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[nomi]

Just ordered 2 units of bulk piracetam from them last week.

[wis]

[drmz]

they are pretty busy giving away free stuff ...................

grammar edit

Edited by drmz, 15 March 2006 - 05:06 PM.

[nomi]

details? lol

[drmz]

Just mail them nomi. Your order should be ok and i'm sure there is an explanation for the delay. My first comment was just a joke..... [wis]

[FunkOdyssey]

Your order should be ok and i'm sure there is an explanation for the delay.

Steve, Edward, and LifeMirage are all fighting for control of the one body they possess between the lot of them. The ongoing identity crisis has made shipping noots difficult -- they cannot decide which one of them should do the dirty packaging work, when making accounts to spam obscenities here is so much more fun.

[nomi]

hrm

[drmz]

hrm

Don't worry too much. Mail them and call your credit card company if you get no answer. Must be a way to get your money back. Maybe posting on a-v-a-n-t-l-a-b-s (PM Uniquenutrition on there ) helps.

[nomi]

I'm not worried about my money but the product but i guess ill see whats up when i get it.

[FunkOdyssey]

If you want to see high-level ninja evasive techniques in action, ask the three-headed UN monster (steve/ed/LM) for product CoA's.

[jaydfox]

high-level ninja evasive techniques

[":)]

[xanadu]

Far as I know, UN sells good stuff and ships fast. That's what I heard, anyway. Now that I heard they only have had 1 complaint in all the time they've been in business, I would definately consider buying from them if they had something I wanted. Only one complaint is very good because 1 person in 100 is a jerk and 1 in 1000 is a complete jerk that no one can satisfy. I haven't even heard any allegations against UN. Steve was accused of letting LM use his computer but that's not a crime. It does not pass the "so what?" test. The case against LM is weak but I admit that it's puzzling that the person on the phone denied being LM. It's also puzzling that Steve says he is president but someone else is listed in filing papers. One could be owner, the other president and a third party might be CEO. They may have changed positions since the papers were filed or simply put down the wrong data. I don't know. That too does not pass the so what test.

But that's just one person's opinion, so don't let it influence you. I could be wrong. Or not.

[kevink]

Funk already answered the question with ask for the CoA.

As for "trust", I've seen enough on here to leave a bad taste in my mouth about who's involved in UN.

[mitkat]

Funk already answered the question with ask for the CoA.

As for "trust", I've seen enough on here to leave a bad taste in my mouth about who's involved in UN.

With a spamming team as schizophrenic as theirs, I am surprised they've lasted this long. I thought they were all good, never bought anything, but now I am forever skeptical.

[jaydfox]

Far as I know, UN sells good stuff and ships fast. That's what I heard, anyway. Now that I heard they only have had 1 complaint in all the time they've been in business, I would definately consider buying from them if they had something I wanted. Only one complaint is very good because 1 person in 100 is a jerk and 1 in 1000 is a complete jerk that no one can satisfy.

Ironically enough, for whatever underhanded and/or illegal activities UNI might have been involved in or at least complicit with, they do seem to have good customer satisfaction/service. I can't comment on the "good stuff" remark, but "ships fast" seem to be a theme I've seen. Like you say, "That's what I heard, anyway."

I did find one other complaint on the internet (I wasn't even looking for a complaint) where UNI refused to cancel an order and give a refund, but apparently it wasn't enough of an inconvenience to file a complaint with the BBB. At any rate, for every complaint filed with the BBB, there are probably a dozen other people who had cause to complain but were too lazy.

Of course, they only just registered with the BBB a month ago. I don't know what happens if people want to complain and a business isn't registered. Does it create a registration? Does it get lost? Does it get associated with the correct company when that company finally does register?

I guess I should get to know the BBB better. [wis]

[scottl]

http://www.imminst.o...t=0

Unique Nutrition Inc. and Nubrain are two companies which have (in my experience) extremely poor customer service and extremely high prices. UNI will harass and insult you through e-mail if you request to cancel an order - not exactly professional behavior.

In all fairness to Nubrain, the owner of the company is very freindly and helpful. However, the people he hired to answer e-mail inquiries are very impatient and rude, IMO. However, their prices are no where near competitive. Their generic Aniracetam bears the UNI label, but they charge almost twice as much as UNI dose for the same amount of capsules and dosages (Nubrain = $45.00 for 40 x 750 mg; UNI = $24.99 for 40 x 750 mg).

you can read LifeMirage's reply below it

[DJS]

I used them once and received prompt service, although one of my bottles of Alpha GPC was all messed up inside. They said they would get me another bottle but never did. I guess I could have called them back and been persistent about it but I became lazy and never pursued it.

Anyway, from what I've read about UN, they are usually fast and consistent in their service. If this is your only concern then by all means give them your business. If, however, things like integrity matter to you, then I suggest you read all of the threads about them on these forums and think twice before buying from them.

[jaydfox]

At any rate, for every complaint filed with the BBB, there are probably a dozen other people who had cause to complain but were too lazy.

