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 What supplements are effective at preventing/erasing/fading annoying, intrusive thoughts such as traumatic images of negative things and especially people popping up during random times, like when trying to relax or focus? A supplement regimen for permanently "quieting the mind" without meditating would be ideal. I'd rather not take any HDAC inhibitors as they apparently have the ability to alter past memories, many of which are good and that I'd rather keep in my case. I don't need a solution to long-term major trauma, but rather intermittent "pseudo-traumas".. For example, every once in a while(a few times a month), I'll find myself in a situation where, when going about my business at a Whole Foods or something, some person tries to grope me, follow me around or invade my space and try to threaten and intimidate me for whatever reason, and that kind of ruins my whole week. The event and the person penetrates my thoughts, leading to a period of considerable shock, fear and uneasiness. Right when I start to relax or have a better mood, their face will vividly appear in my thoughts, it sucks. I get over it, but it takes time.

 

My goal is to reduce the time I need to "get over it" to get on with enjoying my life, to zero. Any recommendations are appreciated!

 

 

Also, here's a relevant quote I found on another thread which I found interesting, but went unanswered:

"Is euphoria directly linked to having confidence?

I could use more confidence level to a point where ANYTHING life throws at me (negatives) means almost nothing. Right now I have a lot going on. I'm going back to school, going to work, and trying to keep a social life as well but it's usually the social part where you have to deal with shitty people who try to bring me down, either intentional or not (could be how I "took it" as well). But at the end of the day, there are those types of people who just can't be happy for me. I need something that will not bring me down emotionally due to what people said as this ruins my day. I want to be bulletproof to say the least."

[Artificiality]

CBD oil is pretty good at calming the mind and stopping intrusive thoughts.

 

However meditating is by far the most effective method. I'd really recommend a guided meditation app. The thought of sitting down and aimlessly meditating made me uncomfortable. However after I tried a guided meditation app it made it so much easier.

I currently do a 10 minute guided meditation session a day and it's made my mind so much calmer, I just let the thoughts flow through me and they rarely bug me anymore. 

[Catwoman]

I have intrusive thoughts myself, but honestly they are not coming from trauma, they're more on the obsessive side, a result from panic attacks I had as a child.

I have tried a number of things the past 10 years, but never accomplished much with meditation. I've also tried hypnotherapy for quite a while as well as chinese herbs and acupuncture.
After a year or four I started with psycho- and cognitive behavioral therapy and added regular medication later on (SSRI's), which worked tremendously.

Currently looking for other methods since the serotonin reuptake inhibitors don't work for me anymore and the obsessive / intrusive thoughts keep coming back.
A whole mindfulness course of 8 weeks was a big waste of time for me....But for others it might work, so I would advise you to give (guided) meditations and/or mindfulness exercises a try. 

As for supplements....there is so much on the market...it depends on your needs and what you want to achieve.
Calmness, clarity, improve memory, etc

[gamesguru]

inositol, theanine, magnesium

 

then there's also propanolol, depakote, xanax

[Mind_Paralysis]

It sounds like the issues you have, and the level of enhancement you want, is something that will be way outside of regular supplements - you're probably looking at actual medications here.

 

Before you do anything like that though, have you ever actually been evaluated for, and have you and others in your family suspected that you have any kind of Psychiatric or Neuropsychiatric disease?

 

 

The response you describe is a little bit above what most healthy, neurotypical people would produce after these unwanted experiences - hence why I'm a bit curious here...

 

 

With that said, Tianeptine, the prototypical *A*-typical antidepressant, has the effect after long-term supplementation, that it causes enhanced stress-tolerance - some even report an odd kind of "inability to be startled" - for instance, they have a friend that usually jumps out and scares them when they meet, for fun - after Tianeptine, they mostly just shrug when the scare comes. This is both good and bad, depending on the situation...

 

For some though, Tianeptine has a pseudo-stimulatory effect, which makes it so that they get anxious at the beginning of treatment, and hence this effect does not occur, since they are forced to abandon it. (some are also TOO sedated by it, to the point where it impairs work-ability as well) Anything that is effective is also bound to have side-effects - you simply have to weigh the negatives and the positives against each other.

[normalizing]

i have this obsessive compulsive intrusive super annoying thought process of humming to annoying tunes over and over and over over over over again since waking up till all day into night until i have a beer or two to fucking stop this. it can make one super insane, no joke! i understand everyone gets stuck on a specific tune and processes it in the brain a lot during the day but they have ability to stop, and i cant! hope you dont think thats funny or weird, but if it happened to you, you will hate your brain for being this nonstop machine with no brakes, just going over obsessive humming like this.

so, i wonder what could help. i read NAC can help with such OCD shit, but so far no results. i did try tianeptine but if im sober and take it, i start to hear voices too, its becoming more lucid at this point. not just melody humming, actual talk and singing.... thats really sick!!!

