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#1 HighDesertWizard

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 05:22 PM


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The concept of Longevity Escape Velocity (cLEV) was much discussed years ago among Longevity Science Enthusiasts (LSE) and not much since. At the time, cLEV provided a rationale for being hopeful. As important, cLEV suggested that a dimension of aging underlying the observable fact of people aging at different rates could be expressed in an algorithm.

  • Estimate the increase (or decrease) in expected lifespan that takes place during a specific length period.
  • Divide the estimate by the length of time.

This conceptually simple ratio might be called Longevity Velocity.

 

Longevity Velocity is a ratio that can be calculated, at specific points in time, for immediately previous periods of time. It is the ratio of the length of time one's estimated remaining life span has increased or decreased during that period divided by the length of the period.*

 

For example, hypothetically, let's say that, over a period of 12 months...

  • one's expected remaining life span increased by 6 months.
  • one's estimated age, via some specific estimation technique, increased by 6 months.

In both examples, one's Longevity Velocity could be calculated as 0.5 (1/2). ( 6 months / 12 months = 1/2 ).

 

Fast forward a bit more than a decade...

 

 
Several recent studies and new health related online services make it possible now to imagine that Longevity Velocity can be calculated at regular intervals. These techniques are in early stages of development and much work needs doing to improve and standardize their use. But current shortcomings don't detract from this new reality. We will, someday, be able to calculate Longevity Velocity precisely enough that we can leverage the concept and measurement of it in us for benefit.

 

Published studies of the last few years suggest that we might soon be able to calculate Longevity Velocity to a degree of precision never before imagined.

  • Telomere length has been found to be a useful estimator of age and life expectancy.
  • Various Epigenetic Methylation patterns have also been found to be useful in estimating age and remaining life expectancy.

Several companies now provide services to measure these variables. It's early days, and the measurement quality is now uneven or unknown, but the services do exist.

 
The purpose of this thread is to discuss the variables and evolve an algorithm relevant to calculating Longevity Velocity and to provide a clear summary of the state of the discussion in a few posts at thread top as it proceeds.

 

Mind and Caliban have kindly agreed to make me a moderator of this thread so I can maintain topic recap summaries of the discussion...Here's what I imagine the first several posts in the thread should look like.

 

This Opening Post is post number 0 (zero) in this forum thread... This Opening Post +

  1. ... will always contain diagrams that clarify the current best algorithm for calculating Longevity Velocity we will have come up with
  2. ... will always contain an expression of the current best algorithm for calculating Longevity Velocity we will have come up with
  3. ... will contain reasons of dissent that emerges against that algorithm in OP + 2
  4. ... will contain references to the key scientific studies relevant to the ideas underlying the algorithm
  5. ... will contain references to the various services one may use to get testing done for personal calculation of Longevity Velocity
  6. ... will contain links to other Longecity threads or scientific studies that discuss means for increasing Longevity Velocity
  7. ... will contain links to data sets that we can use for testing of various algorithmic expressions of Longevity Velocity

In his great book, The Abolition of Aging: The forthcoming radical extension of healthy human longevity, David Wood highlights a set of key knowledge management tasks for the rejuveneering community. The first kind of content David notes people should be be able to access online knowledge about is this one...

  • The community's best thoughts as to credible roadmaps for progress that can be made in the rejuveneering project in the years ahead.

Over time, the most Credible Roadmaps will be those that are helpful in increasing Longevity Velocity. So our being able to calculate LV in standard ways and with some rigor will be helpful in assessing what's credible and what's not. Hence this thread...

 

A regular contributor at Longecity, Steve H, has recently written some great summary articles on various kinds of aging biomarkers, including some not included in the list above. Looking forward to learning more about these from Steve.

 

Thanks for the ideas, David and Steve!


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 13 August 2017 - 12:01 AM.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 07:45 PM

OP + 1... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... diagrams that clarify the current best algorithm for calculating Longevity Velocity we will have come up with
 


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 12 August 2017 - 11:51 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 02:24 PM

OP + 2... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... the current best algorithm for calculating Longevity Velocity we will have come up with

I am not especially familiar with notations to express algorithms. I'll be thrilled if those with Math/Stat backgrounds assist with upgraded algorithms and/or with instruction about how any current best algorithm should be expressed.
 
