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[experimenting]

Is there anything to it? Mumbo jumbo about resetting dopaminergic receptors, etc. Any real science to it or just ultimate placebo?

[MichaelFocus22]

No there are certain parts of nofap that are placebo and aren't. Most of the information on nofap I will be reiterating from a ancedotal perspective. I used to a big part of the nofap community and would go on long streaks like 200+ days of without porn and jacking off. Obviously, I struggled with forms of hardcore pornography and was a chronic masterbator because it allowed me to escape my problems and provided me with an outlet that was away from the bullshit that was ADHD. Even to this day I still am battling pornography. Once you watch pornography it will be the hardest thing you ever stop doing. I really mean this. Anyways, typically what happens when you stop fapping, your testosterone levels will rise over a 7 day period and  you will become significantly more confident and cocky basically. It happens every single time that I do this. There are scientific studies that verify, this because sense you have semen retention you become excessively horny and thus this excess energy is either expelled through semen absorbtion or something else. So that's the only real part that has been scientifically verified everything else after this is typically ancedotal. It's hard to describe but women will treat you differently and will all of sudden give you attention and act more sexual towards you when before you were essentially invisible. Some have theorized about hormones but it's simply bullshit. It's moderately true that the most female attention I got were on my longest streaks on those times, I had like 5 to 6 girls I was talking to and one I was almost dating but I believe it's foolish to attribute this to simply stop watching porn or ceasing masturbation.

 

                                 What nofap really does is give you motivation to actually want to fuck and meet girls because now you have to actually work for it. All of a sudden I was motivated to talk to chicks and compliment them because I was horny as hell. So, you will BE FORCED to find a lady because your brain will drive you NUTS. I don't really know how women control their sex drive so well, it could be a biological thing. Next, you will notice as you get into the 40+ day range of nofap that you will do things you've never done before. You'll be more confident, more disciplined, feel like the same and want to interact with the external world more. Before, this I would just sit on my computer all day and do nothing. Now, I had a plan to  do x, y ,z so I could get the chick. Women are more motivating than you really think. All of this is CONTINGENT on maintaining semen retention, if that semen leaves you through involuntary ejaculation then typically most of the benefits are lost. I mean you keep maybe 50% but you don't feel the same. It's pretty weird frankly. Yet, I had multiple involuntary ejacs and still felt really good. So your goal is to keep that shit in you. Your body will naturally absorb any excess semen. Oh ya, You will also command much more presence and people will pay attention to you more but that isn't always necessarily a good thing either. You might be a bit more consistent with workouts but that's purely from my experience. From a success perspective, I think it was basically almost the same so it's more likely placebo nofap isn't really that big of a deal. The most important thing to do is fapping and watching porn kills your MOTIVATION to work towards your goals and to actually to something meaningful. So it's probably more of the indirect benefits that would probably benefit you the most. Now, did this translate into sex or anything? Not really and don't expect it. I'm a pretty attractive dude and very cutt despite my ADHD and it none of it meant shit. So don't expect nofap to make you a fucking god among ladies just do it for the sake of doing it and you'll feel alot better.  You need to remember that I've failed hundreds of times because it's not sustainable and if you have watched porn for years your brain may be PERMANENTLY WIRED to crave it. From my experience, it never really goes away. Even one image can set you back many many months. Then you'll be fucking mad at yourself but it's not really that big of a deal.

