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Posted 25 January 2008 - 06:16 PM

I feed my dogs just the straight capsule with Resveratrol or add the capsule to their food. The capsule itself is chicken flavored.

Do you know what they use for flavoring and where can I order them? Do you think
it is as effective to have the powder go into the stomach undissolved? I am dissolving it first.


missminnibusta (good name for a rapper, too :)): did you read my 1/14 post on yet another way to slip it past the dog-brain barrier?
http://www.imminst.o...t...&pid=218753

Yes, and thanks. I am going to continue to put in her food. I make her 3 little meals a day...small bowls consisting of a handful of kibble that is dropped into resveratol mixed with milk. I let that sit and the kibble absorbs the liquid.


I am not sure milk is such a good idea. Most dogs are lactose intolerant and can develop diarrhea or intestinal problems even from small amounts.
That's why I use fish oil as solvent instead (plus it's good for their coat).

I only give about a tablespoon of milk, but you make a good point I never considered. I was trying to take advantage
of the whey protein factor that milk offers, but she might go for the fish oil more readily. I will try it. Thanks


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Posted 25 January 2008 - 06:58 PM

I feed my dogs just the straight capsule with Resveratrol or add the capsule to their food. The capsule itself is chicken flavored.

Do you know what they use for flavoring and where can I order them? Do you think
it is as effective to have the powder go into the stomach undissolved? I am dissolving it first.


missminnibusta (good name for a rapper, too :)): did you read my 1/14 post on yet another way to slip it past the dog-brain barrier?
http://www.imminst.o...t...&pid=218753

Yes, and thanks. I am going to continue to put in her food. I make her 3 little meals a day...small bowls consisting of a handful of kibble that is dropped into resveratol mixed with milk. I let that sit and the kibble absorbs the liquid.


I am not sure milk is such a good idea. Most dogs are lactose intolerant and can develop diarrhea or intestinal problems even from small amounts.
That's why I use fish oil as solvent instead (plus it's good for their coat).

I only give about a tablespoon of milk, but you make a good point I never considered. I was trying to take advantage
of the whey protein factor that milk offers, but she might go for the fish oil more readily. I will try it. Thanks


I'm sorry to hear about the diagnosis for Minni missminni - it sounds as though she is doing really well at the moment which is great news. I give my 100lb bullmastiff Sam 500mg of 98% Res and a little quercetin in his daily full fat probiotic yogurt - never had any problems with intolerance or intestinal problems. Maybe you could try Minni with a tablespoon and if it works fine then mix up a few days worth in a pot of refrigerated yogurt- it dissolves really easily. I'm not sure how common lactose intolerance for dogs is but Sam's diet also consists of 8oz full fat cottage cheese once a week.- It's the Volhard diet which has been tried and tested over the past 30 years and has many subscribers since the originator saw her own dogs life expectancy increase around 30% when she changed from kibble.
If you do try any supplements other than Res for Minni then I'd recommend you checking out IP-6 (it gave an an almost instant improvement in the well being of dog of mine which had metastatic osteosarcoma - mets to many other organs) and perhaps CLA (conjugated linoleic acid). If Minni enjoys it maybe also give her a daily reds and greens drink - Sam has half a human dose of each and loves them. (Jarrow Green Defense and Berry High)

You were asking about powders to mix with the res - the only place I could find was Animal Performance Research Labs which has quite a range of meat flavored powder supplements but obviously these also already have some other ingredients. They may have something which Minni will like!

All the very best and good luck!

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 07:30 PM

I'm sorry to hear about the diagnosis for Minni missminni - it sounds as though she is doing really well at the moment which is great news. I give my 100lb bullmastiff Sam 500mg of 98% Res and a little quercetin in his daily full fat probiotic yogurt - never had any problems with intolerance or intestinal problems. Maybe you could try Minni with a tablespoon and if it works fine then mix up a few days worth in a pot of refrigerated yogurt- it dissolves really easily. I'm not sure how common lactose intolerance for dogs is but Sam's diet also consists of 8oz full fat cottage cheese once a week.- It's the Volhard diet which has been tried and tested over the past 30 years and has many subscribers since the originator saw her own dogs life expectancy increase around 30% when she changed from kibble.
If you do try any supplements other than Res for Minni then I'd recommend you checking out IP-6 (it gave an an almost instant improvement in the well being of dog of mine which had metastatic osteosarcoma - mets to many other organs) and perhaps CLA (conjugated linoleic acid). If Minni enjoys it maybe also give her a daily reds and greens drink - Sam has half a human dose of each and loves them. (Jarrow Green Defense and Berry High)

You were asking about powders to mix with the res - the only place I could find was Animal Performance Research Labs which has quite a range of meat flavored powder supplements but obviously these also already have some other ingredients. They may have something which Minni will like!

All the very best and good luck!

