never used that word to describe what I was doing. Because I didn't "debunk" the research. What I actually did was read the research you and guru provided, and realised most of the studies didn't back up your interpretation of "milk is bad" or "milk is junk food" at all.

 

But there is no point debating you. When you come up with ludicrous comparisons such as "Japan has the lowest intake of milk globally, and the lowest risk of heart disease.". Without even considering how unique Japan is when it comes to their diets and lifestyle. I'm sure their low heart disease has nothing to do with their high consumption of omega 3 fats, iodine, and their proper consumption of calories to be a healthy weight (rather than become obese).

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 01:49 AM

Milk from the bible could be goat, cow or camel, fresh milk depending on your genes may be good for you. That being said, as far as health benifits, the evidence for supermarket milk commonly available is that it's junk food.

Still even fresh milk from cow's, seems to leach vitamin D from bones, and the store stuff is full of boiled puss. You say you debunked the most recent research, you should consider contacting Stanford scientists and let them know.... ;-)


I'm not going to waste my time debating someone who doesn't provide references to their statements (leeches vitamin D from the bones, full of boiled puss), and then copies and pastes text from a website for his side of the debate (which also doesn't provide references).

As for "debunking", I've never used that word to describe what I was doing. Because I didn't "debunk" the research. What I actually did was read the research you and guru provided, and realised most of the studies didn't back up your interpretation of "milk is bad" or "milk is junk food" at all.

But there is no point debating you. When you come up with ludicrous comparisons such as "Japan has the lowest intake of milk globally, and the lowest risk of heart disease.". Without even considering how unique Japan is when it comes to their diets and lifestyle. I'm sure their low heart disease has nothing to do with their high consumption of omega 3 fats, iodine, and their proper consumption of calories to be a healthy weight (rather than become obese).

https://www.bustle.c...-is-bad-for-you
All refrences listed from the article I copy pasted, enjoy.... ☺

Also there is a relationship between igf and milk. Some have theorized that this is another reason japan has the longest life expediency another piece of a bigger picture perhaps.
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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:27 AM

Some more information for you to try and refute...


http://www.peta.org/...dairy-industry/

http://milk.procon.o...sourceID=000661


http://abcnews.go.co...tory?id=8450036


http://nutrigenomics...ose_Intolerance

http://www.naturalne...ilk_asthma.html

http://www.pcrm.org/...tures-and-death

http://www.medscape....warticle/834247

http://ajcn.nutritio.../504.long#aff-1

http://ajcn.nutritio...89/5/1638S.full

http://www.theguardi...nddrink.weekend


http://www.hsph.harv...ium-full-story/

http://www.motherjon...t-cows-estrogen

http://news.harvard....7/11-dairy.html

http://www.motherjon...t-cows-estrogen

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/9247884

http://www.cancer.or...-growth-hormone

https://www.ncbi.nlm...cles/PMC468678/

http://www.pcrm.org/...evidence-mounts

http://www.nature.co...jc2014544a.html

http://www.pcrm.org/...-dairy-products

http://www.sciencedi...081005965006983

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18037552

http://www.nytimes.c...otics.html?_r=0

http://www.andjrnl.o...nd_pc_113_2.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15692464


http://onlinelibrary...09.04002.x/full
https://books.google...disease&f=false
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Posted 01 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

I'm not going to waste my time trying to refute research, because you've blurred the lines on what exactly this debate is about. 

 

The view I've always held, was that milk itself is not inheritably bad, a junk food, or a poison. It is simply a food that contributes to your diet, and as long as you're not allergic or intolerant to it, then it's fine to consume. That is my debate.

 

And I've also made my other view clear, that modern farming methods which incorporate things such as growth hormones, antibiotics, and pesticides which can end up in the milk, should be cause for concern on their possible health implications with people. However I'm not debating the farming methods of modern day milk, I'm debating milk the food.

 

So when you post these studies, nearly 100% of them rely on data of people's drinking habits of milk over the past decades, and any correlation to the diseases they've developed during that time. These are the same people who are a victim of milk sourced and treated using modern farming methods, with all the stuff that goes along with that (hormones, pesticides, antibiotics). 

