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#1 foreseason

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 04:39 PM


I am an instant gratification person with very addictive tendencies.  I was a hardcore drug addict for a handful of years.  Been in recovery for almost 7 years now.   It was the best thing that ever happened to me, but my addictions have always just manifested themselves in different ways.  I was hooked on technology/computers/the internet at a very young age.  I've basically been using the internet daily since the mid 90s.  Have had an iphone since 2008.  Definitely a victim of information seeking/overload.  Sex is just another drug for me.  Apps like Tinder have been my downfall in that regard.  That shit is kryptonite for a person like me. 

 

Long story short, I know my dopamine/reward system is royally f'ed at this point.  I'm all about the instant fix and have a lot of trouble appreciating long term goals/rewards.    I'm also very aware that fixing this is really going to come down to behavior changes. 

 

That being said, is there anything that could be taken to help repair this system? 

 

thanks

 



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 02:22 AM

Thanks for your frankness about your challenges with addiction... Good news for you is that the dopamine/arousal reward system is something that can be repaired and reprogrammed.

 

Let's discuss the drugs with solid research first...

 

Piracetam, increases perception of reward and arousal. Increases dopamine. This has been shown to help those suffering from alcohol and methamphetamine addiction. On the Wikipedia page there are 6 different studies linked where piracetam helped people with alcoholism issues. Piracetam is probably one of the least addictive drugs in existence.

 

A 2011 University of California study demonstrated that Modafinil repaired damage that methamphetamine addicts had done to their learning ability with prolonged drug usage:

"The findings suggest that modafinil improves learning in MA-dependent participants, possibly by enhancing neural function in regions important for learning and cognitive control."

A 2005 double blind, placebo controlled study of 62 cocaine addicts showed the drug to have beneficial effects:

"This study provides preliminary evidence... that modafinil improves clinical outcome when combined with psychosocial treatment for cocaine dependence."

Modafinil may be something of a self control lifehack, as many of the studies came to to the conclusion that it decreased impulsiveness. Modafinil does have some low addiction risk propensity, so be very careful to monitor your addictive tendencies on it.

 

The bad news is that you are at high risk of a relapse - that could kill you - which you know better than I. The best hedge against this is to make sure your lifestyle is VERY optimized for Neuroplasticity, the ability of your mind to grow and adapt to the challenges presented it. This means...

  • Daily meditation
  • Consistent exercise
  • Lots of social accountability
  • Understanding of ethical hedonism
  • Stress management
  • Very strict diet
  • Daily brain training - I recommend Dual N-Back for you

 

This is topic I have a tremendous personal interest in... I actually did two podcast style interviews with researchers who had done studies on the area of willpower, let me know if you find them helpful!


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 04:36 AM

Anything that increases dopamine is going to further his downregulation worsening his problem. That modafinil study you posted just shows being on it corrects the cognitive deficits of dependence, which is really like saying it's a less harmful replacement, nothing about repair. Modafinil increases dopamine, again, just going to worsen downregulation.
Your suggestion of exercise is a good one, and I will agree with diet/exercise. Stress management as well, but also oxidative stress is something to keep in mind.

 

Piracetam has unpleasant long term affects for many people. Acetylcholine does have a relationship to dopamine, but if you're going to even pursue this route, Coluracetam is the best regulator of this system, and it's effects may be permanent modulation, seeming to be a gentler and more effective alteration than others in it's class. However, some people are also sensitive to acetylcholine increases, so it may not be for you and many people get insomnia from such things, although Coluracetam is reputed to have less side effects compared to the others.