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately Minni has never been a great eater. She's very fussy
and will sniff her food 100 times before eating. Meanwhile Busta dives in and is finished before she even starts. Today has been
difficult...she won't eat the hamburger or pork cutlet or anything. I had to mix the res and smear it over her tongue and roof of her
mouth to get it into her. I will check the Animal Performance Research Labs products since she always eats crappy dog biscuits.
They know what flavors grab dogs. I wish I could get yogurt into her...I've tried. She doesn't like new foods either. Liver is
about the only thing she never said no too. If I could get a liver flavored powder, it would be great. Thanks for you good wishes.


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Posted 29 January 2008 - 11:08 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately Minni has never been a great eater. She's very fussy
and will sniff her food 100 times before eating. Meanwhile Busta dives in and is finished before she even starts. Today has been
difficult...she won't eat the hamburger or pork cutlet or anything. I had to mix the res and smear it over her tongue and roof of her
mouth to get it into her. I will check the Animal Performance Research Labs products since she always eats crappy dog biscuits.
They know what flavors grab dogs. I wish I could get yogurt into her...I've tried. She doesn't like new foods either. Liver is
about the only thing she never said no too. If I could get a liver flavored powder, it would be great. Thanks for you good wishes.

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Missminni, I mailed my vet in the UK - the one who sent the advice around Christmas time - she had this to say which I thought might be of interest to you :
>>
The only thing here which seemed to help with one over here which we didn't op on was the hills nd prescription diet. Theory was its a high fat based diet and cancer cells in general need glucose/carbohydrate metabolism to continue to replicate. So you give them a high fat diet and the normal body cells grow but the cancer ones find it harder and are suppressed. In the old collie dog that had this, she did well - brighter, interested, gained some weight and I mapped her mammary chart probably for 18 months and initially the masses shrunk slightly. didnt seem to progress for ages which was really good. sadly in the end things took a hold but she exceeded expectation by far.
Perhaps diet worth a look with an owner like this who could devote the time and research??
>>

It interested me that she is recommending the Hills N/D food - I gave this to my first dog with osteosarcoma and she really enjoyed eating it. It seems very palatable - smells so good that you'd want to eat it yourself right from the can!! Perhaps worth discussing with your vet if you are opting to use dietary treatment only. Might good to mix with the res too! N/D is only available via your vet (at least that's the case in Europe)

Apologies that this is off the main topic - if you want to discuss or if you'd like me to ask further questions of my vet feel free to PM me privately.

All the very best


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Posted 29 January 2008 - 03:36 PM

Missminni, I mailed my vet in the UK - the one who sent the advice around Christmas time - she had this to say which I thought might be of interest to you :
>>
The only thing here which seemed to help with one over here which we didn't op on was the hills nd prescription diet. Theory was its a high fat based diet and cancer cells in general need glucose/carbohydrate metabolism to continue to replicate. So you give them a high fat diet and the normal body cells grow but the cancer ones find it harder and are suppressed. In the old collie dog that had this, she did well - brighter, interested, gained some weight and I mapped her mammary chart probably for 18 months and initially the masses shrunk slightly. didnt seem to progress for ages which was really good. sadly in the end things took a hold but she exceeded expectation by far.
Perhaps diet worth a look with an owner like this who could devote the time and research??
>>

It interested me that she is recommending the Hills N/D food - I gave this to my first dog with osteosarcoma and she really enjoyed eating it. It seems very palatable - smells so good that you'd want to eat it yourself right from the can!! Perhaps worth discussing with your vet if you are opting to use dietary treatment only. Might good to mix with the res too! N/D is only available via your vet (at least that's the case in Europe)

Apologies that this is off the main topic - if you want to discuss or if you'd like me to ask further questions of my vet feel free to PM me privately.

All the very best


Dave


Thanks Dave. Although I won't use Hills, the high fat diet is very interesting to me. I am already giving her various oils and butter on a daily basis and will continue to. She is actually doing really well on the hi-dose resveratrol and looks better than ever. Her seroma healed without having to be drained again, and she is raring to go, although I am still trying to keep her less active in case it causes the fluid to gather again. I want to give her another week before I let her run. As for discussing anything with my vet, I don't. He's ignorant. I will be taking her to the Animal Medical Center if I need medical assistance. Thanks again for your help and advise. It's much appreciated.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 02:42 PM

Thanks Dave. Although I won't use Hills, the high fat diet is very interesting to me. I am already giving her various oils and butter on a daily basis and will continue to. She is actually doing really well on the hi-dose resveratrol and looks better than ever. Her seroma healed without having to be drained again, and she is raring to go, although I am still trying to keep her less active in case it causes the fluid to gather again. I want to give her another week before I let her run. As for discussing anything with my vet, I don't. He's ignorant. I will be taking her to the Animal Medical Center if I need medical assistance. Thanks again for your help and advise. It's much appreciated.
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I just read, in the Volhard book which gives suggestions for various dietary support, a diet recommended by Dr Ogilvie from CSU dept Clinical Services, (Dr Ogilvie is a noted cancer specialist). He recommends the following percentages for making a cancer diet for your dog :

37% animal protein
32% fat - mostly from animal sources
21.6% carbs
3.5% Omega-3
2.5% DHA fatty acids
3.4% Arginine

The diet provides adequate protein for the dog to heal and not enough carbs to sustain any tumors.