                                                 Next if, you do nofap then the first 1-7 days are the most painful except day 4 -5 this is where you will get horrible headaches and your dick literally hurts very badly. At least for me it did. On day 6 your brain will work on telling you that you NEED to FAP and their's no point in not doing it. I've fallen for this many of times. Since, I'm not getting laid what's the point right? Well you have to persist FOR THE SAKE of doing it. Day 7-14 things get better but now you get images in your head of chicks and every girl you want to fuck. Girls start looking at you and can feel your energy but that doesn't really mean much. You start getting a ton of boners and that'll piss you off. 14-21. Things will level out a bit and those benefits you saw will level out and it will become more subtle but you will go through some of the worst migraines in history. I recall a few days where I screamed in aggression because of how much my head hurt. It felt like someone put a nailgun to my head. I would sit in my room for 5 hours just screaming in pain. Now, I have no idea what causes this but it's like theirs a war going on inside your mind. Especially if you have a HIGH sex drive like me and no place to channel it. This is crucial you wither the pain.21-28 days, you will seem different but you won't really be able to describe it then you will feel like you've mastered yourself. You ARE WRONG.This normally where I slipp out and subtly want relief because it's like an itch that never goes away. At this point, especially from other nofap bro's we typically work on getting numbers and do cold approaches but we want sex now, sense we have become so disconnected from what the actual pace of a relationship is. So you should typically get more chick attention and you might talk about sex more casually. Girls probably will touch you more and shit and you won't know why. Oh and your dick will smell HORRIBLE, like it will smell like death. Use alot of baby power and what not It eventually goes away. Day 30-100 is basically the same as  the last things get better and better but ANYTHING can set you back you might feel it's behind you but this is YEARS OF PORN, literally THOUSANDS OF HOURS of immorality being pushed into your mind that your purging. Keep your guard up because anything could set you back. This is normally what happens to me is when I let my guard down.  To finish you WILL probably get alot of of motivation because your sexdrive will drive you nuts and probably a bit more female attention.

 

                                     Would I recommend it? That's hard to say because your basically torturing yourself and anything can send you back to day one. If you don't have semen retention then you lose a good deal of benefits not ALL of them but some. I mean if your pretty attractive don't waste your time this is only for us INCELERS(involuntarily incelibate men). If you do pick this path, it's a way of life. Once, you do it you must adopt it forever. You must do nofap not for the benefits but because it's the right thing to do. You must do it for it's own sake and not any other reason. I do it even though I keep failing because it I enjoy the discipline aspect and fucking hate porn. In some respect, nofap isn't really worth these very minor benefits, your better off going to a bar and getting drunk to get a chick then do this. It's really alot of suffering for no reason really.  Above all, you will feel more manly because you've mastered your sexual urges, they do not control you, you control it and I would say this is important because women have way better sexual control then we men have. So if you do this, then you will better able to level the playing field. I recall at my peak 5 months ago at SUMMER CA, I was at 200 days and women literally were throwing themselves at me. I was capable of showing restraint and now I was dictating the sex. Do it because you want to master thyself. If your doing this to get laid, your wasting your time. Even when I did do it, I was still afraid to get intimate because I have intimacy issues ect. Pornography and other addictions often cover up deeper issues we hide from ourselves. I call it are true-self and it will be very scary at least for me it was. I was belligerent, frustrated, had emotional pain from the past. Was full of all these flood of emotions that I had apparently been suppressing and the first time in my life I had to LIVE WITH IT AND DEAL WITH IT, I fucking hated having to see my real self. It was horrible and then I learned I really hated people and all their success. I found out I was spiteful and full of rage against women. I felt dejected and so many other things that pornography was apparently masking. I was NOT even aware of this. ADHD is a motherfucker because you suppress your emotions.  It's the only way I keep sane. So maybe, you won't have to see your real self and maybe your just addicted because you like it. I don't know but if you find your real self you will NOT like it.  I warn you if your not able to handle your real self then you'll go running back to your escapes like a bitch. Ofcourse, I'm still a bitch but it's better to do something than nothing. Do it to master thyself. A man who masters himself is the agent of his life. That is why you should do it.  Oh and if your doing this for a chick your wasting your time, women are naturally hypergamous meaning they will trade up the moment they can. This is their natural inclinations, so this would be a WRONG reason to do nofap because even if you do all this shit self improve, get money, whatever it is you will still have to deal with hypergamy. So you will be expendable regardless even if your high quality man, so nofap will never change this. Master yourself and everything else follows.

Edited by DrewMichael21, 01 January 2019 - 06:48 PM.

