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Liposomal curcumin - does it bypass the liver?

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#1 Tuskentank

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 04:29 PM


This study claims that liposomal curcumin causes no induction or inhibition of CYP34A.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20393001

The website that I bought liposomal curcumin states the following:

Delivery

Once the liposome has reached the small intestine it is absorbed by the enterocytes of the villi. Inside the enterocytes, the liposomes are incorporated into chylomicrons. Together, they travel through the lymph system, bypassing the liver (portal circulation) into the subclavian vein.

Because of its antidepressant properties I would be really keen to try this, but am currently on diazepam and am concerned that potentiation of diazepam could occur.

Niner has kindly put me onto C60 Olive oil, which I will go for next, but does anyone know if the liposomal delivery system really does bypass the liver? Are there are studies that refute this, because I cannot find them. I know some say that the fat content would require liver bypass, but does the curcumin avoid the CYP inhibition, or would it be significant enough to be worried about?

This forum fascinates me and the wealth of knowledge on here, so I am respectfully grateful for any feedback and wisdom you could provide.

Thanks

Mark

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 06:28 PM

These are the bits that are confusing for me (and are part of the same study).

Since minimal plasma concentrations have been achieved, no drug interactions via hepatic metabolism have been reported in peer reviewed literature with oral administration of curcumin. However, significant curcumin concentrations have been achieved with the administration of liposomal curcumin in pre-clinical pharmacokinetic studies in dogs and rats (Data not shown). Curcumin, has exhibited potential for drug interactions in previous in vitro studies (12, 13). In this study, curcumin demonstrated the potential to induce the CYP450 3A4 metabolism pathway at high concentration. This may contribute to the poor bioavailability of curcumin due to the prevalent expression and activity of CYP450 3A4 in the intestinal tract walls. It is currently unknown as to the role intestinal metabolism plays in combination with hepatic metabolism since in humans it has not been possible as of yet to uncouple and study these functions separately (14). With plasma concentrations in the nanomolar range for oral curcumin, hepatic CYPs would be unaffected. In contrast, the concentrations of curcumin in the intestinal tract after eight to 12 gram daily oral doses is likely to be in the micromolar range. Based upon this study, micromolar concentrations would be associated with induction of CYP3A4 thus decreasing bioavailability. Similarly, administering liposomal curcumin intravenously with concentrations in the micromolar range being achieved, the possible hepatic limited CYP450 3A4 drug interactions should be considered in development of combination chemotherapy regimens.
CYP450-mediated drug interactions can result in decreased activity or increased toxicity of one or both agents used in combination and have to be carefully evaluated in the cancer population. Since the majority of cytotoxic chemotherapy agents administered in the oncology setting have a narrow therapeutic index are, it will be important to evaluate the potential effect of liposomal curcumin in combination with other therapies in the context of CYP450 drug interactions through preclinical in vivo and/or ex vivo model experiments.
Both the positive control rifampicin and curcumin induced the CYP3A4 pathway in the ex vivo hepatocyte model. The drug interactions with rifampicin observed in clinical practice are significant and close monitoring for drug interaction in patients on rifampicin is generally recommended. Hence, patients receiving liposomal curcumin should be monitored closely for drug interaction with substrates of the CYP450 3A4 pathway (Table IV). Because of the short term, concentration dependent induction of CYP450 3A4 observed in the ex vivo model, the clinical significance of this potential interaction with other drugs is unknown and warrants further in vivo evaluation.

Is this saying that liposomal curcumin is an inducer of CYP3A4? Forgive my ignorance on this, and I gratefully appreciate any advice / feedback.

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 01:53 AM

I'm not certain on the answer to op's question but I've been thinking along the same lines. My reading indicates that long chain fats like those in olive oil tend to uptake via the lymphatic system which leads to the bloodstream upstream from the liver via the thoracic duct and subclavian veins on the first bloodstream pass. Baati suggests transit time for a rat is about 8 hours. I think human transit time is longer, around 16 to 22 hours based on stats I've seen indicating a flow rate of 125 ml/hr and a total volume of 2100 to 2800 ml. Would hit the liver on 2nd pass but that would be leftovers after lymphatic transit.