Thought you might find this useful - incidentally, if you put Minni's diet into CRON-O-meter http://spaz.ca/cronometer/ you'll find the makeup of her diet.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 03:16 PM

I just read, in the Volhard book which gives suggestions for various dietary support, a diet recommended by Dr Ogilvie from CSU dept Clinical Services, (Dr Ogilvie is a noted cancer specialist). He recommends the following percentages for making a cancer diet for your dog :

37% animal protein
32% fat - mostly from animal sources
21.6% carbs
3.5% Omega-3
2.5% DHA fatty acids
3.4% Arginine

The diet provides adequate protein for the dog to heal and not enough carbs to sustain any tumors.

Thought you might find this useful - incidentally, if you put Minni's diet into CRON-O-meter http://spaz.ca/cronometer/ you'll find the makeup of her diet.

THANKS!
ETA~my system too old to use the cronometer. Is there any way to use it online?

Edited by missminni, 30 January 2008 - 03:25 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2008 - 04:11 PM

I just read, in the Volhard book which gives suggestions for various dietary support, a diet recommended by Dr Ogilvie from CSU dept Clinical Services, (Dr Ogilvie is a noted cancer specialist). He recommends the following percentages for making a cancer diet for your dog :

37% animal protein
32% fat - mostly from animal sources
21.6% carbs
3.5% Omega-3
2.5% DHA fatty acids
3.4% Arginine

The diet provides adequate protein for the dog to heal and not enough carbs to sustain any tumors.

Thought you might find this useful - incidentally, if you put Minni's diet into CRON-O-meter http://spaz.ca/cronometer/ you'll find the makeup of her diet.

THANKS!
ETA~my system too old to use the cronometer. Is there any way to use it online?


There's Fitday - online and free. You have to download CRON-O-meter unfortunately.

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Posted 31 January 2008 - 04:15 PM

I just read, in the Volhard book which gives suggestions for various dietary support, a diet recommended by Dr Ogilvie from CSU dept Clinical Services, (Dr Ogilvie is a noted cancer specialist). He recommends the following percentages for making a cancer diet for your dog :

37% animal protein
32% fat - mostly from animal sources
21.6% carbs
3.5% Omega-3
2.5% DHA fatty acids
3.4% Arginine

The diet provides adequate protein for the dog to heal and not enough carbs to sustain any tumors.

Thought you might find this useful - incidentally, if you put Minni's diet into CRON-O-meter http://spaz.ca/cronometer/ you'll find the makeup of her diet.

THANKS!
ETA~my system too old to use the cronometer. Is there any way to use it online?


There's Fitday - online and free. You have to download CRON-O-meter unfortunately.

Thanks, a friend did it for me and with what I am feeding her, (I add other food to her dog food)
it was pretty close to the correct amounts. I am increasing her fish oil. I am also giving her 6 grams of resveratrol
a day (2g 3X) in little mini meals. Thanks again for your help and concern.


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Posted 31 January 2008 - 04:48 PM

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Thanks, a friend did it for me and with what I am feeding her, (I add other food to her dog food)
it was pretty close to the correct amounts. I am increasing her fish oil. I am also giving her 6 grams of resveratrol
a day (2g 3X) in little mini meals. Thanks again for your help and concern.

[/quote]

:-)
My vet in the UK also had a thought about Busta's ear, I realise that you are already aware about the potency of DMSO - it's the note about possible fungal infection which I thought may interest you :

>>
Just hope its not the DMSO that stopped the discharge - a very potent antinflam akin to steroids, very well absorbed cutaneously - hard to get here without special authorisation since it is so easily absorbed when mixed in skin preps etc. Really good at settling a chronically inflamed ear initially.
Sounds as though might be a malassezia fungal infection going on.
>>

All the best to both of your pups!


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Posted 31 January 2008 - 05:15 PM

:-)
My vet in the UK also had a thought about Busta's ear, I realise that you are already aware about the potency of DMSO - it's the note about possible fungal infection which I thought may interest you :
Just hope its not the DMSO that stopped the discharge - a very potent antinflam akin to steroids, very well absorbed cutaneously - hard to get here without special authorisation since it is so easily absorbed when mixed in skin preps etc. Really good at settling a chronically inflamed ear initially.
Sounds as though might be a malassezia fungal infection going on.

All the best to both of your pups!