 

 

 

Good sleep is critically important. Include magnesium in your diet on an empty stomach, as well as fish oil with meals. I would recommend Nordic naturals as it's the cleanest fish oil I can find.
Look up Mr Happy's Uridine stack.
Possibly a low amount of Zinc monomethionine.
I suggest seeing an Endocrinologist, and getting your testosterone, DHEA, Vitamin D levels checked. These all have relations to dopamine. Exercise and gaining muscle mass will help with these things, except the D.
If you're going to take a vitamin D supplement, make sure it's D3, and liquid form absorbs the best.
Since having the normal reward release system disrupted from a drug's constant ON all the time, I think it's important to get it used to a semblance of normalcy at some point.
Consider things a child might find pleasant. Baths, pleasant socialization, roller coasters, exploration in nature, creative expression. Consider setting up little projects and crafts ahead of time and completing them in succession every day. This will teach your brain normal dopamine release again.
Consider not having sex/masturbating as often, perhaps limiting yourself to once every other day, or every third day if possible. This will also temporarily increase your testosterone.
Make sure you're getting enough B vitamins as well, although don't over do it, some B vitamins can be pretty harmful if you have too much. Try to get the most bioavailable forms of each.

Plenty of protein in your diet, and some monounsatured fats in particular. Try not to eat more than 20 grams of protein in a sitting though, because around 25+ grams some begins to be wastefully oxidized, which isn't good for you.
EGCG(Green Tea Extract) Life Extension seems to have the best I've seen that isn't outrageously overpriced, they're even running a sale until february I believe, where you get the member price if you're not a member, and an additional 10% off on top of it.
Look into 9 Methyl Beta Carboline (THT sells it, look around on the boards here for more info)

As far as your habits, what has really helped me is learning things you need to conquer. I cut down on tv and pointless reading on my computer, less video games, and setting myself rules for such things, that I adamantly nag myself about and have a lot of trouble breaking. I now read before bed which helps get me ready, and make sure to brush my teeth etc. before, so the moment I hit the time when I need to be sleeping, I can do it right then so I don't drag myself into some other BS that keeps me up for hours with "just one more w.e" which seems to be a real issue in people with our problem, since we have intense cravings due to our dopamine dysfunction.

Area 1255 seems to have some good info in relation to this topic. He just made me aware of some histamine related info you might want to ask about, or perhaps he could grace us with his wisdom here. I myself have been struggling with this and related issues for years. I have gotten a lot better, but have yet to implement the supplemental treatments, since I want to have a good basic foundation of health, before I start taking my limited 4 month supply of materials, since I want everything to be as effective as possible and done continuously until I run out. Still working on eating habits and sleeping properly, about ready to start my exercise program, then all my supplements will begin, among others, but those I've mentioned here are many of the most relevant.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 05:59 AM

I'm trying nofap / no porn.

Next will be uridine.

 

I believe that our modern society of instant gratification and smartphones/high quality porn, the easy of access, is downregulating our dopamine receptors. I only started getting the blunting effect when smartphones took off, and when porn became really easy to get.

 

I remember how awesome just downloading a single photo of a hot chick was in my early 20s, now everything is whatever

 


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 07:48 AM

I appreciate the replies and suggestions. I know that in the end most of this comes down to behavioral changes. Fortunately I have experience with this from my recovery from addiction.

I've been very involved in a 12 step recovery program for the last 6 years. wiyh that comes a spiritual lifestyle with accountability, support, meditation, etc etc.

If I had to pick the most detrimental behavior of mine, it would be technology/information addiction. I was addicted to the Internet at an early age and my first iPhone in 2008 reignited this. This has become a pretty common problem in society, but my addictive personality takes it to another level. I'm not a New Years resolution type person, but this year I'm thinking of taking a month off from as much technology as I can.

All that being said, what about substances like nsi-189, cerebrolysin, or maybe Dihexa? Would they play a role in the repair of the reward system/dopamine?

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 03:53 PM



As far as your habits, what has really helped me is learning things you need to conquer. I cut down on tv and pointless reading on my computer, less video games, and setting myself rules for such things, that I adamantly nag myself about and have a lot of trouble breaking. I now read before bed which helps get me ready, and make sure to brush my teeth etc. before, so the moment I hit the time when I need to be sleeping, I can do it right then so I don't drag myself into some other BS that keeps me up for hours with "just one more w.e" which seems to be a real issue in people with our problem, since we have intense cravings due to our dopamine dysfunction.

