Posted 08 May 2025 - 04:16 AM
I feel like I can reflect on what I have tried so far. Ha ha, I remember some line from a cheesy hallmark movie, I caught the end of one time. It felt like I jumped off a cliff and built my wings on the way down to be a little melo-dramatic. I feel I am better off from 6 months of experimenting, but I had some issues even before I had a minor/moderate concussion.
I had some logistical, layperson understanding of some of these protocols but I felt I could understand a little more, as I got into around three months of treatment.
It all started a long-time ago... well almost 2 years ago, if I recall Kelvin made his warning about 5htp could mess up your serotonin receptors. I always wanted to try the c60 protocol, with 5htp no less.
I've had lots of areas in my life to keep me occupied trying to remediate much issues. My brain works a little haphazardly and non linearly. When I read his post I was like cool; wouldn't that be a potential permanent cure for OCD. Than I read it again and thought well a permanent treatment for the symptoms of OCD. I wasn't fully educated myself on harms of SSRI's. Still serotonin seems the best treatment for OCD.
There is a well to do researcher I am aware of, who thinks outside the box. He mentioned a patient with OCD that finds smoking helpful. I've started low dose nicotine lozenges that May help, it's a little early to say. I will mention this same researcher later.
I am pretty sure I also decided on the spot after Kelvin made that post, that I was definitely going to try 5htp. I am a person whose had a mild-moderate concussion whilest also a hypochondriac, so I wasn't in a race to try c60 till I felt comfortable after doing OCD research. I have always had a bad memory but I also planned to wait for Kelvin's update.
I had panic attacks as a teenager, but I remember thinking 4 years ago that at that period of my life I felt, somehow, unexpectedly like I was the most in touch with being a human or some odd notion.
Back to the C60 with 5htp problem. I definitely thought how Kelvin had figured out all the specifics of the negative effects induced by 5htp combined with c60. Then it must be easy to mitigate for these hiccups and still use the protocol. I think this popped into my head when he gave his warning. I don't remember, but I assume. I imagine I thought preliminarly that I could just do the protocol then just take all his remedies afterwards. In the end in may still result in a net postive benefit to my cognitive restoration vs potential damages or negative side effects to be corrected after the fact. I was just floating ideas.
I am ignorant of the science enough to be a little brave about combining extra supplements into these protocols. I understand the guidelines to only include the most necessary elements to prevent potential contra-indications. I may have thought right off the bat, why not take all the remedial supplements before the c60 to hopefully gain some of the restorative benefits while lessening or stopping the upregulation of serotonin receptors and all the bad with it. Or I may have thought take the serotonin blockers some short time after the c60 protocol.
I like to think I did a lot of research like I read some posts by Area1255. I thought that user mentioned something along the lines that dopamine receptors were less easily up or down regulated or something to that point. I eventually just decided like that saying better to stay with the devil you know, based off i Kelvin had figured out all the negative outcomes and how to remediate them.
I did think it might be cool to try c60 with any number of agents but than thought it is better safe than sorry. With a concussion you can be a lot less inhibited than might normally be. I thought of insulin because that may help with cognitive ability. I think my insulin receptors may be down regulated perhaps from some prior negative exposure. I don't know off the top of my head if concussion affects insulin receptors. I am a bit of an endomorph which is probably good for longevity, so if I messed up my insulin receptors could change or have other negative effects.
Having had a brain injury and a lot of personality issues formerly, such as executive functioning issues, anyways led me to overthink with planning, but then not really follow thru fully. I planned to explain to my family doc about needing Propranolol. I didn't even really know propranolol is a blood pressure medication used for stage fright. I have a prescription now, it was a breeze to get. didn't fully understand everything Kelvin wrote prior to today, now I may be able to wrap my head in a general sense around it all a bit better. I won't ever understand the science and logic.
I believe I made one glaring mistake with thinking it's all related to serotonin receptors so I could just take collagen and fulveric acid too be able to get by with put upregulating receptors. I probably missed adrenelin receptors that can mess up blood pressure. I told myself I'd take magnesium, fish oil and I have culturelle yougart already assummed that would be fine.