Dave

I thought it might be the DMSO as well. I hoped it would reduce the swelling.
It is not a fungal infection since the vet tested it in October and determined it
was ecoli and strephemo (that's all I could get out of the receptionist at his office) and prescribed trebissim,
an antibiotic that did nothing for it. At the time the discharge was dark brown and also coming out as drool
from his mouth. After giving him resveratrol and rubbing with DMSO, overnight the discharge turned amber and the brown drool stopped.
However, now, 9 days later, there is still a discharge and the glurpy stuff in the base of his ear. It comes out on a daily basis, and the color as of this morning has now gone from amber to a slightly greenish hue. It's disgusting, but not as smelly as it used to be. In fact the smell isn't that bad at all. I just can't get any ear drops in there to help clean it out. He lets me clean out
the outer part, but I don't want to go in too far cause he cries out like it really hurts. Please thank your vet for
her concern and advise. I appreciate it.


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Posted 06 February 2008 - 04:37 PM

My vet in the UK also had a thought about Busta's ear, I realise that you are already aware about the potency of DMSO - it's the note about possible fungal infection which I thought may interest you :

>>
Just hope its not the DMSO that stopped the discharge - a very potent antinflam akin to steroids, very well absorbed cutaneously - hard to get here without special authorisation since it is so easily absorbed when mixed in skin preps etc. Really good at settling a chronically inflamed ear initially.
Sounds as though might be a malassezia fungal infection going on.
>>

All the best to both of your pups!


Dave

I finally got the result of the culture for Busta's ear.
He has three infections and they are all very heavy. They are
ecoli
pseudomonas aeruginosa
beta hemolytic strepptococci
The vet prescribed Trebbissin, but it did not work at all. If your vet knows of an antibiotic that would take care of all three
infections, I would really appreciate it. He is 125 lbs.
The resveratrol definitely worked in the beginning and knocked one of the infections out because he is at least 70% better than
before, but it seems to be turning from the amber color it first turned when he started taking Resveratrol, to a greenish
color now, so I think it might be getting bad again.


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Posted 06 February 2008 - 08:26 PM

We've been dogsitting my daughters dog and I spilled my resveratrol on the floor by accident and before I knew it the dog had gobbled up about 3 grams.

It resulted in very strange behavior.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:39 PM

Interesting anecdotal observation re: Resveratrol and
Busta's yucky ear infection.
After doing some reading about Baytril (enrofloxacin), which is
the prescribed extremely expensive antibiotic of choice for his condition, and how it is administered
in one huge daily dose, I recalled how my first hi-dose of res dramatically cleared up part of his infection.
Yesterday I decided to try hi-dosing him once a day (8g) with Res to see what effect it would have on the
remaining part of his infection. Today, it is significantly better. I am going to continue this for 10 days,
and which time I will report back on his condition.


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Posted 14 February 2008 - 07:38 PM

Apologies for the delay responding - I'm on hols and my Uk vet has also been away.
I hope Busta's ear problem has not worsened in the meantime and that the res. is still helping.

Here are the comments from my vet friend in the UK:
>>>
Your american friend has found her cause by the sounds. The pseudomonas is the worst one you can have.
Needs the sensitivities now. Some , but not all respond to baytril. But from my limited knowledge of the ones in here, you need a topical programe of treatment. Antibiotics help, but cannot be relied upon alone.

With the ones here, they are often too sore to clean out away and require a GA in the 1st instance.
1. GA and flush the ears with sterile saline only until no disch. May take 30 mins or so per ear to do properly. using a thin dog catheter to get to base of canal. No ear cleaners until can see ear drums a week or 2 down the line.
2 IMPT to make sure canal is as dry as possible - pseudomonas needs moisture.
3. Keep on oral prednisolone for the first week or so since the canal will be so sore.
4. Use approp antibiotic here - may be baytril ( I use the 5% injection. - get a 100ml bottle of epiotic ear cleaner. take out 20 ml cleaner. replace with 20 ml baytril. Use that mix to put only up to 2 ml twice daily down the ear. small volume so not wet, but right stuff) The ph of the epiotic inhibits pseudomonas and malassezia growth and the baytril prob kills it.
5. Do that daily and review around 10 days, when may need to GA the dog again for a thorough clean again if still sore.
6. at all times impt to keep ear as dry as poss.
7. If bug doesnt resp to baytril, then use tiamentin antibotic powder, mixed with water for injection. ( use if in people). Here put in 2 mls of that solution daily.
8. Reswab ideally at the 10 day stage for culture and microscopy.. So you know how you are doing.
9. baytril tabs can help, but far better diligence and ear cleaning.
10. You then tend to find that when you reculture, you have often wiped out the pseudomonas but got the malassezia yeast instead. A common temporary blip.
If thats so, the epiotic ph will still attend to this in the long run, but I add in sporonox antifungal tabs for 3 weeks then by mouth and that works well.
11. Once youy get your negative pseudomonas and your hopefully neg malassezia, you go on for a further 2 weeks with the same drops. But I tend to let the owner loose with another bottle of epiotic cleaner to use perhaps twice a week at home. Canuse large volumes but must be meticulous and dry at end of each session.
12. As the ear gets under control and repopulates with healthy bugs, we tend to finish the sporonox, get them off reducing preds and end up in the end on epiotic ear cleaner once or twice a week.
13. over the longer term you clean less and less.