[mono]

I've actually done this before a number of times due to circumstance, not necessarily because of the nofap theory. I probably have gone a year+ on three different occasions and never really found any benefits tbh.

 

I think there really is something to the sublimation of sexual energy in something like the taoist practice of microcosmic orbit, but that takes a lot of practice, otherwise you are just clogging yourself up.

Edited by mono, 01 January 2019 - 07:41 PM.

[experimenting]

So two vastly different perspectives. I'm looking to fix a broken reward system. Hoping for dopaminergic up regulation etc etc but sounds like I need to take it all with a pinch of salt. New year, new you...gonna try it and see how we go.

[Dichotohmy]

While I agree that porn is often degenerate trash that we would all be better off to not consume, especially most modern porn, I think that the "no porn" and "no fap" movements are a lot like faith movements built upon an observation assumed to stem from a cause - the cause being not watching porn or not masturbating. Specifically, an improvement is observed when followers cease consumption of porn or the act of masturbation. This correlation-causation assumption leads to the zealotry often seen in "no porn" and "no fap" followers.

 

I just doubt there is any good evidence that any improvement can be attributed to some proposed "no fap" mechanism. Sex hormones interact in a way too complex to make such simple generalizations about, and because these hormones follow a cyclical circadian rhythm like other hormones, one would have to take multiple measurements per day, over time, from a large and tightly-controlled cohort, to gather any credible evidence that there is a hormonal mechanism to "no fap." By tightly controlled, I mean that we can reasonably assume that "no fap" is the only factor that could be influencing sex hormones, and other lifestyle factors or pathologies are absent. Such an assumption is practically impossible to control and so, because lots of things can influence the endocrine system, any objective evidence for "no fap" should be viewed skeptically.

 

Of course, it never seems to be the guy who jerks off once or twice a week who notices a vast improvement from "no fap," but instead the addict who jerks off for a cumulative hours a day, every day, usually to porn. So in essence, those who improve do improve do so simply because they are ceasing an unhealthy habit. In that sense, such an improvement would be like, for instance, that seen by an alcoholic who gets through the withdrawals and stays clean and sober. Or, for instance, a man who works 80 hours a week, but cuts back and spends more time with his family. Ceasing an obviously unhealthy lifestyle habit and spending the new-found spare time on more productive ventures, is obviously a good thing to do when common sense dictates. That is to say, people who masturbate  and/or watch porn in reasonable moderation don't seem to improve from ceasing, because those habits have not achieved the level of "unhealthy" for those people.

Edited by Dichotohmy, 01 January 2019 - 08:28 PM.

[experimenting]

Isn't there something to be said about forced vs real pleasure? I'm not sure the science is quite there yet, but there are some analogies being made between porn users and drug addicts. In both cases there's a forced/immediate reward as opposed to indirect gratification.

[MichaelFocus22]

