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#1 douglis

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 11:37 AM


Effects of resistance training on arterial stiffness: a meta-analysis


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Background Regular aerobic exercise prevents and reverses arterial stiffening, but the association between resistance training and arterial stiffness is unclear.


Aim This study was performed to conduct a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomised controlled clinical trials (RCTs) assessing the associations between resistance training and changes in arterial stiffness.



Methods MEDLINE and SPORTDiscus databases were searched from January 1980 through to April 2011. RCTs evaluating the ability of resistance training to increase arterial stiffness in comparison with a control group were included in the meta-analysis. Two independent reviewers extracted data and assessed the quality of the included studies. Data from 185 reports of eight RCTs (193 participants) were included. Pooled mean differences in arterial stiffness indices (carotid arterial β stiffness and pulse wave velocity (PWV)) between intervention and control groups were calculated using a random-effects model.



Results The overall association of resistance training versus control with relative changes in carotid β index or PWV (eight studies; 193 participants) was 10.7% (95% CI 3.4% to 18.0%; I2, 89%; heterogeneity, p<0.001). Five studies indicated that resistance training in young subjects (n=115) was significantly associated with an increase in stiffness index of 14.3% (95% CI 8.5% to 20.1%; I2, 71%; heterogeneity, p<0.001) compared with controls. However, three studies showed that resistance training in middle-aged subjects (n=78) was not associated with changes in arterial stiffness. In addition, although high-intensity resistance training (n=87) was significantly associated with an increase in stiffness of 11.6%, moderate-intensity resistance training (n=106) showed no such association.


Conclusion High-intensity resistance training is associated with increased arterial stiffness in young subjects with low baseline levels of arterial stiffness.


http://bjsm.bmj.com/...488.short?rss=1


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#2 Danail Bulgaria

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:15 AM

This was an unexpected and bad news according to me. It seems, that we will have to transit from resistence training to aerobics.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 09:38 AM

This was an unexpected and bad news according to me. It seems, that we will have to transit from resistence training to aerobics.

No, one study doesn't change the fact that carrying muscle is healthy.
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#4 douglis

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 10:32 AM

This was not the conclusion of just one study.It was a meta-analysis of studies during the last 30 years.

The good news is that 30 minutes of cardio AFTER(only after) the weight training seems to prevent the arterial stiffenning effect:
" These results suggest that although vascular function is not improved by aerobic exercise before RT, performing aerobic exercise thereafter can prevent the deteriorating of vascular function."
http://jap.physiolog...5/1655.abstract

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 02:08 PM

This was an unexpected and bad news according to me. It seems, that we will have to transit from resistence training to aerobics.


Read it all:

However, three studies showed that resistance training in middle-aged subjects (n=78) was not associated with changes in arterial stiffness. In addition, although high-intensity resistance training (n=87) was significantly associated with an increase in stiffness of 11.6%, moderate-intensity resistance training (n=106) showed no such association.


Also, remember that people who do hard-core resistance training often take all kinds of pre-workout supplements containing stimulants and arginine, both of which can increase arterial stiffness in the long run. Also, they may be on "bulking" diets that may be bad for their arteries.

Even if you believe this result is real, when you do high intensity, just balance it out with some cardio.

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#6 douglis

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 03:56 PM

The study that used moderate weights had middle aged subjects with already stiffened arteries so the deterioration didn't reach statistical signifficance("Whether or not ST
would further reduce the already low arterial compliance of middle-aged...).

Unfortunately even light weights have an arterial stiffening effect:
"The men in the MODE group used fairly light weights and made sets with 50 percent of the amount with which they could just manage 1 rep...... the arteries in the MODE group deteriorated."

