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#1 GreenmachineX

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 04:48 PM


Outside of actual pharmaceuticals, no herb or supplement has the same impact on the way I feel like a powerful (or crappy) Multivitamin. I used Thorne’s 2 per day at 1 cap per day for a year and ended up with extremely tight muscles resulting in shoulder impingement syndrome and angular cheilitis. I switched to Life Extensions 2 Per Day at 1 cap per day and the angular cheilitis went away, but I was hypomanic and had terrible palpitations and lots of anxiety (shoulder became worse), and lost excess hair daily in the shower and my hair/beard gained a ton of grey. At the time during these I had no idea what was causing what.

About 6 months ago, I stopped all supplements and vitamins and had horrible histamine reactions, difficulty breathing, lethargy, brain fog, and an intermittent lump in my throat that felt like my throat was closing. I’ve since been experimenting with different multis and figuring out what’s causing what but nothing so far let’s me feel normal.

I’ve figured out that it all has to do with folate and b12 and the forms. I’ve tested negative for the mthfr mutations but I definitely feel better with the active forms of those vitamins. But, too much of them causes middle of the night insomnia, and not enough causes the other symptoms. And the angular cheilitis is back. I’ve tested just adding extra methylfolate on top of Thorne’s Basic Nutrients III at 2 caps per day, but that resulted in disorientation, brain fog, dizziness upon standing up too quickly and anxiety.


I’m experimenting now with Thorne’s Basic Nutrients III at 3 caps per day instead of 6, as 2 of them a day isn’t enough either (no extra folate as that was horrible). My shoulder impingement is getting significant better with increases of all the vitamins at this new dose and causing all my muscles to relax a bit.

Amidst all of this I can’t quite figure out what’s causing my blood pressure to run quite high for my age with scary spikes. It’s always been borderline high too since I was 18. Recently, with a certain combination of multi and ksm-66 and taurine, I had it at 125/80, but that’s the lowest. Typically it runs 130’s to 140’s over 80-90, depending on time of day and symptoms occurring when taking it. If palpitations start up when taking it, it’ll be high. I really feel like when I figure this vitamin thing out, I’ll have normal blood pressure because it’s been almost normal before.

What do you use? Anyone have any insight on what’s going on with my symptoms? Thanks in advance.

#2 Boopy!

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 06:15 PM

wow this is interesting to say the least.   I quit taking multivitamins since I never saw a difference,   to this day,   AND because usually there's  too much of one thing and too little of another....it was just too difficult to fix this with every single one I tried.    Now I'm onto trying to make up for what I lack in diet,   which is a bit cheaper  (not by much probably)  so I hear you --  it is TOUGH figuring out what is doing what.   I'm impressed you could even figure out the methyl deal with B vitamins.   I couldn't have done that.  

 

My only suggestion would be to do as you once did and stop taking the multi you are currently using.   Then slowly add in high quality supplements -- only if you can afford it -- or better yet,   the purest form of foods.   Do insanely healthy eating if you can.   And I don't mean the rich people way of juices and smoothies,   although if you like that then feel free.   I mean like poor people way like me --   water,  fruit,   veggies,   fish.   Eat like my immigrant grandparents.   This is all in addition to bloodwork to figure out what's up with the blood pressure.   Is it genetic though?



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#3 John250

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 06:52 PM

Outside of actual pharmaceuticals, no herb or supplement has the same impact on the way I feel like a powerful (or crappy) Multivitamin. I used Thorne’s 2 per day at 1 cap per day for a year and ended up with extremely tight muscles resulting in shoulder impingement syndrome and angular cheilitis. I switched to Life Extensions 2 Per Day at 1 cap per day and the angular cheilitis went away, but I was hypomanic and had terrible palpitations and lots of anxiety (shoulder became worse), and lost excess hair daily in the shower and my hair/beard gained a ton of grey. At the time during these I had no idea what was causing what.

About 6 months ago, I stopped all supplements and vitamins and had horrible histamine reactions, difficulty breathing, lethargy, brain fog, and an intermittent lump in my throat that felt like my throat was closing. I’ve since been experimenting with different multis and figuring out what’s causing what but nothing so far let’s me feel normal.

I’ve figured out that it all has to do with folate and b12 and the forms. I’ve tested negative for the mthfr mutations but I definitely feel better with the active forms of those vitamins. But, too much of them causes middle of the night insomnia, and not enough causes the other symptoms. And the angular cheilitis is back. I’ve tested just adding extra methylfolate on top of Thorne’s Basic Nutrients III at 2 caps per day, but that resulted in disorientation, brain fog, dizziness upon standing up too quickly and anxiety.


I’m experimenting now with Thorne’s Basic Nutrients III at 3 caps per day instead of 6, as 2 of them a day isn’t enough either (no extra folate as that was horrible). My shoulder impingement is getting significant better with increases of all the vitamins at this new dose and causing all my muscles to relax a bit.

Amidst all of this I can’t quite figure out what’s causing my blood pressure to run quite high for my age with scary spikes. It’s always been borderline high too since I was 18. Recently, with a certain combination of multi and ksm-66 and taurine, I had it at 125/80, but that’s the lowest. Typically it runs 130’s to 140’s over 80-90, depending on time of day and symptoms occurring when taking it. If palpitations start up when taking it, it’ll be high. I really feel like when I figure this vitamin thing out, I’ll have normal blood pressure because it’s been almost normal before.

What do you use? Anyone have any insight on what’s going on with my symptoms? Thanks in advance.

I would think it’s probably a different factor if you analyze it more but:

“Vitamins and Hypertension

Vitamin K helps to synthesize the proteins needed to help blood clot. Vitamin K does not cause high blood pressure but can interfere with factors that regulate blood pressure due to changes in blood cell clotting. Vitamin E is another vitamin that can affect blood pressure levels. According to the Drug Safety Site, vitamin E can elevate blood pressure to dangerous levels, especially when first taking the supplement. In addition, vitamin E can increase your risk of bleeding and should not be combined with other blood thinners. As always, speak to your physician before taking any over-the-counter supplements, especially if you have high blood pressure.”

https://www.vitamind...s/hypertension/

https://www.gardenwe...-blood-pressure

Edited by John250, 06 July 2018 - 06:56 PM.






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