  The fundamental truth of  nofap is the ability to be able to deny yourself your own gratification for a longer term reward. You are doing something for it's own sake rather than for an immediate gratification of yourself.  Porn addiction is no different then taking heroin, your basically cheating the system when you should be fucking a bitch instead you choose to take the cheater way out. Now you can tell me all sorts of shit to justify it I really don't care because I've been there already, so I know what this is like. Porn addicts often have horrible insecurities or are understimulated like myself. So we use it to hide from our problems, to make ourselves feel good and for low self-esteem. Porn addiction is one of the hardest addictions to stop. The withdrawl is awful as well and is similar to stopping nicotine. The premise of nofap is being able to let go of the here and the now and to work towards the future. If you choose to be stimulated by it then you will always be dependent on the present and be incapable to work towards long term goals because your always seeking your next high. Frankly, porn has probably permanently rewired my brain because I saw this shit against my will at a young age of 7 and it did damnage. If you habituate to such an extent your brain will become imbalanced because watching porn is the norm.  I watch it because I crave stimulation and I'm chronically underaroused, the same goes for video games, internet addictions, mulitasking it all is the result of ADHD. Now as a result, my brain doesn't have the ability to delay gratification like an NT(neurotypical) can. This is what gives them such a disgusting advantage over the atypical ND(Neurodivergent) individual.  We are stuck in the present and seek relief because we want to feel normal. This is why neurotypicals kick my ass at most things because their able to steadily sustain their focus on a task and continue to improve, while I'm incapable of doing this biologically. If your a normal person or NT(Neurotypical) with your privilege of PFC(Prefrontal Cortex Functioning) then you should easily be able to get a girl, so I don't see why you would even need porn. Being normal is fucking easy. All successful people are capable of delayed gratification which is denying themselves now for a future reward this is the purest essence of nofap. I say, I will drive myself insane until I can find a bitch to fuck. If you don't you will go crazy. Yet, if you choose the path of porn you will be forever dependent upon it and never get anywhere. At least this has been from my experience. The concept of real pleasure is merely doing something fucking hard for it's own and that is the REWARD, neurotypicals are capable of deriving pleasure from boring shit. Go lift weights, go run, write a book and as you struggle through these challenges you will grow and you will GAIN DOPAMINE, because you intentionally worked towards the task and it improved you. You saw your hardwork and that is it's own reward. This is what nofap will teach you  if you choose to. Unfortunately my brain doesn't have these capacities or I would destory NT(Neurotypicals) but this merely out of spite. If your NT then you already have everything you need. Just remember all success is founded upon denying yourself FOR THE SAKE OF IT. 

[Keizo]

(Just speaking about ejaculation here, not porn)

Everyone knows that you can get tired for a  (almost always unspecified)  period of time after ejaculation. 

Ask a medical doctor how long someone should feel tired (or whatever exactly might be measured) after ejaculation and I'm 90% sure he could not give you a statistical breakdown of how many people recover within 2 hours and how many recover within 2 days, etc.

Is there even any research done focusing on the subjective feelings in the matter? subjective feelings AFAIK aren't what science tends to focus on directly because filling out questions is a bit iffy whereas  various proxies like hormone levels, blood pressure, etc are more concrete.

 

I view the whole nofap in a similar way to my late testicular development. (or various other slightly odd things I've experienced) My testes doubled in size when I was ~23 years old, over the course of <1 year. They went from 10-15ml to 25-30ml each. I'm guessing nutritional deficit was responsible, I went from slightly under normal BMI to normal around that time, started eating vitamin D3 and a few other supplements. Typically what is heard is "Your testes don't grow past 1X years old"

That's just to say I doubt most people would benefit too much from nofap, but I'm sure for some smaller portion of the pop. it can be invigorating.

 

Personally I notice some fatigue and anxiety the day after if I ejaculate more than 3 times a day or so. I also think I have something of a buffer - if I don't ejaculate for a week I can ejaculate a  lot more than usual without noticing any detriment. I have quit many projects the same day I ejaculated, hours after. I certainly also notice myself getting a bit careless in certain ways when I go 1-2 weeks or more without ejaculation. 

[John250]

The whole nofap thing is pretty confusing to me. From a neurotransmitter standpoint dopamine is released during sex and after orgasm in men prolactin is increased. When prolactin increases dopamine decreases. I don’t think there are any studies showing of the timeframe but I doubt it would be that long. I also highly doubt people experimenting with nofab have higher levels of dopamine 24/7. Other neurotransmitters like serotonin play a role in orgasm and so do many other functions in the body. I think a lot of these guys contributing nofap to their boost in lifestyle, etc. may be more contributed towards the fact that they are watching less porn and being more productive with other things. There are far more benefits to having an orgasm then not. Everything from an overall better mood to an increased immune system. I also don’t believe there is an increase in testosterone, at least not permanently, from nofap. If you have gone a long time having sex or ejaculating and then suddenly stop you’re going to have a change in mood not only from a “slight”neurotransmitter alteration and altered stress levels but people tend to have mood changes when anything in their lifestyle is changed whether positive or negative. After a while homeostasis kicks in and your body will adapt to not having sex or orgasming and you will live the same way you did when you were having lots of sex/orgasms. When you’re not having sex or orgasms and it’s “new“ to you, you’re going have an increased libido from releasing more endorphins which is probably what’s being confused for an increase in testosterone/dopamine. It would be similar to cutting all pleasurable foods out of your diet and then re-introducing them.

