231 replies to this topic

[Hebbeh]

The virus has a low kill rate. The high number of deaths is caused by ventilators and muscle relaxant medication, and the death numbers including people who didn't die of the virus but only suspected of having it. See also:

https://www.telegrap...6ajncWKoKrJ_coo

The deaths you are referring to in respect to ventilators were patients already dying and and the life saving measures were last ditch efforts to keep them alive long enough to attempt to save the life. They were all dying and would of died ventilators or not. It's only true that ventilators weren't the life saving miracle they were hoping for although you can definitely find cases where people have survived when they thought they were dying due to being kept alive by a vent long enough for their body to recover. For you to blame their death on the vent is once again grasping at straws to push your agenda that it's either a hoax or no worse than the common cold.

[theone]

Leaving out the majority of develping countries, were death-numbers aren't even a little relyable, the smallest number for example are:

 

Taiwan 0.3 per million population

Hongkong 0.9 per million

Slowakia 5 per million
South Korea 6 per million

Japan 8 per million

Greece 18 per million

Bulgaria 30 per million

 

 

A common theme in the countries above is that masks are worn by the majority of the population.  Viral dosage  may play a predominant role in the initial progression of the disease and long term outcomes.  In fact face masks were made mandatory in public places in  a lot of the countries above.

 

Edited by theone, 25 June 2020 - 03:08 PM.

[Hip]

 

The virus has a low kill rate. The high number of deaths is caused by ventilators and muscle relaxant medication

 

 

What total nonsense. This is what reading dubious publications does to you: garbage in, garbage out.

[Hip]

Franky, those without a solid background in science, medicine or engineering should not try to understand the pandemic, and should not comment. The coronavirus pandemic is a highly complex and highly technical phenomenon, so unless you have the mindset and science skills to analyze such technical complexity, you are better off staying quiet. This is a subject for nerds only; the scientifically untrained general public should really refrain from involving themselves in debates.

 

All the dangerous fake news about coronavirus is spread by the scientifically illiterate. Fake news is what results when the scientifically untrained try to tackle subjects too complex for them to understand.

Edited by Hip, 25 June 2020 - 05:06 PM.

[Hip]

One thing the coronavirus deniers on this thread have not considered is the issue of long-term health problems in all the previously healthy people who had coronavirus.

 

Lots of people who had coronavirus now have long-term health issues, and at this point it is not clear whether these issues will be permanent, or whether they will eventually go away: 

 

Nearly 88% of patients reported persistent intense fatigue, while almost three out of four had continued shortness of breath. Other enduring symptoms included, among other things, chest pressure (45% of patients), headache and muscle ache (40% and 36%, respectively), elevated pulse (30%), and dizziness (29%). Perhaps the most startling finding was that 85% of the surveyed patients considered themselves healthy prior to getting Covid-19. One or more months after getting the disease, only 6% consider themselves healthy.

 

Source: here.

 

[osris]

But this is exactly how all flu deaths have always been counted according to the CDC website and discussed in previous threads. So when comparing to the "common" flu, it's calculated on the same base as has been always used. Nothing different there. Historically, any deaths involving any upper respiratory symptoms have always been counted as annual flu deaths so nothing new here. And so many died before testing was available without even considering situations where the hospitals were overrun and flooded with patients... They didn't have enough resources to deal with the sick and dying that testing was the last thing they were concerned with. Would it be fair to not count the obvious deaths just because testing wasn't done due to resources not available and the fact that it's not going to change or improve the situation for the medical system when they have bigger issues to deal with? And remember, this disaster isn't even half over yet and is continuing full speed as we speak. The deaths are not slowing down.

And all the deaths doesn't even take into account all the cases of people (many young people) with permanent organ and lung damage that will affect both their quality of life and future length of life.

The better question is what is your agenda to minimize and downplay this disaster? Do you truly believe that it's a hoax and all the people that have died and are continuing to die didn't happen and won't happen?

 

This makes no logical sense. If there is no way to differentiate Covid deaths from flu deaths, what exactly are we discussing if that is the case? We have entered a world of Alice in Wonderland if diagnoses can mean what we want them to mean.

 

Besides, Covid testing has never been accurate. If testing is what you are relying on here.

[gamesguru]

The high number of deaths is caused by ventilators

 

I agree but the reason they are using ventilators over supplemental oxygen is the fluid dynamics.  Oxygen create a positive flow, and encourage virus to spread throughout hospital air whereas ventilator is more self-contained.  There are too many people to care for adequately here, and even if there weren't I would still argue our health systems aren't as advanced as Korea's.