 

So unless you find studies which show the nutritional components of milk such as the proteins, fats, vitamins, lactose or whatever else natural milk is composed of; or milk itself, the naturally sourced kind free from contamination of growth hormones, antibiotics, or pesticides; causing cancer, osteoporosis, or other diseases in people who are not allergic or intolerant to milk, only then will I believe milk is bad for you.

 

Also do you read any of the studies you post? 

 

Some of them are reposts from earlier. The other half of them relate to people who are intolerant or allergic to milk. Other's relate to bacteria, pesticides, toxic fungal, superbugs found in milk causing the problems. None of these studies prove that non contaminated milk is bad to people who aren't allergic or intolerant to milk.

 

Posting studies of people who are allergic or intolerant to eggs doesn't make eggs bad for people who can tolerate them.

 

Posting studies of eggs being contaminated by bacteria (salmonella), pesticides, toxic fungal, or superbugs, doesn't make non contaminated eggs bad to eat.

 

So how can you apply the same logic to milk? You can't.

 

I will end this debate, because this isn't a debate. You have no idea what your debating, whether it's milk or milk itself. You don't rebuttal any point I make (such as my points in post 20), you only dismiss them and post unrelated research to the point you're trying to prove, so essentially you're not debating anything.

 

So unless you can pull up research to this one question: Is non-contaminated natural organic milk bad for people who are not allergic or intolerant to milk?

 

Then I have no idea what you're trying to argue. Sadly I doubt there is any research available on this yet, and until there is, I don't see there is any proof that milk is inheritably bad for you.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:33 PM

I want to bring this topic back on course to what it was originally intended.

 

So a little update on my situation. I'm still drinking lactose free milk pretty regularly, the semi skinned variety, but am also now introducing the skimmed variety.

 

The effects I've experienced are much less appetite where I can easily skip lunch now, where as before I only use to skip breakfast. The other effect I'm getting is less mental tiredness during the day, where as before I would regularly get mentally tired after 20 minutes of studying. 

 

The only thing I can say, is maybe milk stabilizes my blood sugar due to the high protein and low sugar content, thus giving constant energy to my brain. Also the extra amino acids may play a role in building the neurotransmitters.

 

However I've also been messing around with other things as well, so I can't contribute my experiences solely to milk. The past 2 weeks I've used weed recreationally a few times, I've also been listening to GAMMA isochronic tones, and have very recently the past few days, been making my milk with cocoa powder and xylitol.

 

I will be dropping the weed as it was a fun little experiment to try it again after so many years, but I can't see it benefiting my brain or waist line (munchies) by continuing to use it. I might have to drop the cocoa too, as it acts as a stimulant for me, and I seem to get a great mental boost and motivation from it the first few times, but today, I'm drinking a lot of it, and the stimulants seem to be making me tired. Then again I feel lately I've been going to bed late, and waking up the same time.

 

So for now I can't conclusively say milk has benefited my brain, as there are too many other factors currently involved. But I will continue to drink it, eventually drop the other things, and report back on my cognitive state.

 

I should be able to give an accurate report, because I'm trying to replace breakfast and lunch with only milk, and eat normally during the evening. So up until 6pm, I can analyse my mental state, as the only thing I should be consuming is milk and water.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:58 PM

Milk from 7-11 as a noot this thread is Utter garbage. Can't handle the research heat, stay off the forum with your pointless threads.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:11 AM

I'll waste no more time on you Ark, and leave you with the following scripture.

 

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." - Matthew 12:36

 

Anyway I wanted to post a quick update on today. So I drank around 1 and a half liters of milk, mixed with cocoa and xylitol today. My appetite has pretty much been crushed most of the day, and my procrastination is low, while my motivation is high. This is definitely from the cocoa powder, as it has always had a weird stimulating effect on my motivation. It's as if doing boring menial tasks is no problem, no hesitation, you just do them without a negative voice in your head wishing you were somewhere else. I also experience a feeling of a sense of possibility.

 

I did one task today which has been on the back burner for years. This was to setup some old HiFi system and speakers for my relative's TV (where there a load of unnecessary tangled cables and plugs behind the TV), and I just got to it and did it, was done within an hour, and my relative was so shocked. It's 1am now, and I'm only slightly tired. I'll see how long I can ride this cocoa wave for over the days, but will limit all cocoa to before 1pm to help avoid insomnia.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:53 AM

I'll waste no more time on you Ark, and leave you with the following scripture.