I guess I could have called them back and been persistent about it but I became lazy and never pursued it.

See! [huh]

[mitkat]

See! [huh]

*Jay becomes BBB spokesman in a valiant effort*

[nomi]

I used them once and received prompt service, although one of my bottles of Alpha GPC was all messed up inside.  They said they would get me another bottle but never did.  I guess I could have called them back and been persistent about it but I became lazy and never pursued it.

Anyway, from what I've read about UN, they are usually fast and consistent in their service.  If this is your only concern then by all means give them your business.  If, however, things like integrity matter to you, then I suggest you read all of the threads about them on these forums and think twice before buying from them.

Can you just tell me what people have said about the integrity of their piracetam and other products?

[mellow]

[rhdrury]

Steve, Edward, and LifeMirage are all fighting for control of the one body they possess between the lot of them.  The ongoing identity crisis has made shipping noots difficult -- they cannot decide which one of them should do the dirty packaging work, when making accounts to spam obscenities here is so much more fun.

amusing - but I personally find it hard to believe that LifeMirage and Unique Nutrition/Steve Sliwa are the same.
I have had email contact with both, on and off, for quite a while. If they were the same they would easily have known they were chatting to the same person.

They (sorry he) would have to be (a) total master(s) of obfuscation, have a very highly developed capacity to run two (or more) different personas concurrently depending on the context, or be genuinely multi-personalitied.

Whichever way, if true, I'd be seriously impressed.
I know nothing of Edward Younan.

If LifeMirage is false, is it possible that Steve Sliwa was too trusting and, unfortunately for him, stuck his neck out for what he thought was the truth?

[syr_]

amusing - but I personally find it hard to believe that LifeMirage and Unique Nutrition/Steve Sliwa are the same. 
I have had email contact with both, on and off, for quite a while.  If they were the same they would easily have known they were chatting to the same person.

I agree with you.
About customer service I dont know, the only place I have ordered something close to nootripics is CNW.

[jaydfox]

I know nothing of Edward Younan.

If LifeMirage is false, is it possible that Steve Sliwa was too trusting and, unfortunately for him, stuck his neck out for what he thought was the truth?

More information is becoming available as this matter unfolds. Edward Younan was president of UNI when they incorporated (or updated their corporate records) in July 2003. Steve was "VP" of UNI from at least mid-late 2003 to late 2004, based on how he signed his emails during that period. So Steve worked for Edward. We aren't sure what the current arrangement is, despite having asked numerous times.

Steve and Edward both used to work for Sherwyn's, where Lee Crost worked.

Since both Edward and Lee Crost would have had access to Steve's network (Edward because he was president of UNI, and Lee because he consulted for them as an advisor, if not in a greater capacity), the IP address information makes sense.

What is unclear is who was tampering with Sherwyn's website. Edward apparently worked at Sherwyn's until quite recently (can't say until what date), so perhaps he still had admin passwords to the website. If the passwords haven't been changed for a long time, perhaps even Steve still has them. Barring that, Lee would then be the obvious suspect.

Which leaves the question of who was chatting as LifeMirage while Lee Crost was talking on the phone with Prometheus and other directors. A computer terminal seems unlikely, since Lee was at work, and if his reason for "lying" about being LifeMirage was so that he didn't get caught at work, chatting on his desktop PC would be a big neon sign. Theories put forward by an individual I can't disclose suggest that Lee could have been chatting on his Blackberry when he was on the phone with Prometheus. While technically possible, this too seems quite bizarre: was he just standing around the shop, apparently within earshot if not open view of other staff and managers, furiously thumbing away at his Blackberry for hours straight?

I mean, yeah, I guess it's possible.

[jaydfox]

Now, as for whether Steve Sliwa is LifeMirage:

LifeMirage has been at least two different people. Even cursory examination of writing/grammar/spelling styles makes this point clear. It is claimed by the same person who suggested that LM was chatting on his Blackberry, that LifeMirage's second grammar/spelling style is a result of Lee Crost using his Blackberry: he thumbtypes fast and gets sloppy, especially when he's in a hurry.

However, the types of grammar and spelling mistakes I've seen are more consistent with a person who fundamentally doesn't understand written grammar, but merely writes the way it sounds. For example, ending a sentence and beginning a new one, when the first "sentence" was really a subordinate clause and should have been set off with a comma. It's difficult to say for sure how much one's grammar could degrade when speed typing: I myself often interchange words when I'm typing at my fastest, e.g., "Do you mean bulk, in as individual bulk?" So it's not outside the realm of plausibility that LM's second grammar style is just Lee on a Blackberry.

My only rebuttal to that is that there was a disclaimer that LifeMirage was re-crafting for leadership, which LM must have re-edited at least half a dozen times. Yet grammar and spelling mistakes of the sort I describe went uncorrected until leadership suggested he fix his grammar and spelling. LifeMirage asked leadership to do it for him.