 

 

 

 

Happyshoe I never knew this was also a symptom of dopamine deficiency... its kind of a perpetuating cycle that keeps the damage going. I am always sleep deprived but I do it to myself, I could be exhausted at night but need to watch 'one more' stupid show , or send one more email, or one more anything.  Than when I want to go to bed, I need to brush teeth etc, lock doors, check everything which can be stimulating. 

 

I think I will try to cut down on the 'one more' cycle which could help with sleep, also been wanting to try happy stack for some time, that seems like it would help. Good post, hopefully I can get some dopamine function/regulation back

 


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 04:14 PM

I'm trying nofap / no porn.
Next will be uridine.

I believe that our modern society of instant gratification and smartphones/high quality porn, the easy of access, is downregulating our dopamine receptors. I only started getting the blunting effect when smartphones took off, and when porn became really easy to get.

I remember how awesome just downloading a single photo of a hot chick was in my early 20s, now everything is whatever


I like this post. Jiaogulan might also be worth a try:

http://www.longecity...ic-supplements/
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#8 HappyShoe

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:20 PM

 

As far as your habits, what has really helped me is learning things you need to conquer. I cut down on tv and pointless reading on my computer, less video games, and setting myself rules for such things, that I adamantly nag myself about and have a lot of trouble breaking. I now read before bed which helps get me ready, and make sure to brush my teeth etc. before, so the moment I hit the time when I need to be sleeping, I can do it right then so I don't drag myself into some other BS that keeps me up for hours with "just one more w.e" which seems to be a real issue in people with our problem, since we have intense cravings due to our dopamine dysfunction.

 

 

 

 

Happyshoe I never knew this was also a symptom of dopamine deficiency... its kind of a perpetuating cycle that keeps the damage going. I am always sleep deprived but I do it to myself, I could be exhausted at night but need to watch 'one more' stupid show , or send one more email, or one more anything.  Than when I want to go to bed, I need to brush teeth etc, lock doors, check everything which can be stimulating. 

 

I think I will try to cut down on the 'one more' cycle which could help with sleep, also been wanting to try happy stack for some time, that seems like it would help. Good post, hopefully I can get some dopamine function/regulation back

 

 

 Sleep is a big deal, because a lot of people forget that dopamine is a hormone, so is norepinephrine, and sleep is critical for clearing toxic metabolites from your brain, and regulating hormones through the hypothalamus predominantly since it controls your glands(which control your hormones as a whole), and there is a lot of interplay with your endocrine system. Dopamine is metabolized into norepinephrine(NE), and influences melatonin production.
Then there's the relationship between serotonin(5HT) and dopamine(DA), one being high typically lowers the other, because it relates to our sleep wake cycle, with serotonin being produced in response to light, and metabolized into melatonin(in the dark).
Not to mention sleep deprivation and sleep debt contributes to brain inflammation, which further inhibits the natural release of neurotransmitters, as can be inferred from how they finally discovered lithium works(by stopping brain inflammation some of the inhibition of normal function is lessened)

Check this out.
http://www.scienceda...20619225725.htm

http://www.peaktesto...p_Dopamine.aspx
I know these aren't in themselves prime sources,(not that they're bad), but the references they list are legit.


 

I'm trying nofap / no porn.
Next will be uridine.

I believe that our modern society of instant gratification and smartphones/high quality porn, the easy of access, is downregulating our dopamine receptors. I only started getting the blunting effect when smartphones took off, and when porn became really easy to get.

I remember how awesome just downloading a single photo of a hot chick was in my early 20s, now everything is whatever


I like this post. Jiaogulan might also be worth a try:

http://www.longecity...ic-supplements/

 

I forgot to mention I actually got Jiaogulan, but again, I haven't started taking anything yet, I want to be ready first, by getting good sleep regularly.
I also didn't mention sulbutiamine(which might be too stimulating and perhaps is best left out, some people are sensitive)
Citicoline wasn't directly mentioned but is part of the Uridine stack.