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." - Matthew 12:36

Anyway I wanted to post a quick update on today. So I drank around 1 and a half liters of milk, mixed with cocoa and xylitol today. My appetite has pretty much been crushed most of the day, and my procrastination is low, while my motivation is high. This is definitely from the cocoa powder, as it has always had a weird stimulating effect on my motivation. It's as if doing boring menial tasks is no problem, no hesitation, you just do them without a negative voice in your head wishing you were somewhere else. I also experience a feeling of a sense of possibility.

I did one task today which has been on the back burner for years. This was to setup some old HiFi system and speakers for my relative's TV (where there a load of unnecessary tangled cables and plugs behind the TV), and I just got to it and did it, was done within an hour, and my relative was so shocked. It's 1am now, and I'm only slightly tired. I'll see how long I can ride this cocoa wave for over the days, but will limit all cocoa to before 1pm to help avoid insomnia.


Luke 23:34

34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:34 AM

Ok Ark, I belive you've said your piece. Can you refrain from derailing this thread anymore, and let it get back to the topic in hand. Otherwise I will involve the mods. Thank you.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:40 AM

Ok Ark, I belive you've said your piece. Can you refrain from derailing this thread anymore, and let it get back to the topic in hand. Otherwise I will involve the mods. Thank you.



So let me get this straight, first you address me with bible quotes and then when I respond you offer to snitch to the mods, so you can get the last word in?

Get a grip, and enjoy your milk, I would have respected your request had you just asked btw.

Take care, it's been fun... I'll let people read the article's for themselves and let history decide who the fool was here.

Cheers, ark
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:35 AM

You were derailing the thread by just posting a Bible verse as a reply, which was completely unrelated to the verse I posted, and was intended to insult my intelligence because I disagree with you on milk "for they do not know what they are doing".

 

That verse I posted was to reprove your behaviour in this thread. You're meant to be Christian, and yet you insult anyone or speak to them in a derogatory tone, just because you disagree with them on milk. I don't think Jesus would approve of your behaviour, do you?

 

Here are some examples: 

 

So many neg reps from people brain washed by the milk industry's pr campaign.


Next google search for you guys after Milk, should be "cognitive dissonance".

 

I feel like your response indicates you can't be educated by friendly debate, because you already think your right, and have ignored the evidence.

 

Also the milk from the bible and the milk you grab from 7-11 are different all together. Honestly do you work for the milk industry?...

 

Sorry this is pointless you obviously have a invested interest in being correct. I won't waste any more of either of our times and respectfully am inclined to let you continue on with your milkstash.

 

Milk from 7-11 as a noot this thread is Utter garbage. Can't handle the research heat, stay off the forum with your pointless threads.

 

So let me get this straight, first you address me with bible quotes and then when I respond you offer to snitch to the mods, so you can get the last word in?


Get a grip, and enjoy your milk, I would have respected your request had you just asked btw. 

Take care, it's been fun... I'll let people read the article's for themselves and let history decide who the fool was here.

 

 

Does that sound like a friendly debate to you? I don't think so.

 

I wanted to give you a friendly debate (which you requested btw), but you don't debate, you just act dismissive and insulting. You've continued to blur the lines of what the debate was about, and when we clarified it's on natural milk free from contamination and modern day farming, you post research that doesn't take these into account as your rebuttal. This whole thread was one big trolling fest for you, and you act like I can't handle the research when you can't debate in a friendly manner any of the points I made.

 

And who uses the word "snitch" anyway. Are you in prison or part of a gang or something? I can't "snitch" on anything, if you haven't broken any of the forum rules. This to me implies you knew you were breaking the rules by trolling and insulting, and when I stated the action I would take, you were worried about the consequences of getting a warning from the mods and once again resulted to insults before making your exit. I'm sure indeed history will decide who the fool was here.

 

Anyway as you've said you would have respected my request, I'll put that claim to the test, and hope to not see anymore replies from you within this thread.

 

As for an update on my milk experiences. I've had 2 cups of hot cocoa so far. Gonna make myself some more now, and will post my experiences on how it's effected my cognition and behaviour later on.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:52 AM

You were derailing the thread by just posting a Bible verse as a reply, which was completely unrelated to the verse I posted, and was intended to insult my intelligence because I disagree with you on milk "for they do not know what they are doing".