I think I felt pretty good the first 4 rounds or so over 4 months. I think I experimented taking the collagen and fulveric acid before and after the protocol. After a couple rounds I dropped fulveric acid and kept collagen based off the premise less variables to counteract anything. I got some of the effects others talked about, only if I opted to take collagen after the c60 protocol. I got irritable and feeling brain fog and maybe speed up, but this state would resolve within 45 minutes of taking 6g of collagen.
In the 4th and 5th month I think I pushed back how long I waited to take collagen thinking the intense reaction may signify the C60 and stem cells are working better. This may be why I had some negative outcomes more towards the end of the 5th month. I never felt much, perhaps a mild intense state, as long as I took the collagen an hour or two before the c60 protocol.
I glossed over the comment made to another user's attempts with c60 and NSI-189, with a point made of the intense reaction could be excitology and ensuing damage. I did get a lot of benefits, I alluded to in my other post. But I wasn't very diligent in the weeks in between protocols. I rarely took fish oil but I did take Cacao. I would take like 5 grams of collagen at morning and night on an empty stomach for two weeks after each iteration of the protocol.
But when I had joined this site 2 months ago I had already done both my 4th treatment with no noticeable net benefits, and after the 5th I felt a bit worse off physcially and a little irritable. I say I still retained much of the benefits overall. I'm not the sharpest person to begin with. I felt like fainting or worse one time coming out of the sauna. I believe I was fasting at these times. I read that saunas can mobilize some brain aggregates. I thought it must be that. I would take olive Leaf extract and feel better, having read that olive Leaf can work with autophagy. It can also lower blood pressure, unbeknowst at the time. I sometimes took taurine too with the same switched around guesses as to the cause of my dizziness.
For the past year or so I have been taking tau-protein and amyloid removal protocol roughly daily. I believe that has been beneficial combined with this protocol. I ended up taking theanine, fish oil, and garlic and after 2 weeks I felt a lot better. I did a round of stem cell protocol without 5htp.
I did a medical check up and my blood pressure was 110 over 80. It changed from 120 over 70. I didn't have a blood pressure monitor when I was feeling crappy. I imagined I didn't ask for guidance because I am trying to recover on my own. I also don't perceive this website as being for people to have thier hands held. I also didnt want to get talked out of my experimentation.
I do feel I made some mistakes and it could have went smoother and had been a bit more effective. As I said a brain injury can be severely damaging to quality of life. Maybe in 30 years I might regret experimenting, but I'm not sure, consider an attempt to regain a bearable or greatly increased quality of life for the next 30 years, or hoping.
There is no known treatment for brain trauma. The symptoms can be greatly improved, but far below optimal, however, baring in mind what the long term viability of taking loads of antioxidants and anti-inflammatories.
About 2 weeks ago I decided to take another go at it. I took 5htp 2 days with c60. I took 6 gams collagen an hour or 2 before, an hour after I took propranolol with more collagen. On the second day I took the propranolol an hour before with collagen. I never had any of the brain fog or irritability. I think I could feel a little off during this treatment and for 2 weeks after. I felt best taking 10mg propranolol bi daily for the two weeks post. I continued to take 5g of collagen bi-daily. I measured my blood pressure and it stayed in my normal range.
I feel well enough right now. My next step I guess would be to address senscient cells. I was not very scientific with my approach with stem cells. I get kinda tunnel vision or set on a path, probably partly due to brain injury and being not a very logical person. I took like 3 to 5 days of fusion with 5htp per monthly cycle over the last 6 months.
At the beginning I kinda dabbled with a little of senoytics on fission days, but then I got anxious about that attempt from what I read about mixed reviews and some concerns that the bulk of research is based on mice. I decided to look into whether all my potential senceient cells induced by injury, might be more feasible to fix by pluripotency.
Another consideration i have is about the posssible excitology damage that I may have done over the last 6 months. On top of serotonin upregulation, which I see as remediated on my own by using collagen.