A few things - occ they react to epiotic and the ear goes red. In which case change eg to clean aural.
Also make sure no underlying allergies or low thyroid etc.
I quite enjoy these ears, but they always take a bit of faith to persevere and a logical plan.
As to oral tribrissen , well not much of a fan. The staphs/streps in ears dont seem much of a problem. Just get rid of pseudomonas and malassezia!
>>>

Seems you may well have your work cut out to resolve the problem even over a lengthy period of treatment.

Good luck again (to Minni too!)

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 08:09 PM

Apologies for the delay responding - I'm on hols and my Uk vet has also been away.
I hope Busta's ear problem has not worsened in the meantime and that the res. is still helping.

Here are the comments from my vet friend in the UK:
>>>
Your american friend has found her cause by the sounds. The pseudomonas is the worst one you can have.
Needs the sensitivities now. Some , but not all respond to baytril. But from my limited knowledge of the ones in here, you need a topical programe of treatment. Antibiotics help, but cannot be relied upon alone.

With the ones here, they are often too sore to clean out away and require a GA in the 1st instance.
1. GA and flush the ears with sterile saline only until no disch. May take 30 mins or so per ear to do properly. using a thin dog catheter to get to base of canal. No ear cleaners until can see ear drums a week or 2 down the line.
2 IMPT to make sure canal is as dry as possible - pseudomonas needs moisture.
3. Keep on oral prednisolone for the first week or so since the canal will be so sore.
4. Use approp antibiotic here - may be baytril ( I use the 5% injection. - get a 100ml bottle of epiotic ear cleaner. take out 20 ml cleaner. replace with 20 ml baytril. Use that mix to put only up to 2 ml twice daily down the ear. small volume so not wet, but right stuff) The ph of the epiotic inhibits pseudomonas and malassezia growth and the baytril prob kills it.
5. Do that daily and review around 10 days, when may need to GA the dog again for a thorough clean again if still sore.
6. at all times impt to keep ear as dry as poss.
7. If bug doesnt resp to baytril, then use tiamentin antibotic powder, mixed with water for injection. ( use if in people). Here put in 2 mls of that solution daily.
8. Reswab ideally at the 10 day stage for culture and microscopy.. So you know how you are doing.
9. baytril tabs can help, but far better diligence and ear cleaning.
10. You then tend to find that when you reculture, you have often wiped out the pseudomonas but got the malassezia yeast instead. A common temporary blip.
If thats so, the epiotic ph will still attend to this in the long run, but I add in sporonox antifungal tabs for 3 weeks then by mouth and that works well.
11. Once youy get your negative pseudomonas and your hopefully neg malassezia, you go on for a further 2 weeks with the same drops. But I tend to let the owner loose with another bottle of epiotic cleaner to use perhaps twice a week at home. Canuse large volumes but must be meticulous and dry at end of each session.
12. As the ear gets under control and repopulates with healthy bugs, we tend to finish the sporonox, get them off reducing preds and end up in the end on epiotic ear cleaner once or twice a week.
13. over the longer term you clean less and less.

A few things - occ they react to epiotic and the ear goes red. In which case change eg to clean aural.
Also make sure no underlying allergies or low thyroid etc.
I quite enjoy these ears, but they always take a bit of faith to persevere and a logical plan.
As to oral tribrissen , well not much of a fan. The staphs/streps in ears dont seem much of a problem. Just get rid of pseudomonas and malassezia!
>>>

Seems you may well have your work cut out to resolve the problem even over a lengthy period of treatment.

Good luck again (to Minni too!)


WOW. This is great! Thank your vet for me. I realize I am going to have to take him into AMC because he will
never let me get solution into his ear or that deep to clean it. I can only clean so much and then he objects. And if I try to get drops
in there he will bite me..seriously. He just freaks out. But to have these directions is so helpful. I will take them with me when I go.
Right now, I am trying the mega dosing with Res, and it is definitely helping. The discharge is amber, not greenish, and seems to
be getting less and less, but now that I read your post, I know I have to get more done. Please thank her again for me. This is so helpful
to know.


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Posted 23 February 2008 - 10:27 PM

Seems my pooch may not be enjoying his t-res. I have been giving him 300mg 98%, on a tiny piece of bread with a bit of butter or cream cheese. Started him at 150mg for two weeks.

Over the last few days he delays finishing his regular meals. I do not think he has lost his hunger, as he still enjoys treats. One time I saw him walk up to the bowl of food, look down at it, and then walk away. He eventually will finish it.