The good news is that 30 minutes of cardio AFTER(only after) the weight training seems to prevent the stiffening and even improve the arteries compliance:
"A third group cycled for 30 minutes immediately after the weight training session. They cycled at 60 percent of their maximal heart rate. [COMBO] The COMBO group trained at 80 percent of their 1RM..... They noticed that the elasticity of the arteries in the COMBO group improved."
http://ergo-log.com/...ghtweights.html
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 08:17 PM

This is a weird result and deserves healthy scrutiny. High intensity interval/resistance training is quite similar to aerobic exercise. Why would the results be so different? Perhaps moderate aerobic exercise and casual sports are more relaxing - less stressful. Many weight trainers mentally push themselves beyond their current limits. Could this increase stress hormones? I would still do resistance training over nothing because of the vast VAST positive research for exercise in general.

Population studies and meta-analyses are not gold standards either because of so many confounding variables that cannot be accounted for. It is an interesting data point, but needs biological/metabolical causation in order to make it more relevant.
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 08:40 PM

How do they measure the elasticity of blood vessels? Is it a direct method (I can't imagine any one) or some sort of estimation like taking blood pressure with some assumptions?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 08:54 PM

Unfortunately even light weights have an arterial stiffening effect:
"The men in the MODE group used fairly light weights and made sets with 50 percent of the amount with which they could just manage 1 rep...... the arteries in the MODE group deteriorated."


I don't think 50% 1RM is what most people would consider "light" weights.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:21 AM

This is a weird result and deserves healthy scrutiny. High intensity interval/resistance training is quite similar to aerobic exercise. Why would the results be so different? Perhaps moderate aerobic exercise and casual sports are more relaxing - less stressful. Many weight trainers mentally push themselves beyond their current limits. Could this increase stress hormones?


Yes...according to some Japanese scientists:
"the Japanese have a theory about how strength training stiffens the arteries. They know that strength training leads to a sharp rise in adrenalin and noradrenalin levels in the blood, and suspect that these pep hormones play a key role in the stiffening of the arteries. Stretch exercises, endurance training and aerobic training all lower the concentration of these hormones."

Or maybe there're other factors that relate the rise in blood pressure with the elasticity of the artery:
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Arterial blood pressure during high-intensity resistance exercise can increase to 320/250mm Hg. (3) An extremely high blood pressure increase brings about an decrease of elastin and an increase of collagen, which regulates the elasticity of the artery. Therefore, such substantial increases in arterial blood pressure during resistance training have historically been considered factors involved in arterial stiffening."


http://business.high...ng-slow-lifting
They thought that solution might be slow lifitng with light weights but unfortunately the study is not finished yet.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

Unfortunately even light weights have an arterial stiffening effect:
"The men in the MODE group used fairly light weights and made sets with 50 percent of the amount with which they could just manage 1 rep...... the arteries in the MODE group deteriorated."


I don't think 50% 1RM is what most people would consider "light" weights.

50% 1RM will allow most people to get 20 reps or so.

http://www.sbcoaches...orAthletes.html

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:07 AM

If you are a cardio hater(like me) another method to balance the stiffening effect of weight lifting is stretching.


"Carotid artery compliance increased significantly (23%) following stretching which may be attributed to a reduction in carotid pulse pressure"
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Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:02 PM

Arterial blood pressure during high-intensity resistance exercise can increase to 320/250mm Hg. (3) An extremely high blood pressure increase brings about an decrease of elastin and an increase of collagen, which regulates the elasticity of the artery. Therefore, such substantial increases in arterial blood pressure during resistance training have historically been considered factors involved in arterial stiffening."


So what if exercise brings a net lowered blood pressure most of the time, but a briefly intensely increased blood pressure for a small fraction of the time? Does the intense brief increase in blood pressure change everything?

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 02:00 AM

Foam rolling before and after!
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23575360

Acute Effects of Self-Myofascial Release Using a Foam Roller on Arterial Function.

Okamoto T, Masuhara M, Ikuta K.