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:26 PM

I appreciate the replies and suggestions. I know that in the end most of this comes down to behavioral changes. Fortunately I have experience with this from my recovery from addiction.

I've been very involved in a 12 step recovery program for the last 6 years. wiyh that comes a spiritual lifestyle with accountability, support, meditation, etc etc.

If I had to pick the most detrimental behavior of mine, it would be technology/information addiction. I was addicted to the Internet at an early age and my first iPhone in 2008 reignited this. This has become a pretty common problem in society, but my addictive personality takes it to another level. I'm not a New Years resolution type person, but this year I'm thinking of taking a month off from as much technology as I can.

All that being said, what about substances like nsi-189, cerebrolysin, or maybe Dihexa? Would they play a role in the repair of the reward system/dopamine?

 

These substances might be helpful, but for serious, the nutritional and sleep/exercise and behavioral regulation portions are critically important. These are the natural foundations which regulate your body's ability to maintain homeostasis. Things listed may be helpful, and could further recovery and/or boost normal function, but they're not going to be as helpful by far if you don't take care of the basics.
NSI-189 may be helpful if you've been chronically sleep deprived, since hippocampus atrophy is a side effect of long term sleep deprivation.

I'm considering some radical things to help me with the sleep/exercise as well. Like Ibutamoren the growth hormone secretagogue, and AICAR to simulate exercise, as well as ITPP to give enhanced oxygen transport, so jumping into an exercise routine will be easy. GH also helps promote restful sleep, so does exercise through the production of adenosine.
Exercise will also boost DHEA, which is linked with dopamine, and will balance your histamine levels, which are also related(see Area 1255's post on histamine).
 



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:33 PM

Oh and, regarding my post about getting back to normal behavior, and childhood sources of dopamine stimulation to get back into the rhythm, increases in working memory have been shown to increase dopamine function, so looking up and practicing training for working memory could be helpful as well.

I also tend to think that everything with the brain follows a similar principle as exercise. Where, when you're trying to stimulate muscle growth, you try to do as many sorts of exercises as possible, even if it seems redundant, it's best to approach the same issue from multiple angles, and to work all the stabilizing muscles. I follow this principle in my approach to treating conditions, but supporting all related systems, and getting as close to globally optimized function as possible. Issues with dopamine dysfunction are typically seen to take years if you look at cases of Meth addicts and such, so anything that can be layered in practice towards the same goal is for the best, to hasten recovery and ensure you get as much function back as possible.

I believe it's truly possible to get to a hypomanic state naturally, making the use of drugs pointless.
I think the biggest obstacle to this is the sleep/exercise portion. Once you get past that, I think progress can be made in leaps and bounds.



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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:39 PM

Oh, and one of the reasons Magnesium is helpful, is it's a weak NMDA receptor antagonist, which also helps dopamine sensitization. Evidence of this can be seen in how such agents delay amphetamine tolerance.
Along a similar line (also a weak NMDA antag)may be N-Acetyl-Cysteine(taken on an empty stomach) although I've read it's not a good idea to take over 600mg a day. As a glutathione precursor, being a powerful antioxidant, this can be helpful in bodily recovery as well.

Nicotinamide Riboside may be useful as well
http://www.longecity...dh-drugs/page-3


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Posted 24 December 2014 - 10:35 PM

Sorry for so many posts in a row, I just keep remembering relevant things to share.

 

Regarding sleep.

There's also a computer program called "Flux" that helps reduce the blue light in your computer, helping you get ready for bed.
Also consider a sun Alarm, which mimics sunrise and is a lot more gentle, natural way to wake up, instead of harsh noises which stress your body. These bring you slowly out of deeper stages of sleep and have been shown to have significant clinical efficacy in regulating sleep cycles.