Edited by John250, 02 January 2019 - 10:50 AM.

[gamesguru]

Real cuddling releases oxytocin, stuffing your hand down your pants doesn't.  Mastering Buddhism and Daoism permanently raises dopamine, having lots of sex doesn't.

 

Why not try it yourself for a few months and form your own conclusions?

[MichaelFocus22]

  I wanted to comeback to you an give you a bit more information on nofap because I've discovered an amazing revelation and the truth behind why masterbation is meaningless. The reason why you get those amazing benefits which I can attest to after 40 days, is because of semen retention. As you keep the semen within your body your body transmutes and converts that energy which explains why I had fucking amazing energy and new found concentration with ADHD. I was more goal driven and had more desires than ever before. Women will throw themselves at your feet. The point of nofap is to use SR(semen retention) to promote into improve cognitive faculties which you can use to destroy your competition in a capitalist economy. Apparently it's known as sexual transmutation and it's in a weird ass reddit but it's very logical and touches upon some concepts of the bhad gavita. So, this explains much of my observations and as to why I would feel like shit the moment I busted a nut for a few days and would be immediately treated differently. Is because your essentially expelling your most powerful essence which is your seed which makes you all that you are and more. I don't really give a fuck if you don't believe, this but I believe, I found another mechanism that can be used for success. On my SR of 45 days I had jobs lined up left and right and everything was effortless. So, I see why the western world promotes the delusional concept of masturbating because that energy if it's used correctly can disrupt the natural order and you can literally control this energy to give you a disgusting advantage over other people. Keep in mind I still got these advantages despite having a disability so this is very good if your a priviliged NT(Neurotypical).  In the end, sex is a meaningless concept because the goal of a man is to use his energy to create amazing work and achievements. This explains why I would always get fucking angry and frustrated because I wanted to fuck a bitch to release the energy because I had no constructive way to channel these the powers of of SR(semen retention). So, these nofap nerds have taken this shit to it's extreme but they have illustrated and discovered eastern philosophy which apparently they've been doing for thousands of years to discover enlightenment. Then their is the concept of using KAREZZA sex or sex without orgasm and NIEP sex. These concepts are very profound and I reccomend you study them. With concerta and SR(Semen retentation), I will be a god. Goodluck on your journey, I reccomend you ignore women and use the SR(Semen Retention) benefits towards a monetary and long term goal rather than a girl who is transitory and short term. Women typically aren't attracted to you they just want your energy, they want to steal it because they don't have it. Call me crazy but those SR nerds have made some good points. Even Nikola Tesla was celibate because he was using sexual transmutation to make amazing innovations in his field. Think of what you can do with this? You will get improved cognitive abilities, better memory, and charisma and confidence.  With a Stimulant like concerta you will have infinite energy and and a tireless drive. I believe, I've found my answer towards godhood. It's poetic justice really.  Anyways, I'm just going on useless tangents again. Wanted to give you a bit more indepth knowledge about nofap.  If you do it, you must use it for SEXUAL TRANSMUTATION of the excess SR(Semen Retention) energy your body converts or you will become angry and probably relapse. I now have motivation to never fap again. SR(SEMEN RETENTION)= Path to Increased Monetary success.