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1 Institute of Exercise and Sport Physiology, Nippon Sport Science University, 7-1-1, Fukasawa, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo, 158-8508, Japan. 2 Institute of Exercise Physiology and Biochemistry, Osaka University of Health and Sport Sciences, 1-1 Asashirodai, Kumatori-cho, Sennan-gun, Osaka 590-0496, Japan. 3 Institute of Health and Child Sciences, Osaka Aoyama University, 2-11-1 Niina, Minoh, Osaka, 562-8580, Japan.


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Flexibility is associated with arterial distensibility. Many individuals involved in sport, exercise and/or fitness perform self-myofascial release (SMR) using a foam roller, which restores muscles, tendons, ligaments, fascia and/or soft-tissue extensibility. However, the effect of SMR on arterial stiffness and vascular endothelial function using a foam roller is unknown. The present study investigates the acute effect of SMR using a foam roller on arterial stiffness and vascular endothelial function. Ten healthy young adults performed SMR and control (CON) trials on separate days in a randomized controlled crossover fashion. Brachial-ankle pulse wave velocity, blood pressure, heart rate and plasma nitric oxide concentration were measured before and 30 min after both SMR and CON trials. The participants performed SMR of the adductor, hamstrings, quadriceps, iliotibial band and trapezius. Pressure was self-adjusted during myofascial release by applying body weight to the roller and using the hands and feet to offset weight as required. The roller was placed under the target tissue area and the body was moved back and forth across the roller. In the CON trial, SMR was not performed. The brachial-ankle pulse wave velocity significantly decreased (from 1202 ± 105 to 1074 ± 110 cm/s) and the plasma nitric oxide concentration significantly increased (from 20.4 ± 6.9 to 34.4 ± 17.2 μmol/L) after SMR using a foam roller (both P < 0.05), but neither significantly differed after CON trials. These results indicate that SMR using a foam roller reduces arterial stiffness and improves vascular endothelial function.

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Posted 28 January 2015 - 09:43 AM

In this study low intensity training with short interset rest found to reduce arterial stiffness. It seems that low intensity contractions have the same positive effect on arteries as aerobic training does. Keep in mind that this short rest kind of routine that they used is already known to induce hypertrophy (Takarada, 2002).

 



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 12:14 PM

If you are a cardio hater(like me) another method to balance the stiffening effect of weight lifting is stretching.
 

 

Or possibly vibration  :-D 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24872684



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 05:45 PM

They need to take multiple readings over time showing return to baseline and proving a short walk doesnt completely reverse this. High intensity training can elevate bp also but return to baseline or below is what may be more relevant.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 05:47 PM

My issue with this is what constitutes high intensity resistance training?

 

Also, were all confounding variables controlled for (unlikely) -- as in Steroid Abuse, Bad diet ((a lot of big lifters don't eat well, they just eat a lot), etc.



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Posted 24 February 2015 - 05:54 PM

If you are a cardio hater(like me) another method to balance the stiffening effect of weight lifting is stretching.


 

 

Or high dose acsorbate (vitamin C) -- the effects of which on vascular health and function are almost unbelievable 

 

Ascorbic Acid Reduces Blood Pressure and Arterial Stiffness in Type 2 Diabetes

 

http://hyper.ahajour.../6/804.full.pdf

 

Oxidative stress contributes to large elastic arterial stiffening across the stages of the menopausal transition

 

"These data are consistent with our previous work, which demonstrated a 26% increase in carotid artery compliance in response to ascorbic acid in estrogen-deficient postmenopausal women but no change in premenopausal women"

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC4318646/

 

 

Ascorbic acid selectively improves large elastic artery compliance in postmenopausal women.

http://www.researchg...enopausal_women

 

Ascorbic Acid Reverses Endothelial Vasomotor Dysfunction in Patients With Coronary Artery Disease

 

http://circ.ahajourn.../93/6/1107.long


Edited by sensei, 24 February 2015 - 05:55 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 05:10 AM

Interesting.  I'd written off taking large doses of Vitamin C since it's been shown to have limited or no effect on preventing colds.  Guess I'll add it back to the stack.