 

The ability of a pathogen to overwhelm hospitals has to be taken into account when calculating the upper bound for fatality rate.

[osris]

The deaths you are referring to in respect to ventilators were patients already dying and and the life saving measures were last ditch efforts to keep them alive long enough to attempt to save the life. They were all dying and would of died ventilators or not. It's only true that ventilators weren't the life saving miracle they were hoping for although you can definitely find cases where people have survived when they thought they were dying due to being kept alive by a vent long enough for their body to recover. For you to blame their death on the vent is once again grasping at straws to push your agenda that it's either a hoax or no worse than the common cold.

 

"The high death rates [from Covid-19] in some countries are due counterproductive treatment methods, such as intubation and the use of steroids."

 

https://evidencenotfear.com/evidence/

[Hebbeh]

This makes no logical sense. If there is no way to differentiate Covid deaths from flu deaths, what exactly are we discussing if that is the case? We have entered a world of Alice in Wonderland if diagnoses can mean what we want them to mean.

Besides, Covid testing has never been accurate. If testing is what you are relying on here.

Are you suggesting that all the death and suffering is just flu?

What do you propose the death and health toll is then and how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Edited by Hebbeh, 25 June 2020 - 07:32 PM.

[Hebbeh]

What's ironic is all the panic on this forum with members brainstorming on how best to prevent, treat, and deal with a potential life ending or altering pandemic virus while others attempt to shrug it off as either a hoax or nothing more than the common cold. Amazing. Simply amazing.

[Hip]

What I find distasteful is when people with an agenda and their own strong beliefs and opinions on coronavirus start a thread where they selectively present articles and studies which support their views, and omit any articles or studies which present different views. 

 

That's just trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, much the same as any politically biased media outlet tries to do. 

 

 

This thread has the title "What we know about Covid so far", from which you might expect a balanced range of articles and material, with a strong focus on factual accuracy; but instead the thread is used as a vehicle to promote osris's own angle and personal views, much of which come from pseudoscientific and conspiracy theory-promoting second-rate media. So this is not an objective presentation of fact, but an opinionated thread grounded in pseudoscience.

 

Nothing wrong with presenting a personal view, but then at least entitle your thread appropriately, calling it "My views on coronavirus" for example. Don't pretend to be balanced and objective when clearly you are not.

 

 

Pamojja has used the same tactic, entitling his thread "Facts about COVID-19", and then proceeding to selectively present articles which support his personal view. 

 

 

We are living in a world where views are increasingly polarized, and people have forgotten what honest objective factual reporting actually is. 

 

 

Edited by Hip, 25 June 2020 - 07:54 PM.

[Hebbeh]

And then we have the other conspiracy theory camp on here that believe COVID-19 is an engineered biowarfare virus (which I'm skeptical of but won't rule out) while others think it's the common cold or is a hoax that didn't happen at all. You can't make this stuff up. SMH

[pamojja]

Pamojja has used the same tactic, entitling his thread "Facts about COVID-19", and then proceeding to selectively present articles which support his personal view.

 
As usual a complete misrepresentation, this is the post you're talking about:
 

The Swiss Propaganda Research (SPR, founded in 2016, is an independent nonprofit research group investigating geopolitical propaganda in Swiss and international media) has an article daily updated very detailed, on all the missinformations in the media and everywhere about covid-19. Worth reading if this whole mess just doesn't add up for you.

Facts about Covid-19 (translations in other languages available at site)
 
 
I'll add only one graphic to illustrate here:

 
I cleary not misrepresented this article with the title "Facts about Covid-19", and reposted here, is really about. (Interestingly the forum search finds it immatiately, Google shows no results for this query.)

 

 

...others think it's the common cold

 

Just further discriminating insinuations. Many well respected virologists at the beginning of this pandemic said, this virus has to be taken seriously, but not over-dramatized. The later has been the mass-media's mistaken way until today.

Other including reknowed statisticans and epidemiologists did of course compare it to the major killers. To say comparing it to the yearly influenzia and pneumonia mortality of the whole world would be downplaying covid-19 risks, is in actually not taking about 3 million deaths from those causes alone not serius oneself at all.
 