That verse I posted was to reprove your behaviour in this thread. You're meant to be Christian, and yet you insult anyone or speak to them in a derogatory tone, just because you disagree with them on milk. I don't think Jesus would approve of your behaviour, do you?

Here are some examples:





So many neg reps from people brain washed by the milk industry's pr campaign.

Next google search for you guys after Milk, should be "cognitive dissonance".


I feel like your response indicates you can't be educated by friendly debate, because you already think your right, and have ignored the evidence.

Also the milk from the bible and the milk you grab from 7-11 are different all together. Honestly do you work for the milk industry?...

Sorry this is pointless you obviously have a invested interest in being correct. I won't waste any more of either of our times and respectfully am inclined to let you continue on with your milkstash.

Milk from 7-11 as a noot this thread is Utter garbage. Can't handle the research heat, stay off the forum with your pointless threads.

So let me get this straight, first you address me with bible quotes and then when I respond you offer to snitch to the mods, so you can get the last word in?
Get a grip, and enjoy your milk, I would have respected your request had you just asked btw.

Take care, it's been fun... I'll let people read the article's for themselves and let history decide who the fool was here.



I wanted to give you a friendly debate (which you asked for btw), but you don't debate, you just act dismissive and insulting. You've continued to blur the lines of what the debate was about, and when we clarified it's on natural milk free from contamination and modern day farming, you post research that doesn't take these into account as your rebuttal. This whole thread was one big trolling fest for you, and you act like I can't handle the research when you can't debate in a friendly manner any of the points I made.

And who uses the word "snitch" anyway. Are you in prison or part of a gang or something? I can't "snitch" on anything, if you haven't broken any of the forum rules. This to me implies you knew you were breaking the rules by trolling and insulting, and when I stated the action I would take, you were worried about the consequences of getting a warning from the mods and once again resulted to insults before making your exit. I'm sure indeed history will decide who the fool was here.

Anyway as you have said you would have respected my request, I'll put that claim to the test, and hope to not see anymore replies from you within this thread.

As for an update on my milk experiences. I've had 2 cups of hot cocoa so far. Gonna make myself some more, and will post my experiences on how it's effected my cognition and behaviour later on.



Listen Pal, stop antagonizing and let it rest your highlighting posts painting me as a troll is just the otherside of the looking glass.

Stop adressing me and I'll stay off your thread.

Btw, - So this post isn't to off-topic I'll add this tidbit of milk related information below.




Abstract
Objective To examine whether high milk consumption is associated with mortality and fractures in women and men.
Design Cohort studies.
Setting Three counties in central Sweden.
Participants Two large Swedish cohorts, one with 61 433 women (39-74 years at baseline 1987-90) and one with 45 339 men (45-79 years at baseline 1997), were administered food frequency questionnaires. The women responded to a second food frequency questionnaire in 1997.
Main outcome measure Multivariable survival models were applied to determine the association between milk consumption and time to mortality or fracture.
Results During a mean follow-up of 20.1 years, 15 541 women died and 17 252 had a fracture, of whom 4259 had a hip fracture. In the male cohort with a mean follow-up of 11.2 years, 10 112 men died and 5066 had a fracture, with 1166 hip fracture cases. In women the adjusted mortality hazard ratio for three or more glasses of milk a day compared with less than one glass a day was 1.93 (95% confidence interval 1.80 to 2.06). For every glass of milk, the adjusted hazard ratio of all cause mortality was 1.15 (1.13 to 1.17) in women and 1.03 (1.01 to 1.04) in men. For every glass of milk in women no reduction was observed in fracture risk with higher milk consumption for any fracture (1.02, 1.00 to 1.04) or for hip fracture (1.09, 1.05 to 1.13). The corresponding adjusted hazard ratios in men were 1.01 (0.99 to 1.03) and 1.03 (0.99 to 1.07). In subsamples of two additional cohorts, one in males and one in females, a positive association was seen between milk intake and both urine 8-iso-PGF2α (a biomarker of oxidative stress) and serum interleukin 6 (a main inflammatory biomarker).
Conclusions High milk intake was associated with higher mortality in one cohort of women and in another cohort of men, and with higher fracture incidence in women. Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended.

http://www.bmj.com/c...t/349/bmj.g6015
Peace

P.s. My personal religious beliefs are none of your business and you have no right to preach to me while spreading ignorance, as if your actions aren't the result of our current conflict of opinion.