[experimenting]

I wanted to comeback to you an give you a bit more information on nofap because I've discovered an amazing revelation and the truth behind why masterbation is meaningless. The reason why you get those amazing benefits which I can attest to after 40 days, is because of semen retention. As you keep the semen within your body your body transmutes and converts that energy which explains why I had fucking amazing energy and new found concentration with ADHD. I was more goal driven and had more desires than ever before. Women will throw themselves at your feet. The point of nofap is to use SR(semen retention) to promote into improve cognitive faculties which you can use to destroy your competition in a capitalist economy. Apparently it's known as sexual transmutation and it's in a weird ass reddit but it's very logical and touches upon some concepts of the bhad gavita. So, this explains much of my observations and as to why I would feel like shit the moment I busted a nut for a few days and would be immediately treated differently. Is because your essentially expelling your most powerful essence which is your seed which makes you all that you are and more. I don't really give a fuck if you don't believe, this but I believe, I found another mechanism that can be used for success. On my SR of 45 days I had jobs lined up left and right and everything was effortless. So, I see why the western world promotes the delusional concept of masturbating because that energy if it's used correctly can disrupt the natural order and you can literally control this energy to give you a disgusting advantage over other people. Keep in mind I still got these advantages despite having a disability so this is very good if your a priviliged NT(Neurotypical). In the end, sex is a meaningless concept because the goal of a man is to use his energy to create amazing work and achievements. This explains why I would always get fucking angry and frustrated because I wanted to fuck a bitch to release the energy because I had no constructive way to channel these the powers of of SR(semen retention). So, these nofap nerds have taken this shit to it's extreme but they have illustrated and discovered eastern philosophy which apparently they've been doing for thousands of years to discover enlightenment. Then their is the concept of using KAREZZA sex or sex without orgasm and NIEP sex. These concepts are very profound and I reccomend you study them. With concerta and SR(Semen retentation), I will be a god. Goodluck on your journey, I reccomend you ignore women and use the SR(Semen Retention) benefits towards a monetary and long term goal rather than a girl who is transitory and short term. Women typically aren't attracted to you they just want your energy, they want to steal it because they don't have it. Call me crazy but those SR nerds have made some good points. Even Nikola Tesla was celibate because he was using sexual transmutation to make amazing innovations in his field. Think of what you can do with this? You will get improved cognitive abilities, better memory, and charisma and confidence. With a Stimulant like concerta you will have infinite energy and and a tireless drive. I believe, I've found my answer towards godhood. It's poetic justice really. Anyways, I'm just going on useless tangents again. Wanted to give you a bit more indepth knowledge about nofap. If you do it, you must use it for SEXUAL TRANSMUTATION of the excess SR(Semen Retention) energy your body converts or you will become angry and probably relapse. I now have motivation to never fap again. SR(SEMEN RETENTION)= Path to Increased Monetary success.

Yep OK, so I started this a week ago. Let's see how my net worth does this year.

[Dichotohmy]

Semen retention and sexual transmutation are old and esoteric ways to describe concepts that can better be explained by modern science.

 

Is semen is some sort of substance, like one of the Four Humors, an imbalance or depletion of which causes illness? Or could it be that the people who feel worse after ejaculating, and thus feel better from retaining semen, have some presentation of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome? What is more likely? Honestly, there could be another factor in that retaining semen helps to retain zinc and other minerals, along with a small amount of energy that would be spent by the body to make more semen, but It is very doubtful this would be significance for anyone but those suffering malnutrition.

 

I'm a little less skeptical about the concept of sexual transmutation, by that I mean that there is something to the concept, but I think there are much more simple and rational explanations for the purported benefits. Instead of there being some sort of esoteric sexual energy, which can give us powers like the guy from Limitless, by being abstinent and not thinking about sex all the time, we have more time, energy, and focus to spend on more productive endeavors. If one spends a lot of time, money, and emotional energy chasing flings on Tinder, such a person will of course experience benefits from instead pursuing more substantial things. That person will also feel better psychologically by avoiding all the baggage that comes with hookup culture. Of course, here again, anyone with a presentation of POIS is also going to feel better for being abstinent and thus not aggravating the autoimmune disorder.

 

 

Edited by Dichotohmy, 03 January 2019 - 05:02 PM.

[experimenting]

Semen retention and sexual transmutation are old and esoteric ways to describe concepts that can better be explained by modern science.

