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#61 BLimitless

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:42 AM

Problem: Drug addict has run out of money to buy drugs
Solution: Stop using the damn drugs
NOT a solution: Feed money into his bank account so he can now keep buying drugs


I beg to differ. A whole host of studies from Switzerland where so overwhelmingly positive for the past ~15 years that to this day, junkies can get (almost) free, pure heroine... The outcome beats the alternatives, by a long shot. And it's actually quite cheap to do.

And this whole don't masturbate stuff is kind off quacky to begin with - at the very least the same people mostly don't seem to have a problem with sex which would seem to be even more dopaminergic... To preempt this from going haywire: please don't bother with that yourbrainonporn nonsense.


Let me clarify. It's been a while!
If you are afraid of "non-scientific terms" like I once was, please suspend your disbelief and assume we are working with a brand new set of axioms. You must open your mind to understand knowledge that will heal you, and rejecting it based on what you already think you know, that is not science! Don't fret, the scientific method is fully regarded herein; it would take immersion into this world to understand how so it is applied.

This is a global perspective. I am not examining trees in this post because sometimes we need to know which forest to first look for our tree in!


http://www.universal...aling_love.html
Unfortunately, society and the business world follow the common misconception that sex was intended to release pent up energies and emotions. The truth is that sex is a means of building up the energies that the body needs. Sexual desire is not really a search for release, but often it is a search for new sources of energy to replenish lost Ching Chi.
When too much sexual energy is lost, the brain and sensory organs become empty. Then people unconsciously seek other sources to fulfill their desires for stimulation. They desire more orgasmic pleasures because they are so used to passing Ching Chi out of their bodies that their need for internal energy becomes desperate. In searching to fulfill their internal needs, they actually drain themselves more by relying upon old sexual habits. Unfortunately, drugs and alcohol also offer the kinds of stimulation (like false orgasms) that further deplete the body of energy. These substances therefore become addictive as they weaken the body and mind. The more energy that is lost, the more the body must replace to achieve high levels of stimulation. When people smoke, drink, or take drugs, their desires for stimulation possess them more as their energies decrease.
The Taoists suggest that this state is like a little death, a self-destruction through over-stimulation of the senses, with vital energies pouring out. Destructive attitudes gradually increase as these people try to replace lost Ching Chi through means which further drain them. This is often the cause of violence, rape, and murder as the search for sexual energy becomes obsessive. Once the body is in this state, the subconscious mind carries the destruction further. Its tendency is to destroy itself and everything around it.


I would recommend a person read this link to really understand, it is truly clarifying.


Now, what is Ching Chi? Chi is a word for bioelectricity. Ching/Jing, is the bioelectric momentum that is assimilated/developed from food. We get caloric energy from the protein/fat/carbs but the Jing Chi is basically the name we give to "the absorbed essence of the nutrients in the food" - vitamins, minerals, phytos, etc, and the macronutrients too. People who have no Jing chi, but lots of food, they get fat - they don't utilise the nutrients because that's the job of Jing, to use the nutrients to live life.

Just as you feel emotions and thoughts, you feel Jing. Jing is what makes you jump out of bed in the morning. Jing is that part of you which smiles when it knows it's getting some tonight. Jing is the force behind the warrior, the fighter. Remove the Jing, the fight is gone from a man. Jing is 'basic/instinctive survival pressure force'.


Now it comes down to desires. If we take a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs -

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Let's now describe how Jing works. You can direct it to anything on this pyramid. It moves in direct response to thought, instantly. You use it all the time. For instance when you think of the opposite sex and become aroused, the jing straight away shoots down there and little John rises for the occasion.


But what is amazing is this. Napoleon Hill understood this, the writer of Think and Grow Rich (Think and Grow Rich: Chapter 11. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation). He was the Longecity of his time, a one man limitless consciousness exploration project. He studied the most successful people to have ever lived and this is what he found.

He understood that channeling this energy is the source of all power and creativity and wisdom. What is amazing is this. When you direct your thoughts higher up the pyramid, you notice little John sinks back down without a hitch. The energy moves very fast, as soon as you think, it moves.




Now if you can secure the lower rungs of the pyramid first off to just give yourself room to breathe and think, we can direct ourselves to the top: Self-Actualisation.

Think of your highest most powerful grandest impossiblest dream. Just sit there and bask in the euphoria of it, the feeling of total wholesome love. This is how you control the energy. When you direct your attention to this point, the point of "What am I REALLY? What do I REALLY want at the end of my life? What do I REALLY need?", then you must be fully honest with yourself.


Your mind is not stupid, it is supremely intelligent after 4 billion years of pure life experience on the genetic level. Where you might see stupid is where I see high power misdirected. It will try to execute all your desires at once. If you have amotivation then guaranteed, you have a virus.exe running in your process list. The mind does not care, it will give them all CPU cycles (Ching/Jing Chi). When virus.exe likes to steal CPU cycles, you will lose that part of your mental energy that could be used to motivate.



When you have your mind flowing correctly, motivation does not exist. It just happens by itself. Motivation is not a scalar, it is a very complex tensor/matrix operating on Hilbert space, how many dimensions I have no idea. For instance right now I am very motivated to write this post. I am not very motivated to eat my own poop. See? So you must calibrate your reward system. What do you really need?