These were the top 20 killers in 2017:

Cause of Death         Rank      Deaths

Coronary Heart Disease  1	8,727,670
Stroke                  2	6,221,072
Influenza and Pneumonia	3	3,177,204
Lung Disease	        4	3,162,054
Lung Cancers	        5	1,683,893
Diabetes Mellitus	6	1,570,100
Alzheimers/Dementia	7	1,533,855
Diarrhoeal diseases	8	1,388,418
Tuberculosis	        9	1,372,855
Road Traffic Accidents	10	1,339,206
Liver Disease	        11	1,154,240
Kidney Disease	        12	1,121,214
HIV/AIDS	        13	1,059,626
Low Birth Weight	14	1,056,984
Hypertension	        15	938,129
Suicide	                16	783,407
Liver Cancer	        17	777,816
Colon-Rectum Cancers	18	767,280
Stomach Cancer	        19	749,806
Birth Trauma	        20	690,870

And just now the numbers for 2018 have been released:

Cause of Death         Rank     Deaths

Coronary Heart Disease	1	9,405,008
Stroke	                2	5,765,313
Lung Disease	        3	3,032,444
Influenza and Pneumonia	4	2,947,050
Alzheimers/Dementia	5	1,976,848
Lung Cancers	        6	1,696,334
Diabetes Mellitus	7	1,582,816
Road Traffic Accidents	8	1,399,255
Diarrhoeal diseases	9	1,382,508
Tuberculosis	        10	1,292,603
Liver Disease	        11	1,247,237
Kidney Disease	        12	1,172,181
Low Birth Weight	13	1,012,063
HIV/AIDS	        14	1,011,748
Hypertension	        15	893,402
Liver Cancer	        16	818,785
Suicide	                17	788,851
Colon-Rectum Cancers	18	786,962
Stomach Cancer	        19	755,968
Birth Trauma	        20	678,355

After half a year of covid-19 almost a half a million deaths, probably by the end of the year at a sad death toll of 1 million, like HIV or low birth rate. Nobody in covid-posts here is downplaying covid-19. But those who think its worse than the usualy flu and pneumonia mortality aren't really in touch with reality, or have absolutely no conscience to condinue such smear-campains here, with anyone not agreeing with this unethical possition,

 

3 million yearly deaths - year after year after year - is by all means at least 3 times as catastrophic than covid-19 will be in 1 year.

[Hip]

 I cleary not misrepresented this article with the title "Facts about Covid-19"

 

Of course you misrepresented the facts when you entitled your thread on the Phoenix Rising forum as "Facts about Covid-19", and then proceeded to focus on the opinions of the Swiss Propaganda Research website, which is not an objective source, and which is described as a conspiracy theory-promoting website which is only mediocre on factual accuracy.

 

If you are going to entitle your thread "Facts about Covid-19", then the Swiss Propaganda Research website would be the last source you would use. With a title like that, you should stick to sources known for their factual veracity. 

 

On the other hand, if you were to entitle your thread "Unproven and wildly speculative conspiracy theories about COVID-19", then Swiss Propaganda Research would be a perfect source!

Edited by Hip, 25 June 2020 - 10:45 PM.

[Hebbeh]

 ...others think it's the common cold

 

Just further discriminating insinuations. 

 

 

Once again, you only quote and respond to me in an attempt to deliberately misconstrue and twist my post to fit your agenda.  It has nothing to do with, as you accuse:

 

You seem to assume that anyone not sharing your not very farsighted view must be evil?

 

As it is always you that is guilty of and projecting intolerance of anybody disputing your cherry picked propaganda.

 

Regardless, are you disputing my statement that there are agenda driven individuals both on this forum and in the world at large that believe COVID-19 is an overblown common cold virus (or a complete hoax)?  Are you disputing my statement and claiming that there are no individuals in this thread that appear to be presenting the opinion that it's just a common cold virus with a low kill rate?

 

Why are you always twisting my posts to fit your agenda and who is guilty of intolerance to the point of trying to put words into others mouths?  You consistently passively aggressively attack and bully others views and then attempt to accuse them of exactly what you are guilty of by misconstruing and/or attempting to twist what was stated to further your obvious agenda.

[Hebbeh]

Other unfounded and off topic statements you have made just in this thread in an attempt to distract from the discussion at hand (is COVID-19 an overblown conspiracy) that are examples of your tactics that you then passively aggressively and baselessly try to accuse others of:

 

I don't understand that so many experimenters with novel substances suddenly completely forget about side-effects.

 

Life isn't as simplistic as some seem to believe. 

 

Invented statement that some imaginary "experimenters" are supposedly "suddenly completely forget about side-effects".  What's the basis for this statement and what does it have to due with the discussion at hand?

 

And then another baseless statement accusing others as seeming to believe life is simplistic?  Who would believe that is the case other than to promote your agenda at the expense of some supposed simpletons?