Exercise during the day helps by producing adenosine.
Avoid drinking liquids too close to bed(at least 2 hours before) since awareness of your bladder will disturb your sleep
Make sure your room is pitch black, and expose yourself to as little light as possible. If you need something to help you see on the way to the bathroom when u wake up to pee, try to get a dim red spectrum light.

 



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Posted 25 December 2014 - 11:57 AM

I'm trying nofap / no porn.

Next will be uridine.

 

I believe that our modern society of instant gratification and smartphones/high quality porn, the easy of access, is downregulating our dopamine receptors. I only started getting the blunting effect when smartphones took off, and when porn became really easy to get.

 

I remember how awesome just downloading a single photo of a hot chick was in my early 20s, now everything is whatever

 

Try this: http://www.longecity...e-2#entry578791

 

I haven't used disulfiram and used ashwagandha instead of PS, I would also advocate using some vitamin k2 if taking high-doses of vitamin D (anecdotally I believe mk4 to be superior to mk7). 

 

Forskolin 25mg bid also increased my motivation with a stronger effect than "no fap", 25 mg once daily might be enough. I didn't try a lower dose as I was using it to try and reduce an adaptive immune system response, I did try 75mg acutely with no discernible difference to 25mg.

 

I have tried the uridine stack, I slept like a baby for the first 3 nights(and was super happy) but unfortunently for me the effects faded after that and I noticed nothing more than the cdp-choline (which I like). 


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Posted 25 December 2014 - 08:23 PM

Definitely agree about the K2 and high levels of D, it def increases your requirement. I think the reason you may have felt a difference with mk4 is because it's short acting and possibly you could 'feel' a difference faster? Although most mk4 is synthetic when taken in supplement form, as opposed to the natural mk4 in foods like butter. mk7 lasts a lot longer in the body though.

 

Funny that you mention Forskolin, I have it in my stack but I included it for general cognition enhancement in combination with a planned study program. However, since you brought it up, isn't cAMP related to dopamine?

 

Also, wow, I read that guy's post about DBH and high norepinephrine using up a lot of zinc and vitamin D. I have high norep and low D, so good thing I listened to Area1255 about the zinc thing and ordered some optizinc.
Definitely a good find! =)
Curcumin lowers cortisol too. Although my cortisol levels were on the low range of normal. I'm going to take this guy's advice with a grain of salt because the original poster listed his specific blood test results, and I'm sure we have slight differences. Either way I'm considering the disulfiram in low doses, and maybe 5000 units of D instead of the 10k he suggests.

I found this also guys. Seems ridiculously comprehensive. A huge technical read, but worth sharing.

http://pharmrev.aspe...t/63/1/182.full

http://plantbiotech....e_receptors.pdf

 


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Posted 01 January 2015 - 10:58 AM

Would Low dose naltrexone help? Because i have read that LDN treatment can increase testosterone, and testosterone increasements should help increase dopamine too.

 

Inositol upregulates D2 receptors in striatum (http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11267629). I suggest purchasing inositol powder, and take a teaspoon 3 times a day for a while. Maybe that could help. I also have problems with internet addiction and im considering using inositol for repairing receptors. 

 

And Sulbutiamine 

High dose fish oil, 30 grams per day ( 2 tablespoons)

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 02 January 2015 - 04:11 AM

The most important thing is that you find a hobby that you enjoy, working out is great and all but the most important thing is that you have something to go to when you get the impulses to do drugs, whether it be pottery, reading horror books, whatever. You need to find a positive hobby for more than this reason though - it will surround yourself with likeminded people who pursue this positive hobby eventually, leading you to make positive relationships in your life.

 

 


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 02:47 PM

In the case, that You was a Cocaine addict, I would try to use a CaMKII inhibitor.

