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[John250]

Has anyone tried this yet? It’s relatively new and there is not much info about it. Supposedly it works very well for people who have a tolerance to Adderall and/or Vyvanse.

[MichaelFocus22]

 The problem with most of are ADHD drug treatments, is that their merely reformulations of methyliphenidate and adderall. As far as I can tell it appears to be the same as XR release adderall, so it appears it has 3 beads so that it's supposed to have 16 hour coverage which is probably around 10/12 realistically and most people wouldn't want full coverage anyways. Have you considered reuptake inhibitors or beta-blockers instead? If you have tolerance for vyvanse and adder-all then I highly doubt your going to have better luck with these psycho-stimulants. Also, your tolerance should have reset by now and do you have  real ADHD?

Edited by DrewMichael21, 05 January 2019 - 03:26 AM.

[John250]

The problem with most of are ADHD drug treatments, is that their merely reformulations of methyliphenidate and adderall. As far as I can tell it appears to be the same as XR release adderall, so it appears it has 3 beads so that it's supposed to have 16 hour coverage which is probably around 10/12 realistically and most people wouldn't want full coverage anyways. Have you considered reuptake inhibitors or beta-blockers instead? If you have tolerance for vyvanse and adder-all then I highly doubt your going to have better luck with these psycho-stimulants. Also, your tolerance should have reset by now and do you have real ADHD?

I only have mild ADHD I never needed amphetamines until I was prescribed them a little over four years ago after I took my first one I got addicted. Reuptake inhibitor‘s don’t work well for me. Ritalin gets me jittery with no euphoria. Wellbutrin blocks amphetamines positives as they both compete for DAT. I wasn’t aware beta blockers increase dopamine but I was just reading up shortly on it seems to be hit and miss and some can potentiate hypothermia induced from d-amp. I do take Nebivolol because it’s a 3rd gen BB without most sides and works off arginine and has health benefits But I have not noticed any dopaminergic activity. I think my main problem is I snort 75% of my amps. In the morning I take my Vyvanse orally then The rest of the day I snort anywhere from 40-80mg adderall. I realize it’s counterproductive and the high wears off 10 times as fast but for some reason I can’t stop. I need to force myself to only take them orally or plugged and I’m sure I can cut back on at least half my amount. It’s just a mental thing right now I feel like I have to snort everything I’ve noticed. At the end of this month the sale of my store should be complete and I will be working from home where my wife is and I can’t be snorting drugs all day so I’m actually looking forward to it. I’m the type of person that almost has to have something happen to me to stop like somebody supervising me or like let’s say some type of sinus infection where “something” else prevents me from snorting versus my own mental discipline I lack.

Edited by John250, 05 January 2019 - 09:57 PM.

[zorba990]

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"In mice conditioned to cocaine, drug-seeking activity was inhibited faster and to a greater extent with sodium butyrate than without it, neuroscientists at the University of California-Irvine say."

[CalmDown]

Mydayis is just double xr adderall. Given it's produced by shire, you can expect the exact same effect as adderall xr, just longer acting. Also with the benefit of being the name brand quality.

Recommending a beta blocker instead of adderall is probably the most uninformed information I have ever heard as 1-withdrawal would be hellacious, 2-they do not act anywhere near the same as each other. If anything, pretty much opposed.

Given you are admitting you abuse these things and are addicted, I would more so recommend you work on breaking your addiction or get help because snorting that much daily on top of what you take orally is for sure neurotoxic and causing damage.

This isn't a place to talk about how we can help your addiction, as any other knowledgd member here will tell you. The goal is to increase longevity and vitality without causing damage

[MichaelFocus22]

Agreed, you shouldn't be inhaling drugs like a drug addict, just so you can get high. I have real ADHD-PI and I have to deal with a bunch of fucking bullshit to get concerta which isn't even addictive compared to adderall not to mention I don't even like taking it. The goal of medication is to get close to a functioning human being so that you can become a productive member of society. Your giving people who really need this a bad name. Especially these fucking idiots in idaho, they've never had to starve or jump job to job and dealing with this stigma is fucking cancerious. My suggestion is go cold turkey and find a sweet spot. Which is the lowest possible dose for the maximum number of benefit with minimal side effect. This is what you should be striving for, not being a drug addict. I didn't become addicted to porn by choice, rather it's how my brain adapts with being underaroused. I just want to be normal already. Finally Beta-blockers are useful for mood control and regulating impulsivity, so I wouldn't call it a bad idea, some beta-blockers have been known to inhibit some addictions. So no it's not a bad decision nor irresponsible. Above all, I'm wondering if you even have ADHD and aren't just a drug addict?

Edited by DrewMichael21, 07 January 2019 - 09:23 PM.

[John250]

Thank you but I disagree that this is not a place to talk about addiction. There are hundreds of threads of members helping other members with addiction. Plus getting rid of an addiction is going to increase longevity so they do go hand in hand.