 
The algorithms below reflect the emerging consensus about a good algorithm for calculating Longevity Velocity...
 

 

Version 0.01...
 
LV = ( ERL @ time t1 - ERL @ time t0 ) / ( t1 - t0 )
 

where LV = Longevity Velocity,

      ERL = Estimated Remaining Lifespan

 

 

Version 0... 
 
LV = Length of the Increased or Decreased Estimate of Remaining Lifespan over a specific length of time     /     that specific length of time
 
     where LV = Longevity Velocity

 


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 12 August 2017 - 11:50 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:36 PM

OP + 3... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... reasons for dissent that emerge against the current best algorithm in OP + 2
 
 
 

About Version 0.01... It...

  • presumes that Estimated Remaining Lifespan can be determined with precision. It cannot and any algorithm including ERL should include information that conveys that ERL itself is a probabilistic value.
  • references ERL. But studies targeting Estimated Remaining Lifespan are few in number. More studies target Age Estimation. The algorithm should reflect this fact.

 


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 12 August 2017 - 11:46 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:40 PM

OP + 4... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... references to the key scientific studies relevant to the ideas underlying the algorithm...

 

 

Studies about Estimated Remaining Lifespan via techniques focusing on Epigenetic Methylation...

Studies about Estimated Remaining Lifespan via techniques focusing on Telomere Length...

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Studies about Estimated Remaining Lifespan via techniques focusing on both Epigenetic Methylation and Telomere Length...

AgeMeter... A new means for estimating age in the project/development stage. I like the name but don't know much it. Including it here because Longevity Science Movement (LSM) organizations are involved in promoting and/or developing it.

Edited by HighDesertWizard, 12 August 2017 - 11:43 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:42 PM

OP + 5... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... references to the various services one may use to get testing done for personal calculation of Longevity Velocity...

  

Telomere Length Measuring Services

 

 

Epigenetic Methylation Measuring Services

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Biological Function Measurement Services

AgeMeter is not yet a functional service but is being crowdfunded by longevity science movement organzations.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:46 PM

OP + 6... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... links to other Longecity threads or other sites that discuss means for increasing Longevity Velocity


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 12 August 2017 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 07:53 PM

OP + 7... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain...  links to data sets and/or google spreadsheet like documents that we can use for testing various algorithms purposed to calculate Longevity Velocity


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 12 August 2017 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:19 PM

Hey HDW... The algorithmic expression below seems better than the current best algorithm for calculating LV... Thoughts?

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LV = Length of the Increased or Decreased Estimate of Remaining Lifespan over a specific length of time     /     that specific length of time

where LV = Longevity Velocity

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Example...

  • Over the last year, John Smith's Estimated Remaining Lifespan increased by 8 months... His LV is now 0.667....    8 months / 12 months = 0.667

Edited by HighDesertWizard, 23 July 2017 - 02:41 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:51 PM

< SNIP >
Version 0...
 
LV = Length of the Increased or Decreased Estimate of Remaining Lifespan over a specific length of time     /     that specific length of time

where LV = Longevity Velocity

< SNIP >

 
Hey HDW... The algorithmic expression above can be improved. WHat do people think about this formulation?
 
LV = ( ERL @ time t1 - ERL @ time t0 ) / ( t1 - t0 )
 

where LV = Longevity Velocity,

      ERL = Estimated Remaining Lifespan


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 23 July 2017 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:54 PM

< SNIP >
Version 0...
 
LV = Length of the Increased or Decreased Estimate of Remaining Lifespan over a specific length of time     /     that specific length of time

where LV = Longevity Velocity

< SNIP >

 
Hey HDW... The algorithmic expression above can be improved. WHat do people think about this formulation?
 
LV = ( ERL @ time t1 - ERL @ time t0 ) / ( t1 - t0 )
 

where LV = Longevity Velocity,

      ERL = Estimated Remaining Lifespan

 
Hi... You're right. Thanks for posting this improved algorithmic expression for calculating LV. I will add it to the current, best algorithm post as Version 0.01...

