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Global Demographic Collapse has Arrived!

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#61 Keizo

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 01:50 AM

One way to increase birth-rates, and this might be tried if things go far enough, is to ban contraceptives. More specifically the most convenient and physical forms of them such as condoms and birth control pills. I would guess that this would in fact increase birth rates quite a lot, but not to extreme levels necessarily.  As far as financial carrots to make (intelligent) people have more children that if I recall didn't prove effective in the past. Fear I am sure is a much better motivator, fear of spending time in prison or getting a big fat tax for not meeting the state-required number of pregnancies. Although these suggestions are getting a bit ridiculous or at least unrealistic, and I do think and hope that there are quite enough intelligent people that do want and will have children on their own accord.

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#62 mag1

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Posted 03 December 2017 - 08:47 PM

It might take a while, though we really need to think of demographic collapse as the solution and not the problem.

Crowd wisdom has brought us to this state; trying to find ways to manipulate it could be very counter-productive.


The Asian perspective of demographic decline has shown considerable wisdom. It speaks to a meditative quality of

accepting what is and allowing one's mind to contemplate and adjust to reality as it exists; not adjusting reality to

fit what the mind wants to exist.


I have found contemplating this point of view helpful.

Life is not good nor bad.

Life is as it is.

Accepting objective reality as it exists is adaptive and it shows a measure of maturity.



Yet, the Western perspective has been less adaptive. Instead of accepting reality as it is and letting our minds adjust,

we have adjusted reality to fit our mind's sense of reality. Basically this approach avoids having to think. Even after going

through a large demographic shift mass immigration has largely not changed reality at all. After a generation immigrants 

to Western nations typically adopt a low fertility lifestyle, so an endless influx of new migrants becomes necessary.

However, as can be seen in the above Figure, we have reached the point where there will be no surplus fertility in 

any nation outside of Sub-Saharan Africa. Western nations might soon require their citizens to adjust their internal

equilibria as the option to distort external reality might no longer available.


The great benefit will be that the highly socially disruptive mass immigration window will be closed and Western

nations will be able to restore the sense of community that has been constantly eroded for the last many decades.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:47 AM

I am so happy that we have now rolled into a New Year and the approaching severe demographic is even closer.

We are day by day and year by year inexorably moving to a world in which conflict is essentially impossible.


Last year, Syria, one of the only highish fertility nations finally felt compelled to go to the peace table. 

It is more than a little surprising to me that they had not been induced to do so even sooner.

With millions of its citizens fleeing, ongoing causalities and a fertility rate that was nearing replacement levels and

falling, no other realistic option was open to them. This is one of the best examples of a conflict that was resolved 

due to demographic forces.


The demographic force on the few remaining high fertility (and concurrently conflict) nations will now escalate.

It is very comforting to know that we are now on autopilot to a better more peaceful world.


Of course, the one large remaining region is Sub-Saharan Africa. It will take almost to the end of this century for

the same demographic circumstances to emerge there. The exponential growth in their population and the ongoing

decline everywhere else, will probably create a world in which there will be people in desperate need of help and

the people expected to provide assistance will simply not be in a position to offer such assistance.






Edited by mag1, 09 January 2018 - 12:48 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:21 PM

All of you are speaking like it's not intentional that fertility rates are declining. Have you hit your heads? Birth control and abortion, as well as so many social movements regarding people's ""rights," have exactly to do with reducing population growth and fertility. You probably don't need an iq higher than 80 to figure this stuff out.

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