Cocaine activates either directly or indirectly (so as a downstream target) PKG and coincidentally D2 and/or D3 receptors (if I´m not mistaken)

This in turn activates CaMKII and this then Delta FosB (ΔFosB). Heres the interresting part:

ΔFosB increases CaMKII mRna, and thats how a self-reinforcing/stabilizing loop develops.

Guess I´ve read it here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23467346

 

ΔFosB stabilizes Your addiction memory and either increases or decreases dopamine release ( I´ve forgotten it)

I´ve read somewhere that Scutellaria baicalensis or one of its single compounds do inhibit  CaMKII but I cant find it anymore.. thanks to google

Anyway Gastrodin and Catalpol "should" inhibit CaMKII as well:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23550774

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24619207

 

Note: I cant gurarantee You that those extract should reverse those alterations. I´m rather a kind of information collector, so it couldnt work for various reasons.

Furthermore, addiciton caused by Cocaine have multiple causes.

Like parp-1 activation, (which can be also reverted by simple inhibition with e.g. Nicotinamide), dopamine D1 MSN, Ampa signaling and so on.

So I may be mistaken that the posted above is the main cause of Your problem.


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 04:00 PM

interesting thread, i am also a 12 step recovering addict, quit in 97 and like forseason i have had loadsa addictions since being clean an sober, exercise, supplements, sex/swinging (in the past), computers, and my new addiction, smart drugs, nootropics. Also i got hep c in my using and also i been in chronic pain under my liver for 8 years which has driven me crazy at times contanplainting suicide, recently had  a stool test which discovered a parasite called blastocyctsis hominis in my stool, that could be my long term pain cause. Diagnosed with fatty liver I went low carb high fat 2 years ago which has really helped with my moods and also my liver. I went on low dose naltrexone around 2 years ago too. I have not had the libido increase mentioned every where else but it has significently reduced my viral load from around 6M to 800k. I saw this post and had a gut feeling to share my story a little as forseason was so candid. I been seeing a functional medicine practioner for my gut pain who has started me on a herbal course to eradicate the parasites i have, i also use  mms from time to time. other things i do (some thought as mad by my gf) are earthing, PEMF, prayer, meditation, service, meetings, inverting on a table inverter, vibration plate, sauna's, steam and infrared, low level light therapy (Q1000ng) and when nothing else works for my pain codeine based paracetamol (which is quite rare these days). oh yeah my hospital consultant started me on gabapentin which helps.  


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 06:01 PM

Totally forgot, if Your decision tends more to a direct reward than a long-term, then is either the PFC functioning too low or striatum too high( Down regltaing the Striatum is the therapeutic approach of ADHD with Ritalin) .

I believe that rather the PFC is too low since drugs downregulate PFC functioning via celular mechanism, like downregulation of D2 receptors by cocaine in the PFC and by damage.

 

Dont know how to reverse this, but meditation for 30min a day over a few months can induce a growth of the PFC and Amygdala via various effects, perhaps even epigenetic driven by body-mind interaction  (somatic).

 

@ UKLAD

Found this in google scholar:

 

Historically, local plant species have been used for therapeutic purposes by the local people of Anatolia.
Here, hexane and methanol extracts of two local plants, Quercus infectoria (Fagaceae) and Achillea millefolium, which have been used against diarrhea in Anatolia, were examined for their in vitro
efficacies against Blastocystis. LC50 and EC50 values of the plant extracts were determined by Brine Shrimp and Graphpad Prism 5® methods, respectively. The results showed that LC50
(500 μg/ml) and EC50 (198.8 μg/ml) concentrations of the methanol extract ofA. millefolium were lowest compared to other extracts,

its anti-Blastocystis activity was found to be comparable to metronidazole and it showed no cytotoxic activity.

In vitro Efficacy of Quercus infectoria Oliv. and Achillea millefolium L. Extracts Against Blastocystis spp. Isolates

http://vetdergi.kafk...3_3/511-516.pdf

 

A few traditional Chinese medicinal herbs have also been examined for in vitro activity against Blastocystis (Brucea javanica and Coptis chinensis).