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Posted 25 February 2015 - 11:20 AM

 

If you are a cardio hater(like me) another method to balance the stiffening effect of weight lifting is stretching.


 

 

Or high dose acsorbate (vitamin C) -- the effects of which on vascular health and function are almost unbelievable 

 

Ascorbic Acid Reduces Blood Pressure and Arterial Stiffness in Type 2 Diabetes

 

http://hyper.ahajour.../6/804.full.pdf

 

Oxidative stress contributes to large elastic arterial stiffening across the stages of the menopausal transition

 

"These data are consistent with our previous work, which demonstrated a 26% increase in carotid artery compliance in response to ascorbic acid in estrogen-deficient postmenopausal women but no change in premenopausal women"

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC4318646/

 

 

Ascorbic acid selectively improves large elastic artery compliance in postmenopausal women.

http://www.researchg...enopausal_women

 

Ascorbic Acid Reverses Endothelial Vasomotor Dysfunction in Patients With Coronary Artery Disease

 

http://circ.ahajourn.../93/6/1107.long

 

 

 

Interesting.  I'd written off taking large doses of Vitamin C since it's been shown to have limited or no effect on preventing colds.  Guess I'll add it back to the stack.

 

However, vitamin C (and other antioxidants) prevent improvements in arterial stiffness that you would otherwise get from exercise.  There are some threads on that problem on this site. 


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 04:17 PM

It's a tightrope walk isn't it.



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Posted 26 February 2015 - 03:03 PM

For those asking for references, you may google site:longecity.org antioxidants exercise, and the relevant threads will come up. 



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Posted 26 February 2015 - 04:09 PM

This might be relevant.. High intensity interval cardio training (HIIT) is best in improving cardiovascular markers, including AS. 

 

Essential arterial hypertension is the most common risk factor for cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Regular exercise is a well-established intervention for the prevention and treatment of hypertension. Continuous moderate-intensity exercise training (CMT) that can be sustained for 30 min or more has been traditionally recommended for hypertension prevention and treatment. On the other hand, several studies have shown that high-intensity interval training (HIT), which consists of several bouts of high-intensity exercise (~85% to 95% of HRMAX and/or VO2MAX lasting 1 to 4 min interspersed with intervals of rest or active recovery, is superior to CMT for improving cardiorespiratory fitness, endothelial function and its markers, insulin sensitivity, markers of sympathetic activity and arterial stiffness in hypertensive and normotensive at high familial risk for hypertension subjects. This compelling evidence suggesting larger beneficial effects of HIT for several factors involved in the pathophysiology of hypertension raises the hypothesis that HIT may be more effective for preventing and controlling hypertension.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3371620/

 

 

It seems that it's a matter of doing cardio-style exercise or not, and including high-intensity cardio is better.

 

From personal experience and following body building / gym discussions over several years, I agree that often when a person is focused on high intensity resistance training, cardio training is secondary or often non-existent. 

 

I would say that high intensity resistance training causes maximal spikes in BP while the average HR during training remains relatively low. In comparison, low intensity resistance training with short rest causes smaller spikes in BP and keeps HR higher, meaning that the BP and HR profiles are closer to those of HIT/cardio exercise. 

 

RT becomes important at 65+, but before that it seems that plenty of cardio is more important. Of course, picking up RT at 65 is easier if you have some experience in it, and a bit of muscle has some minor benefits during younger age, so it's not a bad idea to do a bit of RT as well.


Edited by proileri, 26 February 2015 - 04:37 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2015 - 11:11 PM

For those asking for references, you may google site:longecity.org antioxidants exercise, and the relevant threads will come up. 

 

 

I did.

 

I did not find a study that specifically identified AS and Ascorbate Supplementation having a negative relationship.

 

Furthermore, reports by those taking C60OO a highly antioxidant molecule; show both increases in endurance and strength gains as well as less recovery time needed after workout.



