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[hst1]

"My advice would be to play with what has been shown safe and useful, and stay within the studied dose ranges. Out of those, use the ones that both show the most efficacy and that affect your quality life for the better. There are quite a few to choose from."



Great advice. We share the same ideas that why I'm so interested in your regimine. I think people jump to quickly to use less studied supplements especially since they haven't tried all the safe common ones.

Thanks for the detailed post.

[health_nutty]

Great advice.  We share the same ideas that why I'm so interested in your regimine.  I think people jump to quickly to use less studied supplements especially since they haven't tried all the safe common ones. 

Thanks for the detailed post.

I second that. Athan is the man.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 12:54 AM.

[mike250]

I'm curious if you have any info about PLCAR and why did you switch to it.

[Athanasios]

I had looked at PLCAR quite a while back, and do not have the info on hand anymore.

What I did was looked in Pubmed to find if PLCAR would provide similar effects to the Ames studies with ALCAR. I concluded it would. One of the main differences was that PLCAR affected your muscles more, and ALCAR affected the brain more.

I used PLCAR when doing physical labor. When I changed my nootropic stack, I switched back to ALCAR to get more of a brain effect.

[hst1]

looks like you have some other fans!

Was there any reason you decided not to add Siberian ginseng? Just curious - I've been reading studies and it also looks like a good choice also.

I've decided against taking true Ginsengs (Asian and American) since they are estrogenic.

[Athanasios]

Good suggestion.

I have yet to figure out what to do with the midday adaptogen I take, so it is very likely that I will try it out. I like the effects of ashwagandha and maca the most so far.

Mono:
http://www.thorne.co...xt/11/2/151.pdf

[ganeshge]

Looks like, the amount of Magnesium in the ortho core is only 50% (plus it also contains magnesium oxide which is absorbed poorly). I would add magnesium citrate to fulfill the minimum RDA ( 400 mg of Mg Citrate would do).

[Athanasios]

Looks like, the amount of Magnesium in the ortho core is only 50% (plus it also contains magnesium oxide which is absorbed poorly). I would add magnesium citrate to fulfill the minimum RDA ( 400 mg of Mg Citrate would do).

I get more than RDA through diet alone. What do you think the optimal amount is?

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 12:56 AM.

[ganeshge]

I take two tablets perday of 250mg NOW foods Mg Citrate. That would suffice the RDA requirement (400mg perday is the RDA) for magnesium.

[ganeshge]

Unlike Copper and Iron which has a deletrious effect, magnesium does not have any negative effects. Having a slight excess of magensium would not harm.

[hst1]

Any specific reason why you dropped the rhodiola?

[Athanasios]

Any specific reason why you dropped the rhodiola?

Ha, just edited that today. I am going to just go with the maca and ashwagandha for a while, and see how that treats me. No reason in particular. If any, it is due to redundancy.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 12:57 AM.

[zoolander]

It would be good to see a side by side meta analysis of the research for both rhodiola and maca.

Hey ..... pop quiz hot shot! what research, of late, validates your choice to go with/stay with maca.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 12:58 AM.

[zoolander]

we could/should basically drill each other in this fashion. It's a good way to brush up on your regime.

and when your done please provide an explanation for including IP6 in your regime apart from it being cheap. I haven't seen too many studies that don't involve chickens.

[health_nutty]

we could/should basically drill each other in this fashion. It's a good way to brush up on your regime.

and when your done please provide an explanation for including IP6 in your regime apart from it being cheap. I haven't seen too many studies that don't involve chickens.

Yes, drill me!

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 12:59 AM.

[Athanasios]

and when your done please provide an explanation for including IP6 in your regime apart from it being cheap. I haven't seen too many studies that don't involve chickens.

Haha, yes, many of the studies done with IP6 are with animals (mice/rats) or human cell lines in-vitro or transplanted. The human studies are more about absorbtion and safety. The best summary of research, that is freely available, is
http://jn.nutrition....ll/133/11/3778S
http://jn.nutrition....ll/133/11/3778S
There is a similar updated report that was submitted in 2006.

I am using it for its protection from colon cancer (runs in family), its chelating abilities, and for prevention of calcification of the heart, kidney, etc.

Edit: I am looking for a source for the potassium salt version. If you know of one, shout it out!

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:01 AM.

[Athanasios]

It would be good to see a side by side meta analysis of the research for both rhodiola and maca.

Hey ..... pop quiz hot shot! what research, of late, validates your choice to go with/stay with maca.

This would depend what results you are looking for ...

For health properties, it would be better to compare ashwagandha to rhodiola. I think they are fairly similar in this respect, but I get a better boost in quality of life from ashwagandha. One good thing about ashwagandha, for me, is that it is not stimulating when I am not getting enough sleep (damn school). This keeps it from masking how tired or wiped out I am.

Edit: Although, Ill throw a bone out there on maca 17333395 even though I know you were looking for human studies.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:03 AM.

[woly]

what brand of bacopa do you get? im interested in trying this soon.

[Athanasios]

what brand of bacopa do you get? im interested in trying this soon.

The ones that I have not listed the brand for change with price and availability. Right now, the bacopa I have is by planetary formulas.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:05 AM.

[mike250]

I take it you use Maca for sexual well-being . I now its a very good superfood. [thumb]

[Athanasios]

I take it you use Maca for sexual well-being . I now its a very good superfood. [thumb]

Yes, for that and the sense of well being I get from it.

[mike250]

do you get your maca from iherb by any chance?

[Athanasios]

do you get your maca from iherb by any chance?

nah, it has been from 'The Root of the matter', which can be found via google...I believe mitkat referred me. I have not had any complaints, but I have also not tried any other maca besides theirs.

[mike250]

yeah it looks like a good website. just wondered how their stuff faired against other sources.

[Shannon Vyff]

You have a wonderful regime. Keep in mind that many of the Austin area Imminst member's would be interested in bulk buying--if you ever want to have others go in on LEF products for example to get a lower all around price.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:08 AM.

[david ellis]

I did some reading, it turns out astaxanthin can be made biologically from algae, but it seems it also can be made from petroleum, or by bioengineered e-coli. There is a big demand for the stuff to make flamingos and farmed salmon pink.

[Athanasios]

You have a wonderful regime.  Keep in mind that many of the Austin area Imminst member's would be interested in bulk buying--if you ever want to have others go in on LEF products for example to get a lower all around price.

Hmmm, not sure if there is much that I use that would need to be bulk bought. I think maybe the AOR ortho-core or Na-Rala would save money in bulk. We can talk about it a bit next meet-up.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:09 AM.

[health_nutty]

Would you change anything if price was not a factor? Increase the dosages or add anything?

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:09 AM.

[Athanasios]

Would you change anything if price was not a factor?  Increase the dosages or add anything?

Not that I can think of.

With an inflow of extra money, I would probably spend it on sports leagues/training and better food.

Edited by Athanasios, 21 June 2010 - 01:10 AM.

[Athanasios]

When I first started taking supplements I was pre-diabetic and wasnt all that healthy. Now my numbers look a lot better and I feel great.

I decided to slim down my regimen a bit over the last few months to be mainly nutrition and preventative supps. The most recently cut were astaxanthin and adaptogens. I may add another adaptogen back in but we will see.

I definitely will add in some more things as I get older.