I write this as a man who was once diagnosed with schizophrenia, I completely reject the label of this fictitious disease (they took the diagnosis off when I healed myself). I did have a condition like so, and I cured it. I am not in remission, I am cured. I am healed. This supposedly incurable disease (aka money maker) is fully curable by understanding its origins (early trauma => a seed of delusion grows into a huge tree of lies, watered by confirmation bias).

I was at the point where I was ready to put a bullet through my head. But there would have not even been any pleasure to do that. Why even expend the energy? At this point I realise as such. Avolition is your body saying that your desires suck. Plain and simple. Because it will jump out of bed for a wet hole, through hell or high water. Yet it switches off. But above all. Remember your dream. Your dream is real, it is valid, it is loving and it is full of love. If it is not, then that is not really your dream. Know your dream and understand where the falsehood entered it, then eradicate that and your motivation will spring up like it was never gone.


Consider this. The four-dimensional momentum of a heart beat. What for doth thy heart beat? In (x,y,z) reference coordinates the heart-beat does not seem to do much. You look at a person, and their heart is thumping away, yet they're just sitting there.


Look along the strings of time, along the dimensions of imaginary time, along the space of possibilities and probabilities. The heartbeat is your leg across time itself. Each beat propels you forward in time. Heart beats, then walks yer feets.

The heartbeat is always seeking to decohere your wavefunction towards your ultimate dream, whatever that is. Purify the idea of your ultimate dream and your motivation will be found where you left it last: right here.


Useful links:
As A Man Thinketh by James Allen
Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy
Think and Grow Rich: Chapter 11. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation (The Tenth Step toward Riches)

Edited by BLimitless, 25 August 2013 - 10:55 AM.

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#62 nupi

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:38 PM

I am sorry, but Maslow was a best on to something (to avoid saying completely wrong).His pyramid may be directionally right but far from universal (It's flat out wrong for me, anyway) . As for the rest, sex never gave me energy. It might give me a mood boost but that's all there is.

Edited by nupi, 25 August 2013 - 05:39 PM.


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#63 Climactic

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:53 PM

Apart from selegiline and rasagiline which are both interesting, for academic reasons I will suggest nicotine (not tobacco), delivered as 2mg gum or 7mg patch.

 

Nicotine, however, if used chronically, presents numerous problems:

  1. Some risk of addiction, but not really a strong one in the absence of a MAOI.
  2. Tissue irritation at site of delivery. This manifests itself as chronic coughing due to throat irritation in the case of gum, or as skin redness in the case of patch.
  3. Pro-carcinogenicity.
  4. Substantial rise in resting heart rate, i.e. even when not using any nicotine for days.
  5. Nausea or worse, due to overdose until one gains sufficient experience with dosing it appropriately. Nicotine has a very narrow therapeutic range.

Here are the benefits:

  1. Rapid rise in motivation, even in the face of hunger. Hunger becomes secondary.
  2. You actually get real work done, for at least 12+ hours a day, easily. You can now meet the deadline that could otherwise cost you dearly.
  3. Null or negligible tolerance with use.

To maximize your benefits while minimizing your costs, I suggest:

  1. Take a 250mg vitamin C pill before nicotine use. If using gum, also first take a C lozenge to coat your throat with C. Take more later and also consider 500mg slow-release C. The goal is to neutralize much of the pro-carcinogenic effect of nicotine.
  2. Ensure the necessary vitamin and protein cofactors, of course, so you don't end up burning yourself.
  3. Monitor your heart rate using a pulse oximeter which you keep with you in your pocket, and your blood pressure when at home. Keep pills of a cardiac beta blocker such as 25mg atenolol at hand. You will need it to lower your heart rate. Nicotine should not raise blood pressure much, but monitor it regardless.
  4. Vinpocetine 30mg to somewhat help prevent dopamine oxidation.

I would use this only at times of serious adversity and urgency, typically for no more than a month at a time.


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#64 Samuraidream

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 09:28 AM

Consider trying Jiaogulan (an adaptogenic herb) extract. It has a "reconnecting"-like effect to dopaminergic neurons and has been shown to prevent Parkinson's disease ( http://www.mdpi.com/...-3049/15/4/2814 ). In my experience it has the smartest and best dopamine-modulating effect of all herbs and doesn't have the problems of direct stimulants. If it's not enough a stimulant could be considered perhaps with the addition of CILTEP-supplements. But regardless Jiaogulan can help as an add-on especially if you may be prone to Parkinson's disease.

 

Which brand have you been using? And what's a standard daily dose?

And how would you describe that dopamine-modulating effect? I mean, did it feel like Mucuna or Tyrosine at all? 


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#65 VICREP

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Posted 29 October 2014 - 06:15 AM

@skrmn

 

Firstly, if I was you I would get a blood test done. Check for Prolactin, oestradiol, Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, SHBG, DHT, DHEA, as well as a full thyroid function test; Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Thyroid anti-bodies.

 

Lack of motivation and drive can be a sign of hypothyroidism. 

 

More then likely your problem is reward pathway problem. Any stress, depression, or drug abuse that could have caused this?

 

Treatments I would recommend:

Bupropion

Tianeptine

Agomelatine

Deprenyl

 

 







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