 

You're hopelessly disinformed

 

Talk about belittling and disparaging others ... just what you continually like to baselessly accuse others of.

 

How could you ever go so far of topic? The topic is that the pharmaceutical industry

 

Accusing somebody of going off topic... that is rich.  And for the record, the topic was not pharmaceutical industry but whether COVID-19 is a hoax.

 

You seem to assume that anyone not sharing your not very farsighted view must be evil?

 

Attacking and putting words in peoples mouths... just what you like to baselessly accuse of anybody disagreeing with you.

 

Just further discriminating insinuations

 

Another unfounded and baseless attack to twist what was stated.

 

And I could go on and on.  You are the worst offender of what you like to passively aggressively accuse other of and the evidence is clear.  Unlike the quotes above, I am simply and clearly responding directly to what was stated with no need to twist or misrepresent.

 

And I realize this post has gone off topic but it was past time to be pointed out.

 

And I fully expect another passive aggressive attack for pointing out what you have yourself plainly stated.

[osris]

What I find distasteful is when people with an agenda and their own strong beliefs and opinions on coronavirus start a thread where about COVID-19", and then proceeding to selectively present articles which support his personal view. 

 

 

 

You seem to be making assumptions about peoples' "agendas". Is it wrong to post links to scientific opinion that you don't agree with? 

[osris]

The deaths you are referring to in respect to ventilators were patients already dying and and the life saving measures were last ditch efforts to keep them alive long enough to attempt to save the life. They were all dying and would of died ventilators or not. It's only true that ventilators weren't the life saving miracle they were hoping for although you can definitely find cases where people have survived when they thought they were dying due to being kept alive by a vent long enough for their body to recover. For you to blame their death on the vent is once again grasping at straws to push your agenda that it's either a hoax or no worse than the common cold.

 

In the UK, where I am from, it wasn't just dying people put on ventilators. My cousin is an NHS nurse, and she said that they put anyone over 70 on one almost routinely. They have stopped doing this now for these patients because of the dangers and lack of necessity for it. See also:

 

"Starting this month, a few physicians have voiced concern that some hospitals have been too quick to put Covid-19 patients on mechanical ventilators, that elderly patients in particular may have been harmed more than helped, and that less invasive breathing support, including simple oxygen-delivering nose prongs, might be safer and more effective."

 

https://www.statnews...on-ventilators/

[osris]

What's ironic is all the panic on this forum with members brainstorming on how best to prevent, treat, and deal with a potential life ending or altering pandemic virus while others attempt to shrug it off as either a hoax or nothing more than the common cold. Amazing. Simply amazing.

 

You say the choices are either between a hoax or the common cold. Are you saying that any rendering of accurate death and infection counts is one of these? If that is so, then the UK Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England, must be guilty of one or the other, when they say:

 

"Tens of thousands of Covid-19 tests have been double-counted in the Government’s official tally, public health officials have admitted. Diagnostic tests which involve taking saliva and nasal samples from the same patient are being counted as two tests, not one. The Department of Health and Social Care and Public Health England each confirmed the double-counting."

 

https://www.telegrap...6ajncWKoKrJ_coo

[pamojja]

3 million yearly deaths - year after year after year - is by all means at least 3 times as catastrophic than covid-19 will be in 1 year.

 

Regardless, are you disputing my statement that there are agenda driven individuals both on this forum and in the world at large that believe COVID-19 is an overblown common cold virus (or a complete hoax)?  Are you disputing my statement and claiming that there are no individuals in this thread that appear to be presenting the opinion that it's just a common cold virus with a low kill rate?

 

Why are you always twisting my posts to fit your agenda and who is guilty of intolerance to the point of trying to put words into others mouths?  You consistently passively aggressively attack and bully others views and then attempt to accuse them of exactly what you are guilty of by misconstruing and/or attempting to twist what was stated to further your obvious agenda.

 

I only show in official death-numbers that covid-19 is 3 times less worse than the usual influenzia and pneumonia mortality, and other expert opinions and articles, which are much more articulate and scientific than me. And usually calmly but at times also fierce defend myself against the ceaseless ad-hominems without any reasoning. As just done again.

 

If you can't argue with official death-numbers that covid-19 is indeed not 3 times less worse than the usual influenzia and pneumonia mortality, and continue to down-play a death-toll of about 3 millions a year due to only 'common cold' - all your groundless accusations only do show it is only you who has an hidden agenda, aren't able anymore to respectfully agree to disagree, continue a smear-campain on anyone not your short-sighted opinion, and thereby showing complete lack of integrity on your side for spreading unfounded lies repeatedly.