The other possibility, then, is that the LifeMirage that can't spell or use correct grammar is really Lee Crost, and the one that can spell and use proper grammar is Lee Crost again, bothering to use a grammar/spell checker. Again, the lack of consistency in this area is puzzling, but not outside the realm of plausibility.

Which then takes us back to the fact that LifeMirage used go by the name Edward, back when his grammar/spelling style matched that of the current poor speller/grammarian. This reasonably leads one to conclude that Edward still currently writes on behalf of the LifeMirage persona, and indeed explains why LifeMirage couldn't give a straight answer to leadership: he wasn't Lee Crost at the time. Lee may be involved, but Edward seems involved as well.

Of course, the counter-argument to this is that LifeMirage was always Lee Crost, sometimes using spell/grammar checkers, sometimes not, and that he signed his name Edward to protect his real name.

This becomes more puzzling when we consider that when LifeMirage signed up and paid for his various full memberships here at ImmInst, he used the name Edward Younan. Even more puzzling is that the name currently in the forum software (which is separate from, and hence can be different from, the PayPal account name) is Steve Sliwa. Which brings us back to Steve.

LifeMirage has used Steve's IP addresses, consults for Steve's company, and told ImmInst he was Steve. Given LifeMirage' multiple personalities, it is quite unsurprising that Steve is involved as well.

Even more perplexing is that just 18 hours after LifeMirage had his access to the Full Members forum revoked, Steve Sliwa (a.k.a. uniquenutrition) tried to sign up as a Full Member. This could be indicative that Steve had lost access to the Full Member area that he had previously enjoyed as LifeMirage, and was trying to get back in.

On the other hand, he tried to sign up as a Full Member just 24 hours after the revelation that Lee Crost claimed not to be LifeMirage, and Steve had put his reputation on the line claiming that LifeMirage is in fact Lee Crost, so perhaps Steve just wanted access to information to better defend himself against the barrage of questions he was getting.

So again, what was Steve's involvement? Reasonably, it was quite extensive. On the other hand, plausibly, he was simply fooled by Lee Crost and/or Edward like the rest of us were, and now LifeMirage is trying to frame Steve as a scapegoat. For this reason, we can't take our focus off of Edward and Lee. Steve, Edward, and Lee all have some sort of involvement/complicity here, though the degree to which each is involved or complicit is not known. Perhaps Edward is the mastermind, and the other two were just taken in and then framed. Perhaps it was Lee. Perhaps Steve. Perhaps any two of the three. Perhaps they are all equally involved. More time is needed to say for sure.

The truth will require time to sort out. There are still multiple lines of investigation open, some of which I can't disclose for legal reasons.

Edit: Apologies if there are missing s's. The 's' key on my laptop is starting to flake on me.

[jaydfox]

As long as we're discussing grammar styles, the person who tampered with Sherwyn's website (including recommending that Piracetam customers come to ImmInst and see the "brain expert" LifeMirage) had the same grammar problem as the person who spammed ImmInst a week ago:

Piracetam is brain supplement

Jay D. Fox is [explitive] pirate

This same inability to insert "a" or "the" in the appropriate place indicates a fundamental grammar problem (repeated at least half a dozen times by LifeMirage that I've seen), especially in the case of the Piracetam statement: what business-minded person wouldn't grammar check that!?

On the other hand, Steve's grammar is quite good most of the time, and the writing style somewhat matches LifeMirage's when he's actually using good spelling and grammar. A weak link, but taken in the context of trying to figure out what Steve's involvement is, it is a clue. Not a big one: LifeMirage could be Edward and Lee (with Edward being the bad speller), or it could be Steve and Lee, or Steve and Edward. Again, time is needed to sort things out.

[drmz]

I have had email contact with both, on and off, for quite a while.  If they were the same they would easily have known they were chatting to the same person.

What is the logic behind this ? Passive replying with different names doesn't require a very highly developed capacity to run two different personas concurrently. People on dating sites do it real time in chat rooms and i don't think they have a very highly developed capacity to run two different personas concurrently.

[nomi]

Woot! Got my pir now its time to see if the product is as good as its outter appearance.

[nomi]

p.s.

thanks Steve

[Grail]

They (sorry he) would have to be (a) total master(s) of obfuscation, have a very highly developed capacity to run two (or more) different personas concurrently depending on the context, or be genuinely multi-personalitied.

Have you seen the list of Noops that 'he' (LM) was apparently on...? Those may have done any number of wonders, or horrors to his brain...
[huh]

I know nothing of Edward Younan.

Neither does Steve it seems...[sfty]

If LifeMirage is false, is it possible that Steve Sliwa was too trusting and, unfortunately for him, stuck his neck out for what he thought was the truth?

Surely he would have caught on by now, and would gain more by 'fessing up that he was wrong rather than using the diversionary tactics he has.

[drmz]

"Nomi" you're pretty clever.......took me a while to "get"it [wis] I won't tell anybody [wis]

BTW my pot of pira ( same as you) says 1/4 teaspoon = 940 mg

[nomi]

haha cool man. its maybe a misprint or just the size grains.