Edited by hazy, 17 November 2017 - 12:27 AM.

[Mind_Paralysis]

i have this obsessive compulsive intrusive super annoying thought process of humming to annoying tunes over and over and over over over over again since waking up till all day into night until i have a beer or two to fucking stop this. it can make one super insane, no joke! i understand everyone gets stuck on a specific tune and processes it in the brain a lot during the day but they have ability to stop, and i cant! hope you dont think thats funny or weird, but if it happened to you, you will hate your brain for being this nonstop machine with no brakes, just going over obsessive humming like this.

so, i wonder what could help. i read NAC can help with such OCD shit, but so far no results. i did try tianeptine but if im sober and take it, i start to hear voices too, its becoming more lucid at this point. not just melody humming, actual talk and singing.... thats really sick!!!

 

If you hear voices... then there's something schizoidal about you.

 

It should be mentioned how some Antipsychotics are also effective against OCD - as such, that's what I would recommend you request. I'd go with Ziprasidone, since that's the antipsychotic with the highest affinity for the 5ht1d-receptor - selective antagonists against this particular serotonin-receptor is undergoing clinical trials against OCD as we speak.

 

Give it a shot.

 

 

Although I personally think it's that you have some mild form of Schizo-spectrum symptoms, since Tianeptine causes hallucinations (which is not common), it should be noted that there are a couple of other possibilites - a few cases of OCD have been reported, and there are some people with BRAIN LESIONS(!) whom experience it, and some people with Epilepsy as well.

 

https://en.wikipedia..._hallucinations

 

Carbamazepine could be an idea if it turns out you have epilepsy, since there was such a case, where an old woman started hearing music non-stop, and Carb' was what helped.

 

 

As a side-note - locally famous Scandinavian musician and composer Ted Gardestad was stricken by Schizophrenia, and his hallucinations were almost exclusively MUSICAL! 0_o He kept hearing the most banal simple songs, like "itsy-bitsy-spider", completely rotten out of tune singing, and even basic, notes, again and again and again... Eventually, since he loved music so much, and had such tremendous ability himself, the pain of this BAD music, irritated and depressed him to the point that he killed himself. (medication could have prevented this...)
 

[Catwoman]

 

 

It should be mentioned how some Antipsychotics are also effective against OCD - as such, that's what I would recommend you request. I'd go with Ziprasidone, since that's the antipsychotic with the highest affinity for the 5ht1d-receptor - selective antagonists against this particular serotonin-receptor is undergoing clinical trials against OCD as we speak.

 

Give it a shot.

 

 

Any idea why Geodon / Ziprasidone isn't approved outside the US? Sweden is an exception, but as far as I know it is a commonly prescribed antipsychotic in the US. A better version of Risperdal / risperidone, with less side effects. 

[Mind_Paralysis]

 

 

 

It should be mentioned how some Antipsychotics are also effective against OCD - as such, that's what I would recommend you request. I'd go with Ziprasidone, since that's the antipsychotic with the highest affinity for the 5ht1d-receptor - selective antagonists against this particular serotonin-receptor is undergoing clinical trials against OCD as we speak.

 

Give it a shot.

 

 

Any idea why Geodon / Ziprasidone isn't approved outside the US? Sweden is an exception, but as far as I know it is a commonly prescribed antipsychotic in the US. A better version of Risperdal / risperidone, with less side effects. 

 

 

The politics of drug-approval is sadly one of the areas of pharmacology which I haven't studied to any appreciable extent - it's not an easy thing to find info on either! I really can't say.

 

I found this website, which seems to follow Marketing Autorizations, and it does imply a few countries more in the EU, where the drug is approved.

 

https://www.pharmaco...ion/ziprasidone
 

 

I'm guessing part of the problem is that we now have the EMA, which regulates marketing authorization in the entire EU, and then I guess it's sometimes easier to only try to market it individually? Not sure when the EMA started up, so maybe after 2001, when the drug was starting to get marketed.

 

I can't even find it on the EMA website, actually!

 

http://www.ema.europ...icType=generics

 

So, that implies it hasn't even been sent their way...

[normalizing]

stink, do you take tianeptine at night or morning and how long does it last for you before you can sleep? ive tried it many times over usually late evening or night and i would be able to sleep for 8+ hours till the morning unless with some medication help. is it a problem with you too?