I think he is having nausea, and he associates it with his regular food. I sometimes get the same "internal movement" of my bowels, I guess a cholinergenic effect.

How are your dogs doing with t-res?

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:31 PM

Seems my pooch may not be enjoying his t-res. I have been giving him 300mg 98%, on a tiny piece of bread with a bit of butter or cream cheese. Started him at 150mg for two weeks.

Over the last few days he delays finishing his regular meals. I do not think he has lost his hunger, as he still enjoys treats. One time I saw him walk up to the bowl of food, look down at it, and then walk away. He eventually will finish it.

I think he is having nausea, and he associates it with his regular food. I sometimes get the same "internal movement" of my bowels, I guess a cholinergenic effect.

How are your dogs doing with t-res?

They're doing great. Busta's ear is amazingly better. Still a little bit of amber wax coming out, but
no redness and easy to clean without him yelping. The brown gook never came back. Kind of amazing. Minni is doing great too.
Great muscle tone with very little exercies. However, I have to disguise the resveratrol in a million different ways.
At first just in milk was fine. Then I had to add cheese. Now I have mix it with chicken broth. The problem
is I am giving them 5g at a time. I find it most effective giving them one big dose a day, so its a lot of powder to disquise.
The chicken broth makes it like chicken gravy. You could do the same thing with beef broth. You want a little fat in there too.
They have loose stools, but they don't seem to be any more anxious to go than usually.
They are much stronger looking and their coats feel incredible, their muscle tone better everything, since I've been
hi-dosing them.


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Posted 23 February 2008 - 11:45 PM

Seems my pooch may not be enjoying his t-res. I have been giving him 300mg 98%, on a tiny piece of bread with a bit of butter or cream cheese. Started him at 150mg for two weeks.

Over the last few days he delays finishing his regular meals. I do not think he has lost his hunger, as he still enjoys treats. One time I saw him walk up to the bowl of food, look down at it, and then walk away. He eventually will finish it.

I think he is having nausea, and he associates it with his regular food. I sometimes get the same "internal movement" of my bowels, I guess a cholinergenic effect.

How are your dogs doing with t-res?

They're doing great. Busta's ear is amazingly better. Still a little bit of amber wax coming out, but
no redness and easy to clean without him yelping. The brown gook never came back. Kind of amazing. Minni is doing great too.
Great muscle tone with very little exercies. However, I have to disguise the resveratrol in a million different ways.
At first just in milk was fine. Then I had to add cheese. Now I have mix it with chicken broth. The problem
is I am giving them 5g at a time. I find it most effective giving them one big dose a day, so its a lot of powder to disquise.
The chicken broth makes it like chicken gravy. You could do the same thing with beef broth. You want a little fat in there too.
They have loose stools, but they don't seem to be any more anxious to go than usually.
They are much stronger looking and their coats feel incredible, their muscle tone better everything, since I've been
hi-dosing them.


Geez, if your dogs can handle 5g, I think mine ought to be able to handle 300mg. Can dogs be lactose intolerant? Maybe my pooch has issues with the tiny bit of cream cheese I am giving him. Your dogs drink milk? With a straw? :)

At first I was wrapping a capsule in a tiny bit of bread. The smart little bugger in three days learned how to eat the bread and the gag out the capsule! When I smear a little bit of cream cheese on it, he swallows the whole thing.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 12:44 AM

Geez, if your dogs can handle 5g, I think mine ought to be able to handle 300mg. Can dogs be lactose intolerant? Maybe my pooch has issues with the tiny bit of cream cheese I am giving him. Your dogs drink milk? With a straw? :)

At first I was wrapping a capsule in a tiny bit of bread. The smart little bugger in three days learned how to eat the bread and the gag out the capsule! When I smear a little bit of cream cheese on it, he swallows the whole thing.

Oh, you're giving him a capsule. I give them straight powder. You don't have dissolve it in milk.
I'm disolving it in chicken broth now.

Edited by missminni, 24 February 2008 - 12:55 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2008 - 09:07 AM

Geez, if your dogs can handle 5g, I think mine ought to be able to handle 300mg. Can dogs be lactose intolerant? Maybe my pooch has issues with the tiny bit of cream cheese I am giving him. Your dogs drink milk? With a straw? :)

At first I was wrapping a capsule in a tiny bit of bread. The smart little bugger in three days learned how to eat the bread and the gag out the capsule! When I smear a little bit of cream cheese on it, he swallows the whole thing.


You may want to revisit posts #58 and #60 on dog-brain barrier and lactose intolerance.

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 03:36 AM

Geez, if your dogs can handle 5g, I think mine ought to be able to handle 300mg. Can dogs be lactose intolerant? Maybe my pooch has issues with the tiny bit of cream cheese I am giving him. Your dogs drink milk? With a straw? :)

At first I was wrapping a capsule in a tiny bit of bread. The smart little bugger in three days learned how to eat the bread and the gag out the capsule! When I smear a little bit of cream cheese on it, he swallows the whole thing.