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Posted 27 February 2015 - 07:50 PM


I did not find a study that specifically identified AS and Ascorbate Supplementation having a negative relationship.

 

Furthermore, reports by those taking C60OO a highly antioxidant molecule; show both increases in endurance and strength gains as well as less recovery time needed after workout.

 

 

Has it been demonstrated that C60's purported in vivo benefits come from its action as an antioxidant?  I'm not sure it has but then I am not up to date on the latest studies on it. 

 

As for antioxidants, here are some papers that should indicate caution:

 

 

 

Exercise-induced brachial artery vasodilation: role of free radicals.
Richardson RS, Donato AJ, Uberoi A, Wray DW, Lawrenson L, Nishiyama S, Bailey DM. Dept of Medicine, Physiology Division, Univ of California San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093-0623, USA. rrichardson@ucsd.edu

Originally thought of as simply damaging or toxic "accidents" of in vivo chemistry, free radicals are becoming increasingly recognized as redox signaling molecules implicit in cellular homeostasis. Indeed, at the vascular level, it is plausible that oxidative stress plays a regulatory role in normal vascular function. Using electron paramagnetic resonance (EPR) spectroscopy, we sought to document the ability of an oral antioxidant cocktail (vitamins C, E, and alpha-lipoic acid) to reduce circulating free radicals, and we employed Doppler ultrasound to examine the consequence of an antioxidant-mediated reduction in oxidative stress on exercise-induced vasodilation. A total of 25 young (18-31 yr) healthy male subjects partook in these studies. EPR spectroscopy revealed a reduction in circulating free radicals following antioxidant administration at rest ( approximately 98%) and as a consequence of exercise ( approximately 85%). Plasma total antioxidant capacity and vitamin C both increased following the ingestion of the antioxidant cocktail, whereas vitamin E levels were not influenced by the ingestion of the antioxidants. Brachial artery vasodilation during submaximal forearm handgrip exercise was greater with the placebo (7.4 +/- 1.8%) than with the antioxidant cocktail (2.3 +/- 0.7%). These data document the efficacy of an oral antioxidant cocktail in reducing free radicals and suggest that, in a healthy state, the aggressive disruption of the delicate balance between pro- and antioxidant forces can negatively impact vascular function. These findings implicate an exercise-induced reliance upon pro-oxidant-stimulated vasodilation, thereby revealing an important and positive vascular role for free radicals.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22060178

 

 

Antioxidant supplementation during exercise training: beneficial or detrimental?
Abstract

High levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS) produced in skeletal muscle during exercise have been associated with muscle damage and impaired muscle function. Supporting endogenous defence systems with additional oral doses of antioxidants has received much attention as a noninvasive strategy to prevent or reduce oxidative stress, decrease muscle damage and improve exercise performance. Over 150 articles have been published on this topic, with almost all of these being small-scale, low-quality studies. The consistent finding is that antioxidant supplementation attenuates exercise-induced oxidative stress. However, any physiological implications of this have yet to be consistently demonstrated, with most studies reporting no effects on exercise-induced muscle damage and performance. Moreover, a growing body of evidence indicates detrimental effects of antioxidant supplementation on the health and performance benefits of exercise training. Indeed, although ROS are associated with harmful biological events, they are also essential to the development and optimal function of every cell. The aim of this review is to present and discuss 23 studies that have shown that antioxidant supplementation interferes with exercise training-induced adaptations. The main findings of these studies are that, in certain situations, loading the cell with high doses of antioxidants leads to a blunting of the positive effects of exercise training and interferes with important ROS-mediated physiological processes, such as vasodilation and insulin signalling. More research is needed to produce evidence-based guidelines regarding the use of antioxidant supplementation during exercise training. We recommend that an adequate intake of vitamins and minerals through a varied and balanced diet remains the best approach to maintain the optimal antioxidant status in exercising individuals.