Is semen is some sort of substance, like one of the Four Humors, an imbalance or depletion of which causes illness? Or could it be that the people who feel worse after ejaculating, and thus feel better from retaining semen, have some presentation of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome? What is more likely? Honestly, there could be another factor in that retaining semen helps to retain zinc and other minerals, along with a small amount of energy that would be spent by the body to make more semen, but It is very doubtful this would be significance for anyone but those suffering malnutrition.

I'm a little less skeptical about the concept of sexual transmutation, by that I mean that there is something to the concept, but I think there are much more simple and rational explanations for the purported benefits. Instead of there being some sort of esoteric sexual energy, which can give us powers like the guy from Limitless, by being abstinent and not thinking about sex all the time, we have more time, energy, and focus to spend on more productive endeavors. If one spends a lot of time, money, and emotional energy chasing flings on Tinder, such a person will of course experience benefits from instead pursuing more substantial things. That person will also feel better psychologically by avoiding all the baggage that comes with hookup culture. Of course, here again, anyone with a presentation of POIS is also going to feel better for being abstinent and thus not aggravating the autoimmune disorder.

Hmm, moving away from the science here. Is there anything to the dopaminergic dysregulation theory?

[John250]

I don’t know how you guys can do it. I know a lot of it is mental for me but any more than 48 hours I’ll get restless and that’s all I would think about before I fall asleep. It almost feels like going to sleep without brushing my teeth or urinating or something. I think the longest I’ve ever gone was 4 days one time when I had the flu.

[mono]

There is a spot between the anus and testicles known as the perineum that if you press down hard enough while you orgasm the semen can actually enter the bloodstream. This is one method of sublimation however it can be dangerous as the semen can get stuck and cause a UTI.

This is just an example of how proper sexual sublimation can be done, with the right practice one can trigger an orgasm through meditation and have the energy travel up the spine into the brain.

I think this is the right method of sexual sublimation, and having semen actually enter the blood stream as opposed to simply ceasing masturbation. I think only very little of the semen would really be sublimated otherwise.

Just my thoughts anyway.

 

[experimenting]

OK wow this thread took a turn. I'm not going to try such a thing.

Last call, does anyone know anything about the dopamine dysregulation theory, or no?

[MichaelFocus22]

There is nothing unique or special about dopamine dsyregulation theory it's merely where your neurons are depolarized and desensistized to normal dopaminerginic rewards, so that you crave significantly more stimulus so that you can effectively feel normal. This is very common among drug addicts, because their constantly seeking a new high so that they can feel normal or in essence they have an impaired reward system. You can have  dopamine dsyregulation and have absolutely no problems with parkinsons disease. I've abused all times of things and I have dopamine dsyregulation because my brain is chronically underaroused by definition. What your really asking what's the difference between genetic dopamine dsyregulation theory and  and an environmental one. It's probably impossible for an individual get dopamine dsyregulation if your NORMAL because orgasm is the highest natural high you can achieve so it shouldn't cause any damnage because it's a natural mechanistic problem that the brain creates for itself and can readily solve. If your taking drugs, like heroin, crack cocaine, and other drugs that force the neural synpatic path to produce artificially high amounts of dopamine then yes you will eventually develop this dsyregulation which could be permanent. I don't really have this issue because I'm already seeking to get high anyways. If it was up to me I'd have sex with as many girsl as possible  if I could because I have a form of hypersexuality or craving if you will. Anything I do, I WILL EVENTUALLY abuse it, hence why concerta doesn't really bother me very much. If anything my addictive tendencies GO AWAY because I no longer need stimulus. So no I don't have dopamine dsyregulation it didn't come from porn it's a genetic thing more than likely. I was showing symptoms as a child long before I discovered porn. Now what, porn probably did  is it rewired my brain permanently making me permanently susceptible to porn addiction for the rest of my  life and I doubt that's going away anytime soon. High porn users often have hypersexuality or a disgustingly high sex drive and they don't know how to sexually transmute this energy, so they go to porn for the problem. So, the answer is no dopamine dsyregulation is not likely to occur to cause permanent damage.