You may want to revisit posts #58 and #60 on dog-brain barrier and lactose intolerance.


I found a great alternative for mixing resveratrol that has whey in it and the dogs love it.
It is a Chicken stock base called Better Than Bouillion and it's ingredients include Dried Whey...does
that count? 1 Tsp of stock for 8 oz of water and the Res dissolves in it immediately.
Ingredients:
CHICKEN MEAT INCLUDING NATURAL CHICKEN JUICES, SALT, SUGAR, CORN SYRUP SOLIDS, CHICKEN FAT, HYDROLYZED SOY PROTEIN, DRIED WHEY, FLAVORING, DISODIUM INOSINATE AND GUANYLATE, TURMERIC


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Posted 22 March 2008 - 04:24 PM

This post is to announce that Busta is now free of any ear infection. After
about 2 months of daily doses of aprox 5 to 6 grams of resveratrol, all three of his antibiotic resistant infections
that he had for well over 4 years are gone! Today was the first day of absolutely no discharge
and the second day of no gushiness.
I believe it was the psuenonomis (sp?) that was the last one to go. The other two went within a week of him
taking resveratrol hi dose. Hi dose is the key word here. I had him on Res before, but only a gram a day. It didn't
help his ear at all. Not until the first day I gave him 8 grams. That made a dramatic difference almost overnight.
After that I reduced it to 5 to 6 grams a day.
Tomnook, please thank your vet for her encouragement and advice.
If it weren't for her, I might have lost faith. Tell her I continued to clean his ear on a daily basis with a little alcohol
on a diaper. Each day the discharge was less and less. I am so happy and so is he. Thanks so much for your
kind concern and encouragement.
P.S. Also, Minni, is doing GREAT!! Still have her on the res too. 5 to 6 grams a day.
No signs of any illness.


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Posted 24 March 2008 - 08:29 PM

Chicken broth is a great idea. My lab, who is true to her kind and her stomach, loves to eat but even she turns up her nose at my 99% powder. I've mixed it in her food, put it in peanut butter or butter but those were all pretty messy. I'm sure she'd love some broth, though....



Geez, if your dogs can handle 5g, I think mine ought to be able to handle 300mg. Can dogs be lactose intolerant? Maybe my pooch has issues with the tiny bit of cream cheese I am giving him. Your dogs drink milk? With a straw? :)

At first I was wrapping a capsule in a tiny bit of bread. The smart little bugger in three days learned how to eat the bread and the gag out the capsule! When I smear a little bit of cream cheese on it, he swallows the whole thing.


You may want to revisit posts #58 and #60 on dog-brain barrier and lactose intolerance.


I found a great alternative for mixing resveratrol that has whey in it and the dogs love it.
It is a Chicken stock base called Better Than Bouillion and it's ingredients include Dried Whey...does
that count? 1 Tsp of stock for 8 oz of water and the Res dissolves in it immediately.
Ingredients:
CHICKEN MEAT INCLUDING NATURAL CHICKEN JUICES, SALT, SUGAR, CORN SYRUP SOLIDS, CHICKEN FAT, HYDROLYZED SOY PROTEIN, DRIED WHEY, FLAVORING, DISODIUM INOSINATE AND GUANYLATE, TURMERIC



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Posted 24 March 2008 - 08:38 PM

Chicken broth is a great idea. My lab, who is true to her kind and her stomach, loves to eat but even she turns up her nose at my 99% powder. I've mixed it in her food, put it in peanut butter or butter but those were all pretty messy. I'm sure she'd love some broth, though....


if that doesn't work, try tomato sauce. That's my latest one. They love tomato sauce. ?? go figure




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Posted 03 April 2008 - 02:11 PM

Hi guys,

Anyone have cats on it? I don't think I have seen a post with other animals here other than dogs so far, and I was curious.

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Posted 12 November 2008 - 10:28 PM

Hi everyone

I've been researching an anti-aging regime for my 8.5 year old bullmastiff, Sam, for a while now and Google gave me links to this post on ImmInst.org and also another about supplement dosages for dogs. I thought that some of you may be interested in some of the things I've discovered so far.

Sam is my 4th bullmastiff, I lost the others at 5yrs old, 7.5yrs and 9yrs - the average lifespan of this breed is around 8-10 years.
During the recent pet food recall in the US I investigated alternative feeding options for dogs including premium kibble and raw meaty bone diets but the one which caught my attention was one researched by a dog breeder over a period of 30 years, Wendy Volhard, marting quotes one of her articles earlier in this post. This quote caught my attention from her website.