Edited by pamojja, 26 June 2020 - 10:40 AM.

[pamojja]

Other unfounded and off topic statements you have made just in this thread in an attempt to distract from the discussion at hand (is COVID-19 an overblown conspiracy) that are examples of your tactics that you then passively aggressively and baselessly try to accuse others of:

 

Invented statement that some imaginary "experimenters" are supposedly "suddenly completely forget about side-effects".  What's the basis for this statement and what does it have to due with the discussion at hand?

 

And then another baseless statement accusing others as seeming to believe life is simplistic?  Who would believe that is the case other than to promote your agenda at the expense of some supposed simpletons?

 

Talk about belittling and disparaging others ... just what you continually like to baselessly accuse others of.

 

Accusing somebody of going off topic... that is rich.  And for the record, the topic was not pharmaceutical industry but whether COVID-19 is a hoax.

 

Attacking and putting words in peoples mouths... just what you like to baselessly accuse of anybody disagreeing with you.

 

Another unfounded and baseless attack to twist what was stated.

 

And I could go on and on.  You are the worst offender of what you like to passively aggressively accuse other of and the evidence is clear.  Unlike the quotes above, I am simply and clearly responding directly to what was stated with no need to twist or misrepresent.

 

And I realize this post has gone off topic but it was past time to be pointed out.

 

And I fully expect another passive aggressive attack for pointing out what you have yourself plainly stated.

 

The question about conflict of interest only when it comes to covid-19, is now automatically a conspiracy theory? How comes not everyone who declares conflict of interest isn't automatically a conspiracy theorist? Presented this way its nothing more than an ad-hominem attack without researchable facts.

 

Side-effect about meassures taken: be it by experimenting with neutroceuticals or against covid-19 - all have possible side-effects. To attack those pointing out very probable side-effects by name-calling is ad-hominem again.

 

If one can't think about side-effects, even attacking those who mention them, then one is exposing disabilty in complex and comprehensive thinking.

 

If such defence and giving honest feedback about such continued personal attacks with any reasons or sources is seen as counterattack, it again is esposing lack of self-reflection.

 

The topic about covid-19, its exageragion and deliterious side-effect, is also all about the media and the pharmaceutical industry, with the highest obvious conflict of interest. By all the research-money already granted for a vaccine (which the industry wasn't able to produce in 20 years against any corona-virus yet, without even worse side-effects).
 

I usually quote, and don't put words in peoples mouth. I also quote when wrongly put words in my mouth, as Hip just did, and then despite the given evidence, again exposed his clear agenda going against everything known. I don't attack baseless, but fiercly defend against unrightful accusations.

 

I don't have to quote each instance. It is all still there printed and comprehesible.

Edited by pamojja, 26 June 2020 - 10:37 AM.

[pamojja]

Of course you misrepresented the facts when you entitled your thread on the Phoenix Rising forum as "Facts about Covid-19",

 

I clearly declared "Facts about Covid-19" as an article-title published it on the swiss propaganda research site. Despite your accusation, the evidence is just quoted and able to be seen by everyone. Later I posted parts of that single but regularly updated article, containing expert-opinions and facts usually not found in the scare-mongering mass-media. In which case I even encouraged to double-check the sources of those expert-opinions and articles, for assuring accuracy. As one should to in any case of news or studies, to know for oneself how to interpret it.

 

If you prefer industry-funded 'fact-checking sites', it is your choice. Most, when it comes to their health and governance, for obvious reason would prefer to check the primary sources.
 

Edited by pamojja, 26 June 2020 - 10:55 AM.

[osris]

"Professor Karl Friston explains how as many as 80% of people already have some immunity from covid because of T cell immunity from other viruses, meaning we don’t get sick enough to develop antibodies and vaccines not necessary."

 

https://www.bitchute...o/3169ixZmKvkx/

[Hip]

You seem to be making assumptions about peoples' "agendas". Is it wrong to post links to scientific opinion that you don't agree with? 

 

Your opinions and agenda were clear to see from your very first post, which actually started with a list of articles under the banner of "Covid is Not a Threat". You could not make your views any clearer that that. Your views are clearly that the response to COVID-19 is too extreme, given that you believe it is not a threat.

 

If that's your opinion, that's fine. But you should label your thread appropriately, and not call it "What we know about Covid so far", from which you might expect an objective, fact-based analysis, rather than the articles from a load of second-rate conspiracy and pseudoscience-promoting rags which you linked to.