                                                        Perhaps, you have something wrong with you because you keep asking these types of questions, most of these issues your mentioning are not really neurotypical problems. Most NT(Neurotypicals) can stop fairly quickly and move on with their lives without batting an eye. They wouldn't really be theorizing about this type of stuff unless they felt is was an implicit issue. All I can say is, with ADD, I would probably be dead if I DRANK alchohol. My father was a chronic alchoholic and has been drinking for 35 years. My sex-drive is insane and it's hard not to go crazy but I have sexual transmutation for that. Most dopamine dsyregulaiton is often GENETIC and NOT environmental. Porn CAUSES natural HIGH, so it shouldn't damage your  post-synaptic reward gaps. You should just do it for SR benefits then keep pondering the mechanisms, their is no real way to know. That is all.

Edited by DrewMichael21, 04 January 2019 - 05:24 PM.

[MankindRising]

Fucking a women and jacking of on porn and doing drugs have a couple things in common, they release endorphin/opioids and thus create a CPP or CPA, depending if you thought she was a good fuck or not. I cant imagine not doing drugs and neither having sex it would drive me insane and ready for the mental institute.

Anyhow, enough of the speculation I actually found some proof that the compares all these types of 'addictions' all together.

 

https://en.wikipedia...ated_plasticity

[John250]

I have noticed when using too many amphetamines my sexual compulsions are insane. I will masturbate to porn three or four times a day and I have to keep on looking at weirder and weirder shit to get off. Plus the whole time I have amphetamine dick so I’m masterbating a 1/2 hard dick. It’s disgusting.

[MankindRising]

I have noticed when using too many amphetamines my sexual compulsions are insane. I will masturbate to porn three or four times a day and I have to keep on looking at weirder and weirder shit to get off. Plus the whole time I have amphetamine dick so I’m masterbating a 1/2 hard dick. It’s disgusting.

Haha yeah thats dopaminergic sensitivy changes, it goes from soft erotic shit to bdsm like scenarios in order to get some thrills.

Makes me wonder if those sensory deprivation tanks actually can have mental benefits for those who believe in the nofap stuff.

Edited by MankindRising, 05 January 2019 - 10:58 PM.

[experimenting]

Haha yeah thats dopaminergic sensitivy changes, it goes from soft erotic shit to bdsm like scenarios in order to get some thrills.
Makes me wonder if those sensory deprivation tanks actually can have mental benefits for those who believe in the nofap stuff.

OK so you'd concur there are dopaminergic sensitivity effects. Are these reversible simply via Nofap?

[MankindRising]

OK so you'd concur there are dopaminergic sensitivity effects. Are these reversible simply via Nofap?

I dont last past 2 days, what can I say Im not one to judge.

[gamesguru]

I don’t know how you guys can do it. I know a lot of it is mental for me but any more than 48 hours I’ll get restless and that’s all I would think about before I fall asleep. It almost feels like going to sleep without brushing my teeth or urinating or something. I think the longest I’ve ever gone was 4 days one time when I had the flu.

 

went 3 weeks once and it was a bit of a negative experience.  probably not as negative as an experience as doing it multiple times a day, which is probably why the myth has some truth behind it.

 

now i try to stick to once or twice a week.  addiction is a funny thing.. "getting restless" and having something where "that's all I would think about before I fall asleep"

[MichaelFocus22]

If you want some real evidence check out my sexual transmutation thread. The difficulty is keeping that semen in your body so it's not wasted because your body is constantly tempting you with wetdreams to release it or make you want to go back. I feel the same as of now. Most SR benefits are typically cumulative over 20 days or longer is when you really feel it. Just remember nofap is basically inferior to sexual transmutation in everyway. People do nofap 99% of the time to get laid which is meaningless and the same thing as pornography. Yes, it's basically getting high with a girl that you've objectified. There's literally zero difference. SR and ST takes things to the next level, granted if your immature your probably not ready for it.  Little boys take time to become men.