"Whereas the normal life span of a Newfoundland in 1998 was 6.2-6.7 years according to a national survey done by the Newfoundland Club of America, our dogs, and other dogs following the Natural Diet, live up until 15 years of age"

Since my objective is to give Sam a longer healthier life this diet seemed to be ideal - after a lifetime of eating Eukanuba Lamb and Rice I switched Sam onto 100% bio natural food over a period of three months.
The changes in him have been unbelievable - from a shinier coat within the first two weeks to having a more "puppy like" demeanour and running up and down stairs which he would only cautiously approach a few months ago.
I do now give Sam a number of supplements in addition to the diet however I am convinced that the diet plays the most significant part in his ongoing healthy condition.

Out of interest I put his weekly feeding regime into Chron-O-Meter and was surprised to see that not only is his diet almost prefectly balanced it also has more than 100% of all the listed recommended (for humans) vitamin and minerals - his diet is far better balanced than my own!

Briefly the diet consists of :
Mon-Sat
AM
Oats
Millet or Buckwheat Groats
Mixed vegetables - steamed or processed
Safflower Oil
Boiled Egg with shell
Blackstrap molasses
Vitamin E (supplement)
Vitamin B complex
Vitamin C
Yogurt - full fat

PM
Raw meat - beef, heart, liver, muscle (Cottage Cheese instead of meat on Sat PM)
Cod liver oil
Kelp
Garlic
Wheat Germ
Dry Herbs (mix)
Vitamin C
Apple Cider Vinegar
Brewers Yeast
Bone Meal
Wheat Bran
Fruit (Tablespoon or so)

This diet is for 6 days of the week, on the 7th day Sam is fasted in the evening and his AM diet is :
Grains/Vegetables
Honey
Yogurt

Wendy Volhard has also been advocating the use of DHEA, Melatonin, glandulars, enzymes, DHA and RNA along with the more "normal" supplements such as Glucosamine and amino acids - for at least the past 7 years since her book "The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog" was published.

Sam's supplements, in addition to the ones listed above:

AM
EPA 400mg/DHA 200mg
SAM-e 200mg
DHEA 25mg every other day
CoQ-10 100mg (daily for at least the past two years - his father had cardiovascular problems and died at 6 yrs old)
Dasuquin - Glucosamine/MSM/Chondroitin (for arthritis)
Vitamin D 400iu
ALA 100mg
ALCAR 500mg
Otho-Core 1 capsule

PM
Ortho-Core 1 capsule

Evening
1.5mg Melatonin

Since starting the diet Sam's bloodwork and urine has been tested every couple of months with the latest reuslt showing everything within the normal range for the first time in his life.

I've also been in touch with Dr Klatz who's dog, Lex, lived several years longer than average for his breed, possibly due to the use of Deprenyl, Hydergine, PBN and others and I'm considering incorporating some of these into Sam's protocol along with resveratrol at 100mg per day.

If anyone has other suggestions about possible supplements which haven't already been made then I'd be very grateful to hear about them.

I thought these couple of sites looked interesting but couldn't really decipher much about the first one from the information given :

http://www.thegiftfo...p...6&Itemid=30

http://www.petgh.com/pro-mino-max.html

Thanks!


Dave




The only company that makes resveratrol supplement for dogs is www.resvantagecanine.com . Check it out!

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Posted 12 November 2008 - 11:24 PM

5mg?


Should I start adding animal resveratrol supplements to the list?
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Posted 13 November 2008 - 02:47 PM

My dogs get two teaspoons of a mixtue of blueberries, spinach, and tomato paste (all organic), every day with their dog food. They are small dogs. I make it in batches, so I only have to blend it once a week. I have not given them res.



Chicken broth is a great idea. My lab, who is true to her kind and her stomach, loves to eat but even she turns up her nose at my 99% powder. I've mixed it in her food, put it in peanut butter or butter but those were all pretty messy. I'm sure she'd love some broth, though....


if that doesn't work, try tomato sauce. That's my latest one. They love tomato sauce. ?? go figure





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Posted 13 November 2008 - 03:14 PM

My dogs get two teaspoons of a mixtue of blueberries, spinach, and tomato paste (all organic), every day with their dog food. They are small dogs. I make it in batches, so I only have to blend it once a week. I have not given them res.



Chicken broth is a great idea. My lab, who is true to her kind and her stomach, loves to eat but even she turns up her nose at my 99% powder. I've mixed it in her food, put it in peanut butter or butter but those were all pretty messy. I'm sure she'd love some broth, though....


if that doesn't work, try tomato sauce. That's my latest one. They love tomato sauce. ?? go figure



I've tried chicken broth and tomatoe sauce, salmon, sardines etc..they all work....but the best food to mx resveratrol for my dogs is by far chicken liver puree. Inexpensive, easy to prepare for the week and they absolutely love it. Steam some
chicken livers in a little water...don't overcook...and then puree in blender. Add a tablespoon or two of the puree to their regular food and mix the Resveratrol in with it. It stays for at least a week, if not longer in the frig.





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