Their inhibitory activity was not as great as with similar concentrations of metronidazole. As an adjunct,

dietary management strategies like introduction of high fiber and lactose free diet is shown to improve clinical signs and symptoms.[24]

 

There have been several studies examining the use of alternative agents for the treatment of Blastocystis infection.

Blastocystis isolates from IBS patients mostly genotype-1 have demonstrated increased susceptibility to garlic at 0.01 mg/ml.

Blastocystis: Consensus of treatment and controversies

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3745668/

 

 



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 06:08 PM

thx for the heads up Flex, will look into it



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 06:14 PM

Youre welcome :-)


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 07:36 PM

Wow this thread has really taken off haha. I've been off the grid a bit lately, but I look forward to reading through it all. Thanks for the replies.

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:02 PM

Totally forgot, if Your decision tends more to a direct reward than a long-term, then is either the PFC functioning too low or striatum too high( Down regltaing the Striatum is the therapeutic approach of ADHD with Ritalin) .

I believe that rather the PFC is too low since drugs downregulate PFC functioning via celular mechanism, like downregulation of D2 receptors by cocaine in the PFC and by damage.

 

 

Please forget that part about the striatum, I´ve mixed up attention with reward.

Its just the PFC.  This happens when I dont re-check my statements -.-

Sry

 

I was actually reffering to this:

http://en.wikipedia....llow_experiment

http://blogs.kqed.or...he-digital-age/
 



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Posted 04 January 2015 - 11:06 PM

9-me-bc ; 9-methyl-beta-carboline would be useful.



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Posted 06 January 2015 - 01:26 PM

Dont know how to reverse this, but meditation for 30min a day over a few months can induce a growth of the PFC and Amygdala via various effects, perhaps even epigenetic driven by body-mind interaction  (somatic).
 

 

It's always been my understanding that consistent meditation has been shown to shrink the Amygdala, lessening the fight or flight response. 


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 01:37 PM

Yes, You´re right. Sry my fault.



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 11:04 AM

I'm trying nofap / no porn.

Next will be uridine.

 

I believe that our modern society of instant gratification and smartphones/high quality porn, the easy of access, is downregulating our dopamine receptors. I only started getting the blunting effect when smartphones took off, and when porn became really easy to get.

 

I remember how awesome just downloading a single photo of a hot chick was in my early 20s, now everything is whatever

I kind of read somewhere NSI did abolish your Ahnedonia and gave you all the emotions back ? aren't you taking it anymore ?



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 06:41 PM

In regards of addiction I forgot to mention Acetylcysteine:

 

Systematic review of N-acetylcysteine in the treatment of addictions

http://www.scielo.br...nrm=iso&tlng=en

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24676047

See table 1 at the Results

 

N-Acetylcysteine Normalizes Glutamate Levels in Cocaine-Dependent Patients: A Randomized Crossover Magnetic Resonance Spectroscopy Study

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3398721/

 

But it makes me a bit dull. Perhaps via its glutamergic effects ?

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20217053

 

 

 

I kind of read somewhere NSI did abolish your Ahnedonia and gave you all the emotions back ? aren't you taking it anymore ?

 

 

I´ve tried Liquorice from sweets (with 3% of liqourice extract) and it made me more emotional + had a slight aphrodisiac effect , although after a whole bag^^

No kidding. Admittely everyone responds different or is more sensitive, but the try isnt expensive.

 


Edited by Flex, 08 January 2015 - 06:46 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 06:44 PM

Reward circuitry is very complex, I fully believe the best way is optimizing testosterone levels; for both men and women, and balancing out serotonin....most people with a super active reward circuitry have both high testosterone and low serotonin...this seems to be ideal - you just need to know how to control your compulsions/impulsivity you might get - channel it properly.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 07:42 AM

any updates to this, some new research and new recommendations maybe







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