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[123apk]

So I take phenibut on work days and sometimes I use a 5htp stack to sleep better.
When I take the 5htp stack I keep getting the most horrific jolt through my body like I'm about to seizure or something. I've never had that but I presume this is what it feels like.
I get a jolt in my head and in my body. It begins in my legs and just jolts up my arms and torso and I can feel my muscles about to spasm and I panic and alert myself before it happens. I'm f***ing scared by this.

The complex contains vitamin b6, biotin, zinc, l glycine, inositol, l theanine and griffonia.
I also take magnesium sometimes too as someone told me it was good to stop drugs damaging the brain.
I heard too much zinc and magnesium might leas to serotonin shock thought maybe I'm getting a mild case of that?

It's just happened which is why I'm writing this, the strongest I've felt it yet.
I'm thinking it's something to do with serotonin. Maybe upping serotonin isn't safe to do with phenibut?
I don't really get this when I use phenibut but don't use the 5htp complex. Sometimes I feel it a bit in my legs but not much.

Is it the 5htp complex and phenibut inter acting? Or is it the phenibut, should I slow down with it?


On phenibut -

So I've been using phenibut for months. It's definitely getting weaker. I did cycle it but in the end I found myself using it every day I was in work and taking non-work days off. I do get depression when I'm off it and don't feel as good, but just feel like my normal crappy self and the depression is bad but not unbearable yet. Most I took off was a week and it was pretty grim but I didn't crack up or anything.
Started upping my dosage but that no doesn't give me the stimulation that it once did nor the happy feeling I once got. The happy feeling could either have been it messing with dopamine or more likely my own excitement about it working whereas now I'm used to it. Now it just has an anti-anxiety, anti-stress effect, although not as high as it once was. I'm at 2.3g and plan on slowly cutting back.

I still love the stuff and I've had some fallout from it, but it wasn't unbearable. Maybe because the longest I was off it was a week.
I'm thinking I should be reducing the dosage and using bacopa to try and up regulate the receptors.

Anyone have any idea how long it takes for the receptors to upregulated again by simply weaning off it though? Does it take months or even years or just weeks?

[123apk]

I also started aniracetam too but this began before then and I've been using not alongside phenibut to get the social effects of phenibut back.
I still don't feel euphoric and happy like I once did on phenibut though. I'm hoping that'll come back

And I smoke too.

[insearchfor]

I noticed that phenibut also is becoming weaker with time. I've used it maybe for 7-8 times in last couple of months and I see that I don't get the feeling I once had with phenibut like complete tranquility and mood boost... Now I get only slight relaxation.

I read somewhere that magnolia extract upregulates GABA receptors and fasoracetam.

Fasoracetam would upregulate receptors in a matter of days as much as I'm informed

[metabrain]

Serotonin syndrome is a completly different experience from the one you describe, in serotonin syndrome you will sweat profusly, your heart races and you have panic attacks, you will throw up. It is an all round horrible experience, operating on a polypharmacy can create various unusual interactions and even new substances in the body that act completly different, you should stop all supplemenetation and add each supplement back in one at a time giving yourself a couple of days in between each addition to troubleshoot. I prefer personal to keep supplementation low and spend my money on good food.

[123apk]

OK, so as stated in my other thread, phenibut is no longer working. Now it's just keeping me at my normal pre-phenibut state with perhaps a bit more wakefulness and not much else.

I did some more reading and found someone on here had done phenibut and had the same experiences I had after a while.
The tremors and shortness of breath (which I'd wrongly attributed to aniracetam) are actually caused by phenibut I believe. The tremors by low dopamine after dopamine upregulation according to the guy. Which makes sense because the incredible motivation, energy and strength I had on phenibut has like completely gone. I also feel like my libido has suffered too. Phenibut delayed ejaculation but days on it'd I'd feel really horny. Now I've gone days without feeling any strong desire to have sex or masturbate, although I still can get hard and cum although it's not mega satisfying or anything.
So I feel like it's perhaps more dopamine that has been down regulated and maybe gaba b too since I read somewhere that phenibut acts on dopamine too.

So I don't know how I'm going to fix this or what I can take. I'm anxious about doing any more damage now and wasting my money on more racetams that don't seem to work too strongly for me.
All that I notice on aniracetam is that I can talk better since I had a speech impediment as a child and still occasionally stumble. It doesn't make me want to talk and socialise more like empathy producing drugs did in the past though.

[123apk]

Oxytocin sounds nice for socialising, but I can see it wearing off from continual use and messing me up even more.
One thing I did read about it though was it was used to reach people their way out of social anxiety by getting them to talk to random people whilst on it to get over their fears. But it also said any negative experiences they had on it with people would stick the same way so it'd probably have to be done in a controlled environment unknown to the person being treated. I think if I took it and tried socialising with strangers to learn my way out of social anxiety it could perhaps work but the danger would be there that there'd still be the random person I approached or walked by that would say something negative that would stick in my mind and ruin it.

I've read that dopamine and testosterone go hand in hand though. Low one or the other afflicts the other one.
I'm not sure if my T is low, I'm pretty young and had a healthy libido until recently. It might have suffered though if my dopamine receptors are down regulated I guess.
I've been trying to eat better and build myself up anyway, so I'm trying to drop the phenibut dose down gradually and hope that my dopamine goes to normal. And I'm eating a good diet for testosterone and weight gain and I might try mucuna for testosterone, hopefully I can get some confidence, libido and motivation back and hopefully it'll help dopamine too.
I'm just worried mucuna might down regulate the same way though, I need to do more reading.

I think rhodiola affects dopamine too, so I might try it in its pure form instead of the complex. Something in the complex I have just makes me moody and pissed off.

Just hoping none of these herbs cause down regulation. To an extent I need something to upregulate receptors.