My religious beliefs aren't on trial, your spot reading on the research and proclamations on milks benifits are. You have posted nothing but your muttered opinion and played the weak victom card as if you have been hurt by the words you read. I for one call bs and your cries to distract everyone from the facts I've posted is a crying shame.

Any further remarks towards me please p.m. me, and we can continue you really want too. I'm personally uninterested in continuing diluting the information I posted with this pointless bickering back and forth. Instead of trying to battle with me, why not post some information backing your points of view? Also you make fun of the way I convay knowledge and dismiss the value of incorporating other culteres fupahs into your own, well that's your loss.


Cheers and hopefully goodbye.

Ark

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:21 PM

I don't need to paint you as a troll, I think you've done that all by yourself with what you've posted.

 

There's a saying here in Britain, "he can dish it out, but he can't take it.".

 

It was perfectly fine for you to throw insults around for an entire week on this thread, and we were expected not to find that antagonizing of course. But when I address this issue of your unfriendly behaviour, all of a sudden I'm antagonizing you...

 

Just please stay off this thread, and then I won't need to address you anymore will I.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:05 PM

Reply to you PS which you added later on.

 

I have nothing against your religious beliefs, as I'm a born again Christian going on 7 years. I believe in the Bible 100%, in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour, that He is God manifest in the flesh, and he died on the cross for our sins and was risen up again 3 days later and is still alive today. I also believe in Creationism and not Evolution. And if you are truly born again, I respect you more than any non-believer in this world, because admitting you're a sinner that needs saving, and accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour, is the ultimate act of humility in my mind.

 

So I would like to apologise for any of my non Christian like behaviour in this thread, personally toward Ark and anyone else. One thing I definitely did wrong, was trying to rebuke your behaviour openly rather than through PM. And I'd like to apologise for this all getting out of hand. So please forgive me for this.

 

As for the debate on milk. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. And I'll continue to post my experience with it.

 

Also Ark I don't want to ban you from this thread outright. If you want to post your research on milk, then that's fine. But let's both try and leave any antagonization out of our words, and put the rest of the hostility previously in this thread, where it belongs in the past.

 

 


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 12:56 PM

OK, to give you an update on my experience and plan.

 

Yesterday I crashed and had to nap during the day, due to lack of quality sleep I've been getting lately. My sleep pattern was pretty solid, until I started messing around with cocoa, gamma tones, and weed. So basically I'm dropping all 3 now.

 

I knew Cocoa has a very strong stimulating effect on me, as I've experimented with it before, and I've had insomnia just by eating dark chocolate too near to bed time. Gamma tones, I feel they were doing something (and as others reported can cause insomnia), but this I cannot confirm. The weed was just something I tried a few times because my cousin had some, but have no interest in pursuing. The amount of weed I smoked as well, was less than 1/4 of a spliff (or a maximum of 4 drags), and did it around 3 times within a week. 

 

Anyway I will be dropping all 3 of these, and focusing back on milk consumption alone. Also no xylitol, as that was just used to sweeten the hot cocoa.

 

As for my milk consumption, the plan is this:

 

1. Maximum 3 litres of milk a day, though my aim is 2 litres of milk.

 

2. I will consume 1 banana for every litre of milk. This is because even though I have no problem digesting lactofree milk. Later on during the day, I will get a lot of flatulance if I have only drunk milk and ate nothing else. This is because I've had no fibre for me to go to the toilet.

 

3. I will be switching from semi-skimmed milk to skimmed milk. This is not to save on calories as the calorific difference per litre is only a mere 70. This is not because I think animal fat is evil or bad. It's simply because in light of the research posted on here, the correlation of cancer and milk only applied to the full fat milk. And this I believe, is due to fat in milk storing the contaminants of growth and other hormones they give to cattle.

 

4. Try and avoid any other food or drink, except banana's and milk, up until evening dinner. I.e. From 9am-6:30pm, my main food source should be bananas and milk.