As far as beta blockers go:

Propranolol is first line treatment for akathisia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC1192441/

“Motor restlessness has been proposed as the possible result of an imbalance between the central dopaminergic and β2-adrenergic systems. The improvement in akathisia from propranolol could thus be due to the β2 blocking property of propranolol.”


It also is used for anxiety and a variety of psychiatric disorders.

https://mentalhealth...e-beta-blocker/

Edited by John250, 07 January 2019 - 09:34 PM.

[CalmDown]

Yes, threads on how to beat addiction, not how to add to it. Mydayis isn't going to magically fix the high you get from snorting 60mg of adderall given its no different and just longer time to metabolize.

You said you don't have the willpower to kick the addiction on your own, and really, working from home isn't going to change that if you personally don't have the willpower. Generally working from home makes people more likely to fall into slumps and be laxidasical. This is why I suggested seeking help.

I agree with Drew in the going cold turkey, as I've gone cold turkey from adderall any time I have quit and just dealt with the extreme fatigue for the few day-week after. (60-90mg drop)
But for you I would first eliminate the snorting cold turkey and retain the Vyvanse. Then switch to trying mydayis instead of Vyvanse as it will at least give you more alertness and sympathetic energy because of the L-amphetamine. If also recommend an nmda antagonist to help with the tolerance/withdrawal issues. There are dozens of articles on here about nmda antagonism helping with this.

However, I would not recommend a beta blocker after cessation of adderall unless you want to sleep 24/7 lol.
while I agree beta blockers can/do help with sympathetic anxiety, or to cut back on twitching from amphetamine, it sounds more like your issue would not do better from blocking beta receptors

[MichaelFocus22]

 You could also look into ketamines or just smoke weed and that might cause a cessation of your ADHD but I suspect your more of a drug addict frankly. Especially if it's mild ADHD you shouldn't need such high quantities of adderall which makes no logistical sense. CBD oil might be better for you as well.  

[CalmDown]

You could also look into ketamines or just smoke weed and that might cause a cessation of your ADHD but I suspect your more of a drug addict frankly. Especially if it's mild ADHD you shouldn't need such high quantities of adderall which makes no logistical sense. CBD oil might be better for you as well.

Ketamine would be a bit excessive as it's just the nmda antagonism from Ketamine that helps with addiction. And that can be had from other, easier to get and easier to dose substances.

As far as dose needed, I agree it is a high dose, especially the snorting that much. That's fully unnecessary and says you want the high and not the help, but people that don't take short breaks from them build up tolerance and end up needing more. There are people that have been prescribed 180mg a day just to hit the therapeutic window. That's why it is highly advised to take at least a day off a week and a week off every 6 months to avoid that high tolerance.
But nmda antagonism these days has been shown to also help drastically in keeping tolerance from building.

Hell, when I was still young and in school, I took 30mg xr until I needed 2 30mg xr a day just to get through, and then when I got into business it got to a point where I needed an additional 20mg ir on some days just to get through. I put that on not maintaining my health properly and working 15 hour days and not taking a day off. But it shows it does happen. Especially because doctors are so careless and don't explain how to properly take medication to maximize efficiency. Hell, looking back after I finished my degrees, I noticed how many doctors I have had that didn't even fully understand what they were prescribing.

Im not pushing to try to call someone an addict and not trying to help them understand the whats/why's of what's happening and how to fix it. We all make mistakes at points and we all wish that someone was there to help us in those times

[CalmDown]

Side bar-please don't be one of those people that recommends pot or cbd oil without evidence to back up how it may help that specific individual.

Generally, people that benefit from adderall in a therapeutic sense do not do well from pot as it does the opposite of adderall. (not talking about taking them at the same time)
So it leaves them tired, lethargic, and unmotivated. Sometimes even anxious as it does to me.

[John250]

I know that I don’t need any drugs because I may have had a mild case of ADHD but lived a perfectly normal life until I started Adderall. After trying it from the first day I got hooked. I have a very addictive personality I always have. I have an appointment with my therapist tomorrow and I’m going to go over mechanisms on how I can work on more self-control and willpower and if I can’t kick this when I’m out of my store with my wife helping me I think I’ll just end up doing some type of a inpatient or outpatient rehab if need be. The thing is a few years ago I did kick it from a 4-5month Vyvanse taper but then I went back on 4-5months later when things started to get more difficult in my life and I needed the energy and motivation. It’s also not just amphetamines, sometimes I’ll use opiates like maybe a 5mg Vicodin and then I notice I don’t need as many amphetamines throughout the day but then about a week later I find myself getting hooked on opiates even though I’m using less amphetamines. So it’s definitely mental for me.