 

 

http://www.pnas.org/...06/21/8665.long

 

 

Antioxidants prevent health-promoting effects of physical exercise in humans
Abstract

Exercise promotes longevity and ameliorates type 2 diabetes mellitus and insulin resistance. However, exercise also increases mitochondrial formation of presumably harmful reactive oxygen species (ROS). Antioxidants are widely used as supplements but whether they affect the health-promoting effects of exercise is unknown. We evaluated the effects of a combination of vitamin C (1000 mg/day) and vitamin E (400 IU/day) on insulin sensitivity as measured by glucose infusion rates (GIR) during a hyperinsulinemic, euglycemic clamp in previously untrained (n = 19) and pretrained (n = 20) healthy young men. Before and after a 4 week intervention of physical exercise, GIR was determined, and muscle biopsies for gene expression analyses as well as plasma samples were obtained to compare changes over baseline and potential influences of vitamins on exercise effects. Exercise increased parameters of insulin sensitivity (GIR and plasma adiponectin) only in the absence of antioxidants in both previously untrained (P < 0.001) and pretrained (P < 0.001) individuals. This was paralleled by increased expression of ROS-sensitive transcriptional regulators of insulin sensitivity and ROS defense capacity, peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor gamma (PPARγ), and PPARγ coactivators PGC1α and PGC1β only in the absence of antioxidants (P < 0.001 for all). Molecular mediators of endogenous ROS defense (superoxide dismutases 1 and 2; glutathione peroxidase) were also induced by exercise, and this effect too was blocked by antioxidant supplementation. Consistent with the concept of mitohormesis, exercise-induced oxidative stress ameliorates insulin resistance and causes an adaptive response promoting endogenous antioxidant defense capacity. Supplementation with antioxidants may preclude these health-promoting effects of exercise in humans.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18175748

 

 

Oral administration of vitamin C decreases muscle mitochondrial biogenesis and hampers training-induced adaptations in endurance performance.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Exercise practitioners often take vitamin C supplements because intense muscular contractile activity can result in oxidative stress, as indicated by altered muscle and blood glutathione concentrations and increases in protein, DNA, and lipid peroxidation. There is, however, considerable debate regarding the beneficial health effects of vitamin C supplementation.

OBJECTIVE:

This study was designed to study the effect of vitamin C on training efficiency in rats and in humans.

DESIGN:

The human study was double-blind and randomized. Fourteen men (27-36 y old) were trained for 8 wk. Five of the men were supplemented daily with an oral dose of 1 g vitamin C. In the animal study, 24 male Wistar rats were exercised under 2 different protocols for 3 and 6 wk. Twelve of the rats were treated with a daily dose of vitamin C (0.24 mg/cm2 body surface area).

RESULTS:

The administration of vitamin C significantly (P=0.014) hampered endurance capacity. The adverse effects of vitamin C may result from its capacity to reduce the exercise-induced expression of key transcription factors involved in mitochondrial biogenesis. These factors are peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor co-activator 1, nuclear respiratory factor 1, and mitochondrial transcription factor A. Vitamin C also prevented the exercise-induced expression of cytochrome C (a marker of mitochondrial content) and of the antioxidant enzymes superoxide dismutase and glutathione peroxidase.

CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C supplementation decreases training efficiency because it prevents some cellular adaptations to exercise.

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24492839

 

