Maybe the racetams just aren't for you? Have you tried having coffee or green tea with the piracetam & choline combo?
The first time i tried Piracetam it was like heaven (a bit too high a dosage - 4.8 g - but still). Thoughts came more rapidly, i didn't feel anxious about talking with people. I felt highly creative and poems, movies', and books' meanings came out to me in manner i never thought possible, i even desired to write a book (non fiction) in a topic that alluded me for a bit but began to make sense during it. I dare not speak of the beauty that music began to have and the ecstasies experienced because i'm going to begin sounding like an infomercial lol.
There was too much fluidity for the 2-3 days on it and i stupidly thought to myself that DMAE would counter that in a positive manner (DMAE: Too focused without fluidity + Piracetam: Fluidity ~ focused fluidity?) instead of logically deducing that i should just systematically lower the dosage, it is here that you begin to value the scientific method and the experiences provided on this forum lol.
I would love to get back on piracetam and experience those moments, and as far as coffee with it, i believe so, it takes a lot to get it equal to normal focus w/o brain fog [in the manner of an amount of caffeine (~200 mg) in the morning and then about a shot of espresso an hour after the intake of Piracetam/choline]. The 200 mg of caffeine isn't healthy and required a meditation that i seemed to discover at that moment to dramatically reduce heart rate. Though this was with choline bitarate, i believe caffeine levels could probably be reduced to half if taken with better forms of choline at higher dosages. Good advice, i nearly forgot about this method, will try it soon once finals are over lol.
Try to stop what you're taking now for about 1-2 weeks and start again, adding 1 thing at a time for 1 week, then another the next week and so on.
Sometimes it's hard to find the supplement that is causing the problems.
When i started my stack some 2-3 years ago ( alpha-gpc , alcar, piracetam and more) i was dizzy and walking in the fog all day long.I never felt worse in my life then that period.
I tried to counteract things by upping my alcar or alpha-gpc intake, but it just made me feel worse.
After a while i decided to stop taking all those sups,they only gave me brain fog instead of clarity of mind.
Now one month ago i started with Piracetam only, which give my the effects i want.I figured out i only need some extra choline if i have a headache from the piracetam, stacking with alpha-gpc is just no good option for me.
when you say some extra choline how do you define some, i'm imagining lecithin?
Thanks for the advice i'll try to systematically introduce compounds in a pure state rather than this manner
Edited by mysticpsi, 14 December 2007 - 09:08 AM.