 

 

For anyone interested, this is the Milk I consume: https://www.mysuperm...ed_Milk_1L.html

 

 

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Nutrition: Nutrient per 100ml per 200ml Energy kCal 33kCal 66kCal Energy kJ 141kJ 282kJ Protein 3.8g 7.6g Carbohydrate 3.6g 7.2g of which sugars 2.6g 5.2g Fat 0.4g 0.8g of which saturates 0.3g 0.6g Salt 0.1g 0.2g

 

Vitamin B12** 0.8µg (32% RI¿) 1.6µg (64% RI¿) Calcium** 130mg (16% RI¿) 260mg (33% RI¿)

 

So if I consume the 2 litres in my plan, I will be consuming:

 

  • 76g - Protein
  • 72g - Carbs 
  • 8g - Fat
  • 16µg - Vitamin B12 (640% RDA)
  • 2.6g - Calcium (330% RDA)
  • 660 - Calories

 

I believe any nootropic effect I experience from milk, will be due to the low calorific intake, but high protein. This should provide stable blood sugar and energy, as well as giving my body plenty of amino acids for neurotransmitters. The higher B12 intake should also help.

 

As for what effects I've noticed so far?

 

I can't really be sure due to all the other factors (cocoa, weed, gamma tones). But I feel I can write more fluently and easily, and I'm much more clear and succinct. Also I feel I've experienced appetite suppression. That's it so far, but like I've said, it hasn't been a fair test. Even though my consumption of milk has increased the past week and a half, I would like to isolate it to see it's effects before I come to any conclusions, hence why my plan is to only drink Milk and eat bananas from 9am-6:30pm, and no other food or drink.


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 05:36 PM

How good or bad milk is for you depends on your genetics.  Dairy consumption is very new to the human genome - but new doesn't necessarily mean bad.  The oldest established mutations enabling lactase persistence have been traced back to about 10,000 years old, and lactase persistence was selected multiple times in different groups of humans on different continents shortly after the global advent of agriculture about 12,000 years ago.  Keep in mind that I'm saying mutations in the plural - since this same adaptation arose across different groups, there are different mutations that trigger the human body to produce lactase past the age of weaning.

 

Now what does this all mean in an evolutionary context - something very special happened here.  The sudden availability of milk was so immediately advantageous that these mutations were positively selected in a manner like that.  From a biological perspective, such a thing is a powerful signal.

 

However, these mutations have yet to spread to even half of the total human population.  This is partly because they're so new to the scene (on an evolutionary timescale, we just started farming last night), and partly because we are spread out all over the planet.  But I noticed that someone posted the Wiki page on lactose tolerance so you can see the general regions where the mutations originally occurred and which ethnic groups carry them.

 

 

 

Manny asked: "Is non-contaminated natural organic milk bad for people who are not allergic or intolerant to milk?"

 

The general answer is no.  

 

Milk represents easy carbs, easy protein, easy fatty acids, and many bioactive nutrients found in the animal kingdom that we absorb best as omnivores.  For example, milk is sole reason Jainism survived to see the age of industrialization - because Jains are the closest things to vegans in history, yet they still had to make an allowance for something from the animal kingdom in order to obtain sufficient amounts of cobalamin.     Otherwise the religion could never have sustained a breeding group of humans at the generational level.

 

There are some finer details however, which may concern people with specific mutations where drinking a lot of milk might not be awesome for them - for example, if they are sensitive to high choline foods.

 

And of course, we know not all milk is created equal.  That matters too.


Edited by Duchykins, 12 March 2017 - 05:40 PM.

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#47 pamojja

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:53 PM

For anyone interested, this is the Milk I consume: https://www.mysuperm...ed_Milk_1L.html

 

 

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Personally wouldn't drink any milk so obviously denatured and laden with antibiotics and pesticides in such huge unnatural amounts and/or in the long run.
 



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Posted 12 March 2017 - 08:13 PM

 

For anyone interested, this is the Milk I consume: https://www.mysuperm...ed_Milk_1L.html

 

 

281074.jpg

 

Personally wouldn't drink any milk so obviously denatured and laden with antibiotics and pesticides in such huge unnatural amounts and/or in the long run.
 

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

I don't understand how people are thinking at times like this.  They're way off into the extremes.

 

 

 

"A little bit of this is good for us, therefore we should have a lot of this."

 

 

"A lot of this is bad for us, therefore we should have none of this."

 

 

Both of these are pathologically stupid lines of thought.







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