I get very obsessive with things it’s one thing and then that becomes my everything. In high school I was into drag racing it’s all I cared about all I did was modified my car did nothing else. Then I got into bodybuilding and it became an obsession that’s all I did it’s all I lived. And after not going to the gym the past 6 months I almost got into the mindset of that is the norm to me so I find excuses to not go. I never smoked cigarettes and about eight months ago I had one for the first time and was reading my emails on my phone, then I found myself having three or four a day only while reading emails and now whenever I read emails I find that I need a Cigarette.

A big problem is having drugs on hand. I have easy access to them all the time and even if I flush it down the toilet the next day or two I’ll find myself regretting it and I’ll just order some more thinking I can control myself this round which never ends up happening. What’s also bazaar is when I opened my store I was sitting there all day bored doing nothing and the addictions got the worst(idle time, devils playground). I absolutely hate this place and I’m in the process of selling it but what’s odd is I find myself coming back to the store at night when my wife and kids are asleep just to fuck around on the Internet or Abuse substances,etc.. In a way it’s almost like Stockholm syndrome.

[CalmDown]

My next statement doesn't have much backing(maybe one or two papers I've read), but its postulated that people that get hyperfocus on hobbies have higher levels of norepinephrine and/or don't break it down properly/as quickly. I also say this part from experience.

Anecdotal Explanation/professional opinion - Doing something that you start to enjoy releases dopamine, as well as makes you feel like you belong(serotonin assumingly). So when you go to stop doing these, dopamine and serotonin lower as normal, but norepinephrine doesn't because of stated above. This causes anxiety and makes you want to get back to doing the said hobby.
Speculative of course, but it does make sense as norepinephrine is needed in order for someone to become hyperfocused and to create the sensation of excitement.

Having said that, without adderall, you could try to add magnesium/zinc every few days (lowering copper levels) to tone down norepinephrine to see if that helps with the obsessive tendencies.

But im happy to hear you do want help for this and are looking for ways to fix it. And I hope you the best of luck.

As far as back to mydayis, switching it out with the Vyvanse may actually cause more obsessive tendencies. But if length of duration is what you're seeking because Vyvanse just doesn't cut it, you can always ask your doc to try it out

[MichaelFocus22]

Then why the fuck did you get adderall in the first place? You knew you were playing with fire and you bite the snake and now it has you. I would kill to have mild ADHD that would be a blessing. If I can kill pornography which is alot harder then stopping adderall than you can as well. Pornography addiction is way harder.  You shouldn't have been messing with those medications if it was only a minor impairment. Most minor ADHD, is very treatable with exercise and good copying mechanisms, it's only needed when your not able to have a productive professional life. Flushing that shit down the toliet isn't enough. You need to get into a rehab or some type of facility and get this taken care off before it destroys you. I have an addictive personality like you, I toke adderall and stopped because I hated it. Addiction has nothing to do with willpower and it has everything to do with actually wanting to stop. You need to regulate your addiction or it will consume you. Addictions have destroyed huge quantities of my life that I will never get back. Just go cold turkey and go through the withdrawl. Most ADHD people do cold turkey, because it's all or nothing type of functioning.  Shame on you, is all I can say. You played with fire and now your addicted. This shit pisses me off because of the stigma it creates for people who actually need it.

[John250]

Then why the fuck did you get adderall in the first place? You knew you were playing with fire and you bite the snake and now it has you. I would kill to have mild ADHD that would be a blessing. If I can kill pornography which is alot harder then stopping adderall than you can as well. Pornography addiction is way harder. You shouldn't have been messing with those medications if it was only a minor impairment. Most minor ADHD, is very treatable with exercise and good copying mechanisms, it's only needed when your not able to have a productive professional life. Flushing that shit down the toliet isn't enough. You need to get into a rehab or some type of facility and get this taken care off before it destroys you. I have an addictive personality like you, I toke adderall and stopped because I hated it. Addiction has nothing to do with willpower and it has everything to do with actually wanting to stop. You need to regulate your addiction or it will consume you. Addictions have destroyed huge quantities of my life that I will never get back. Just go cold turkey and go through the withdrawl. Most ADHD people do cold turkey, because it's all or nothing type of functioning. Shame on you, is all I can say. You played with fire and now your addicted. This shit pisses me off because of the stigma it creates for people who actually need it.

My old psychiatrist basically said “you might have a little ADHD want to try Adderall.”

I’m a grown man and I take full responsibility as nobody forced it down my throat. I actually had the script for over a month before one day I was really tired and a buddy was telling me how amazing it is so I just took half of a 20 mg to see and I had the best most productive day of my life. And then from there on out it became an addiction.

[Keizo]

Get some Seroquel and sleep for 1 week, after that you might be slightly less inclined to use stims, or not. You might also loose 5 IQ pts after this treatment.

Edited by Keizo, 08 January 2019 - 10:55 PM.