 

If you cannot even label your threads appropriately, there is not much chance you will get any of the other facts right. So right from the start, you create a credibility gap regarding the statements you present. Precision in language is important. If you have an opinion or hypothesis, call it that. If you have some solid facts and knowledge, then label them accordingly. Don't call an opinion a fact, or a fact an opinion.

Edited by Hip, 26 June 2020 - 02:28 PM.

[Hip]

I clearly declared "Facts about Covid-19" as an article-title published it on the swiss propaganda research site. 

 

Just because the Swiss Propaganda Research site inappropriately labelled their biased propaganda about COVID-19 as "Facts about Covid-19", it does not mean you should also use an inappropriate title for your thread. 

 

 

 

Later I posted parts of that single but regularly updated article, containing expert-opinions and facts usually not found in the scare-mongering mass-media.

 

Most of the time when you depart from the mainstream media, you end up with second-rate analysis, or conspiracy and pseudoscience-promoting rags. There's a reason that these fringe journalists could not make in the mainstream media, and that's because they are second-rate thinkers and writers. Like the Off-Guardian, which is written by journalists who were rejected by the Guardian. It is the journalistic rejects from the Guardian who end up in the Off-Guardian.

 

If you feel more comfortable with second-rate thinkers and journalistic rejects, then that's your choice. But don't pretend you are presenting quality material when you link to these second-rate sources.

 

Edited by Hip, 26 June 2020 - 02:09 PM.

[pamojja]

Most of the time when you depart from the mainstream media, you end up with second-rate analysis, or conspiracy and pseudoscience-promoting rags.

 

Most of the time if one depends on second opinion media articles, one ends up with distorted truth. Therefore it is essential for a clearer picture to check the primary sources of any article.

 

If you don't think so, it is your choice. But don't hope for agreement with such superficial prejudices.

 

Though you could not convince me with prejudices, but by checking primary sources and finding mistakes therein. I actually did some of the reverenced articles at 'Facts about covid-19', and actually did find 1 highly inprobable (later deleted from the article; therefore the author must have double-checked too), and a few very suspicious. The majority however turned out sound.

 

Thats my challange to you: If you can't convince with superficial prejudices not confirmed by checking sources - why you don't try it by checking the sources and sound reasoning of the 100s of articles referenced at 'Facts about covid-19'?

 

Fallacies of discussion wont do.

Edited by pamojja, 26 June 2020 - 02:21 PM.

[pamojja]

Your opinions and agenda were clear to see from your very first post, which actually started with a list of articles under the banner of "Covid is Not a Threat".

 

Then please explain why a 3 times higher death rate from the usual influenzia and pneumonia mortality is not seen as a 3 times more serious threat?

 

No agenda needed for asserting the truth. Just a truth-loving attitude, hating distortion and scraremongering lies. And their worse side-effects in suffering by everyone involved.
 

[Hip]

Most of the time one depends on second opinion media articles, you end up with distorted truth. Therefore it is essential for a clearer picture to check the primary sources of any article.

 
It is the job of all good journalists to fact check their sources, that's why people pay for quality journalism, so that they can have some assurance that the information presented is correct. 
 
The reality is that individual's do not usually have the time to fact check every article they read, so most of the time you have to delegate this job to the journalists.
 
If you are reading second-rate journalism, there is a much higher chance of the facts being unchecked, and a much higher chance of conspiracy theory being incorrectly presented as fact. 
 
That's why traditionally people stick with quality media. 
 
 
 
But is seems more and more people these days are consuming second-rate journalism. This is why a lot of the young generation these days have shit for brains, because they get their news from social media, via viral sharing of dubious or trash articles. Garbage in, garbage out. That could the motto of many people these days.

 

Somebody should do something about this new generation, as they are growing up living in the artificial world of social media, and this may stifle a healthy emotional development, as well as fill their minds with journalistic garbage. It's not their fault, they were born into this; but it's not really healthy.

Edited by Hip, 26 June 2020 - 03:22 PM.

[pamojja]

No answer to my question why you don't take the usual influenzia and pneumonia mortality not serious - is also answering and showing lack of reflection.

 

Continuing with untrue prejudices without any checking of sources or sound reasoning are again not really convincing.

[Hip]

No answer to my question why you don't take the usual influenzia and pneumonia mortality not serious - is also answering and showing lack of reflection.

 

To correct all the misconceptions you have about the coronavirus pandemic would be a full time job. Nobody has the time for that.