Vitamin C and E supplementation hampers cellular adaptation to endurance training in humans: a double-blind, randomised, controlled trial.
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In this double-blind, randomised, controlled trial, we investigated the effects of vitamin C and E supplementation on endurance training adaptations in humans. Fifty-four young men and women were randomly allocated to receive either 1000 mg of vitamin C and 235 mg of vitamin E or a placebo daily for 11 weeks. During supplementation, the participants completed an endurance training programme consisting of three to four sessions per week (primarily of running), divided into high-intensity interval sessions [4-6 × 4-6 min; >90% of maximal heart rate (HRmax)] and steady state continuous sessions (30-60 min; 70-90% of HRmax). Maximal oxygen uptake (VO2 max ), submaximal running and a 20 m shuttle run test were assessed and blood samples and muscle biopsies were collected, before and after the intervention. Participants in the vitamin C and E group increased their VO2 max (mean ± s.d.: 8 ± 5%) and performance in the 20 m shuttle test (10 ± 11%) to the same degree as those in the placebo group (mean ± s.d.: 8 ± 5% and 14 ± 17%, respectively). However, the mitochondrial marker cytochrome c oxidase subunit IV (COX4) and cytosolic peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-γ coactivator 1 α (PGC-1α) increased in the m. vastus lateralis in the placebo group by 59 ± 97% and 19 ± 51%, respectively, but not in the vitamin C and E group (COX4: -13 ± 54%; PGC-1α: -13 ± 29%; P ≤ 0.03, between groups). Furthermore, mRNA levels of CDC42 and mitogen-activated protein kinase 1 (MAPK1) in the trained muscle were lower in the vitamin C and E group than in the placebo group (P ≤ 0.05). Daily vitamin C and E supplementation attenuated increases in markers of mitochondrial biogenesis following endurance training. However, no clear interactions were detected for improvements in VO2 max and running performance. Consequently, vitamin C and E supplementation hampered cellular adaptations in the exercised muscles, and although this did not translate to the performance tests applied in this study, we advocate caution when considering antioxidant supplementation combined with endurance exercise.

 

 

 

 

 

Supplementation with vitamin C and N-acetyl-cysteine increases oxidative stress in humans after an acute muscle injury induced by eccentric exercise.

Childs A, Jacobs C, Kaminski T, Halliwell B, Leeuwenburgh C.

Biochemistry of Aging Laboratory, Center for Exercice Science, College of Human Performance, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, USA.

There has been no investigation to determine if the widely used over-the-counter, water-soluble antioxidants vitamin C and N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC) could act as pro-oxidants in humans during inflammatory conditions. We induced an acute-phase inflammatory response by an eccentric arm muscle injury. The inflammation was characterized by edema, swelling, pain, and increases in plasma inflammatory indicators, myeloperoxidase and interleukin-6. Immediately following the injury, subjects consumed a placebo or vitamin C (12.5 mg/kg body weight) and NAC (10 mg/kg body weight) for 7 d. The resulting muscle injury caused increased levels of serum bleomycin-detectable iron and the amount of iron was higher in the vitamin C and NAC group. The concentrations of lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), creatine kinase (CK), and myoglobin were significantly elevated 2, 3, and 4 d postinjury and returned to baseline levels by day 7. In addition, LDH and CK activities were elevated to a greater extent in the vitamin C and NAC group. Levels of markers for oxidative stress (lipid hydroperoxides and 8-iso prostaglandin F2alpha; 8-Iso-PGF2alpha) and antioxidant enzyme activities were also elevated post-injury. The subjects receiving vitamin C and NAC had higher levels of lipid hydroperoxides and 8-Iso-PGF2alpha 2 d after the exercise. This acute human inflammatory model strongly suggests that vitamin C and NAC supplementation immediately post-injury, transiently increases tissue damage and oxidative stress.


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Posted 27 February 2015 - 08:12 PM

Has it been demonstrated that C60's purported in vivo benefits come from its action as an antioxidant?  I'm not sure it has but then I am not up to date on the latest studies on it. 

 

 

As for antioxidants, here are some papers that should indicate caution:

 

 

 

 

Yes -- at the very least by observed effects 

 

None of the papers you cited show any sort of negative or inverse correlation between Arterial Stiffness and Ascorbate Supplementation.

 

Less vasodilation during exercise when supplementing with vitamin C does not mean that Vitamin C negates the effects of exercise with respect to cardiovascular health. Vasodilation is not simply a function of arterial stiffness or elasticity, several corticosteroids affect vasodilation.



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Posted 27 February 2015 - 10:47 PM

 

Has it been demonstrated that C60's purported in vivo benefits come from its action as an antioxidant?  I'm not sure it has but then I am not up to date on the latest studies on it. 