Short and medium chain fats, alcohol, and water soluble nutrients tend to uptake from the digestive tract via the portal vein directly to the liver.

Liposome are constructed from emulsifying surfacants and are designed to encapsulate molecules. The encapsulation can help absorption of molecules with low oil or water solubility. It can also protect those molecules from CYP metabolism in the digestive tract. But I'm not sure if the liposome automatically absorbs like a long chain fat all by itself. It may need some long chain fats to hook up with first. Liposomes seem to retain the emulsifying quality of their building blocks so they should speed digestion of whichever fats they encounter. But I suspect if they encounter mct's, they might follow them along the portal path.

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 11:13 AM

Thanks for the reply, Hav. The curcumin in this product is in Lecithin extract, water, purified sesame oil, vitamin E and potassium sorbate. I'm presuming the sesame oil is long chain. So avoiding mcts at the same time should in theory prevent first pass liver absorbtion? Taking on an empty stomach maybe?

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 02:20 PM

Sesame looks like its mostly Oleic and Linoleic which are both C18 which is considered long chain:
http://www.essential...il-analysis.htm

I think C12 is considered the dividing line between medium and long chain. Lecithin contains some fatty acid esters in the c16 to c18 range so maybe on an empty stomach it might tend towards the lymphatic system too. But it is polar, with one end lipophilic and the other hydrophilic, so it might pay to add a little more oil to make sure of what it latches on to. I like olive oil which is mostly Oleic.

Howard

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 05:04 PM

Thanks again, Howard for the response. I have some inflammation in around the top of my head so it might be worth the risk with the diazepam. I am on a low dose 3.37mg now, and if I can reduce the head pressure and inflammation, could then look at moving further down on it.

I suspect the initial question will not be easy to answer as the author's caution may stem from the fact that "it is currently unknown as to the role intestinal metabolism plays in combination with hepatic metabolism since in humans it has not been possible as of yet to uncouple and study these functions separately."

It looks like a definitive answer is beyond the realms of current technology (not withstanding my biological mechanisms as an individual). :wacko:

Sincerely thanks again for your feedback, Howard, as it pushes me towards a good precaution to take when administering the curcumin. :)

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:33 AM

Thanks again, Howard for the response. I have some inflammation in around the top of my head so it might be worth the risk with the diazepam. I am on a low dose 3.37mg now, and if I can reduce the head pressure and inflammation, could then look at moving further down on it.

I suspect the initial question will not be easy to answer as the author's caution may stem from the fact that "it is currently unknown as to the role intestinal metabolism plays in combination with hepatic metabolism since in humans it has not been possible as of yet to uncouple and study these functions separately."

It looks like a definitive answer is beyond the realms of current technology (not withstanding my biological mechanisms as an individual). :wacko:

Sincerely thanks again for your feedback, Howard, as it pushes me towards a good precaution to take when administering the curcumin. :)

 

Hi :) Did you had any success with the experiment?



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Posted 17 April 2014 - 09:08 AM

Hi amara,

 

The liposomal curcumin most definitely boosts the diazepam, but I have stayed on it. I am weaning the diazepam very slowly, but it is a bit messy. My diazepam dose is split into an AM and PM dose. I am below 2mg now but the boost from the liposomal curcumin I suspect increases this much more, notably the night-time dose. The plus side is that I am able to sleep right through the night, but the downside is that I am completely clueless as to how I will be when I finish my taper. As it stands though, all things considered, this is tolerable until I am off. I don't feel great by any stretch of the imagination but I feel better than I was. That being said, I would probably not recommend this to anyone. The main reason being is that I take the curcumin around 1.30pm (diazepam at 8.20am and 8.20pm). The curcumin seems to slow down metabolism of the diazepam so that it boosts it slowly up until the night -time dose and then seems to boost that through the night. My thinking is that this is confusing my receptors as they try to heal, but I do not know for certain that this is the case. I will find out eventually but for now am sticking with it to get off the drug.







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