Edited by HighDesertWizard, 23 July 2017 - 03:01 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:20 PM

Hey HDW... There are a couple problems with the current best algorithm expression...

  • It presumes that Estimated Remaining Lifespan can be determined with precision. It cannot and any algorithm including ERL should include information that conveys that ERL itself is a probabilistic value.
  • Studies targeting Estimated Remaining Lifespan are few in number. More studies target Age Estimation. The algorithm should reflect this fact.

Edited by HighDesertWizard, 23 July 2017 - 03:23 PM.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 03:30 PM

 

Hey HDW... There are a couple problems with the current best algorithm expression...

  • It presumes that Estimated Remaining Lifespan can be determined with precision. It cannot and any algorithm including ERL should include information that conveys that ERL itself is a probabilistic value.
  • Studies targeting Estimated Remaining Lifespan are few in number. More studies target Age Estimation. The algorithm should reflect this fact.

 

 

You're right on both counts. I'll add these two problems with the current best algorithmic expression to the OP + 2 post...

  • About the first... I'm not especially familiar with standard math/stat notations for expressing probability. I prefer that someone more knowledgeable provide a revised version of the algorithm to address this problem.
  • About the second... The algorithm can be enhanced to reference both ERL and Age determinations. I'm thinking that we wait a while before including this nuance in the algorithm itself.

Edited by HighDesertWizard, 23 July 2017 - 03:31 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2017 - 01:45 PM

 

OP + 1... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... the current best algorithm for calculating Longevity Velocity we will have come up with
 

Version 0.01...
 
LV = ( ERL @ time t1 - ERL @ time t0 ) / ( t1 - t0 )
 

where LV = Longevity Velocity,

      ERL = Estimated Remaining Lifespan

 

 

 

I believe the revised algorithm below improves the Version 0.01 algorithm...

 

LV =   (

            ( ERLs1 @ time t1 + ERLs2 @ time t1 [ + ERLsx @ time t1 ) ] ) -

            ( ERLs1 @ time t0 + ERLs2 @ time t0 [ + ERLsx @ time t0 ) ] )

            )

            /

           ( t1 - t0 )
 

where LV  = Longevity Velocity,

     ,ERL = Estimated Remaining Lifespan

     ,s1  = ERL estimation service #1

     ,s2  = ERL estimation service #2

     ,sx  = ERL estimation service #x

 

     ,t0  = datetime of beginning of period for which LV will be measured

     ,t1  = datetime of end of period for which LV will be measured

                 

             ,the numerator has a Period Data Type

     ,the denominator has a Period Data Type


Edited by HighDesertWizard, 30 July 2017 - 01:59 PM.


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Posted 30 July 2017 - 02:27 PM

OP + 3... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... references to the key scientific studies relevant to the ideas underlying the algorithm...

 

Studies about Estimated Remaining Lifespan via techniques focusing on Epigenetic Methylation...

Studies about Estimated Remaining Lifespan via techniques focusing on Telomere Length...

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Studies about Estimated Remaining Lifespan via techniques focusing on both Epigenetic Methylation and Telomere Length...

AgeMeter... A new means for estimating age in the project/development stage. I like the name but don't know much it. Including it here because Longevity Science Movement (LSM) organizations are involved in promoting and/or developing it.

Edited by HighDesertWizard, 30 July 2017 - 02:37 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:11 PM

I'll replace the current post for the OP + 4 with the following...

_________________________________________________

 

 

OP + 4... As the discussion proceeds, this post will contain... references to the various services one may use to get testing done for personal calculation of Longevity Velocity...

 

Telomere Length Measuring Services

 

 

 

 

Epigenetic Methylation Measuring Services

dhsH6WM.png

 

 

Biological Function Measurement Services

AgeMeter is not yet a functional service but is being crowdfunded by longevity science movement organzations.



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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:06 AM

I've changed the ordering of the first 7 posts after the opening post. From OP + 1 to OP + 6, I've moved them down to OP + 2 to OP + 7.

 

It seems to me that we'll need/want a graphic depiction of the algorithm that calculates Longevity Velocity. The new OP + 1 post will contain those diagrams.

 

I've got some ideas about what they should look like, but would be thrilled to have others contribute.

 

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