I was just recently thinking about having had panic attacks over a year long period in my teen years. I always felt like I was never the same person after that. I also had insomnia, may or may not have been misdiagnosed with something more severe than OCD. Wasn't quite like night and day change, but moderstely worse off.
I mentioned following a University proffessor/medical researcher. I followed his blog more for like general interest in what he covers more on philosophical basis. He did mention some of his research work, including SSRI's. The posts are vague since it's his personal blog more about society and philosophy rather than academic.
The Proffessor did mention in one post about how SSRI's can just be used for anesthesia purposes. He is against SSRI's and pyschotoroic drugs in general, and an interesting free thinker. I was stumped about that position. Than a year or so ago I learnt that much of his research was based off the work of a head researcher in his field.
This head researcher has an interesting blog too. I don't know if their are studies to be found. The head researcher has an interview where he theorirzes his explanation for post sexual PSSD. The same theory covers why people may not feel themselves after taking these meds. I was thinking of making a post on this site sometime to share his theory because I don't recall seeing it mentioned on this site.
Supposedly the theory goes on about the flooding of serotonin causes damage to fine nerves on the end found at end of extremities and I wonder if fine neurological neurons are affected too?
I have to surmise that may be what the other researcher was alluding too when he mentioned anesthesia. The SSRI's can cauterize neurons and reduce feelings and pain? I may have read that pain killers can offer some relief but perhaps that's from antiinflmmatoey mechanism or I am misremembering. Perhaps you feel some pain from damaged neurofibers. I also remember reading serotonin may give joint pains. Same mechanism, who knows.
Perhaps he just meant it cause psychological pain or else psychological numbing. I don't know I have some deficits at logic. The head researcher mentioned a colleague who never quite felt like himself again till about 3 years off of SSRI's. He stated he believed the nerves of his coleague repaired themselves in that time.
For me after about the 3rd monthly stem cell treatment I think I felt all around a fair amount better, happier and more quicker mentally. I haven't quite regained that, in spite of over all I feel on the whole I feel I am still progressing and made repairs on the whole at a greater level. Perhaps just some fine nerves got frayed or shorted. Maybe some of them have repaired a bit. It maybe power of suggestion I thought for a while my libido may have been negatively affected slightly as well, after the 3rd month. I Feel pretty well off at the moment now, but I could be better.
I wonder if remyleniation agents could be used for PSSD low sex drive symptoms. Perhaps used with c60, but that is above my pay grade as the saying goes. I did think of the thread started by fafner55 about restoring mild cognitive deficits. I thought of using that protocol in the near future. He uses lions mane as one agent and that has greater NGF potential.
Fafner55 is one the members here, I believe who used NSI-189 or another sertogenic agent with c60. Perhaps I am being too presumptuous, but if he and other users had some excitology effects the protocol, maybe his cognitive restoration treatment restored some of the deleterious effects he may or may not have had, on top of improving what he set out to improve upon with his treatment.
If the c60/sertogenic synergy causes similar damage to myself like it may have done to myself when I had panic attacks and also took some powerful meds as a teenager. This could be similar curcumstances like what is theorized to be some lingering damage from SSRI's proposed by one researcher. I should do some homework to find studies.
I can't wish I could have had someone managing my case for myself these last 6 months or 4 years. I am an adult and made my decision even though the science is still over my head. I have another preexisting condition that I believe I might have wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone with the work i did with c60. Perhaps than I would have been a lot further along with my recovery while conserving stem cell reserves. Maybe my stem cell reserves can replenish on it's own with wishful thinking. I am still considering working on these endeavors.
I only tried my best to follow ideas put forth in this thread. I certainly feel ahead from where I was, but can't help but lament it could have been done more effectively.
I am sure others will see what I did as a little risky and not ideal. Wishful thoughts that I am pretty healthy overall besides the concussion. I have tried to my best with supplements based of studies posted here and my diet and exercise the last 4 years. My sleep could have been better the last 4 years, it was never great. Hopefully I haven't done too much unknown damage to any systems.
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