 

 

As for antioxidants, here are some papers that should indicate caution:

 

 

 

 

Yes -- at the very least by observed effects 

 

None of the papers you cited show any sort of negative or inverse correlation between Arterial Stiffness and Ascorbate Supplementation.

 

Less vasodilation during exercise when supplementing with vitamin C does not mean that Vitamin C negates the effects of exercise with respect to cardiovascular health. Vasodilation is not simply a function of arterial stiffness or elasticity, several corticosteroids affect vasodilation.

 

 

Yes, although it would be my guess that the acute vasodilation occurring during exercise (inhibited by vitamin C according to the first paper) would reduce chronic arterial stiffness over time. 

 



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Posted 27 February 2015 - 10:50 PM


None of the papers you cited show any sort of negative or inverse correlation between Arterial Stiffness and Ascorbate Supplementation.

 

 

Here is one that does (FMD and blood pressure are measures of arterial stiffness):

 

 

Clin Sci (Lond). 2009 Mar;116(5):433-41. doi: 10.1042/CS20080337.
Oral antioxidants and cardiovascular health in the exercise-trained and untrained elderly: a radically different outcome.
Abstract

Both antioxidant supplementation and exercise training have been identified as interventions which may reduce oxidative stress and thus improve cardiovascular health, but the interaction of these interventions on arterial BP (blood pressure) and vascular function has not been studied in older humans. Thus in six older (71+/-2 years) mildly hypertensive men, arterial BP was evaluated non-invasively at rest and during small muscle mass (knee-extensor) exercise with and without a pharmacological dose of oral antioxidants (vitamins C and E, and alpha-lipoic acid). The efficacy of the antioxidant intervention to decrease the plasma free radical concentration was verified via EPR (electron paramagnetic resonance) spectroscopy, while changes in endothelial function in response to exercise training and antioxidant administration were evaluated via FMD (flow-mediated vasodilation). Subjects were re-evaluated after a 6-week aerobic exercise training programme. Prior to training, acute antioxidant administration did not change resting arterial BP or FMD. Six weeks of knee-extensor exercise training reduced systolic BP (from 150+/-8 mmHg at pre-training to 138+/-3 mmHg at post-training) and diastolic BP (from 91+/-5 mmHg at pre-training to 79+/-3 mmHg at post-training), and improved FMD (1.5+/-1 to 4.9+/-1% for pre- and post-training respectively). However, antioxidant administration after exercise training negated these improvements, returning subjects to a hypertensive state and blunting training-induced improvements in FMD. In conclusion, the paradoxical effects of these interventions suggest a need for caution when exercise and acute antioxidant supplementation are combined in elderly mildly hypertensive individuals.

 


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 03:32 AM

 


None of the papers you cited show any sort of negative or inverse correlation between Arterial Stiffness and Ascorbate Supplementation.

 

 

Here is one that does (FMD and blood pressure are measures of arterial stiffness):

 

 

Clin Sci (Lond). 2009 Mar;116(5):433-41. doi: 10.1042/CS20080337.
Oral antioxidants and cardiovascular health in the exercise-trained and untrained elderly: a radically different outcome.
Abstract

Both antioxidant supplementation and exercise training have been identified as interventions which may reduce oxidative stress and thus improve cardiovascular health, but the interaction of these interventions on arterial BP (blood pressure) and vascular function has not been studied in older humans. Thus in six older (71+/-2 years) mildly hypertensive men, arterial BP was evaluated non-invasively at rest and during small muscle mass (knee-extensor) exercise with and without a pharmacological dose of oral antioxidants (vitamins C and E, and alpha-lipoic acid). 

 

 

Confounded by concomitant administration of  E and alpha-lipoic acid

 

The literature is quite clear -- from the studies I posted earlier in this thread that Ascorbate reduces AS, and also improves vascular endothelial function 







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