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[lucid]

Hey Anthony,
Anyway you could put a column in for the %quality of the extract: ex: 50%T-Res or 98% T-Res?
I suppose that the simplest way to do it would be to put a column where you divide Cap size by total T-Res then multiply by 100. Thanks. Cheers

*Edit* Err. it doesnt look like there is a column for total cap size. Oh well, I just woke up and am not thinking well. I don't want to buy res with lots of emodin as a present for gramps. I think he probably has enough gas already.

[Anthony_Loera]

Added Resmedin to the list.

Lucid, not sure we can get the percentage for many of the Capsules at this time. I know our RevGenetics capsules are 1000mg using 50% T-Res so it comes out to 500mg...

biotivia is a question mark, although I think they also use 50% as their label states some low t-res mg numbers compared to the total amount in the capsule.

some others like resmedin have a mix of various things, and don't exclusively have resveratrol in the capsule, so we would be guessing its quality. The powders on the other hand all say what they have so, it may be easier to do this with the powders.

thanks

Anthony Loera

[maxwatt]

....
biotivia is a question mark, although I think they also use 50% as their label states some low t-res mg numbers compared to the total amount in the capsule.
....

Biotivia (James Betz) asked me about buying a shipment of 50% low emodin (< 5%) resveratrol extract from my supplier last spring. I'd think he is honest as to the quality of his product.

[Anthony_Loera]

As long as he labels it properly, and doesn't say it's "500mg total resveratrol" when it is not... (yes I have emails from him stating this directly to me...see below)

Dear Anthony,
Please be advised that you grossly misrepresent our product on the
comparison chart on your site. Specifically our product contains 500
mg of total resveratrol, of which 250mg is trans-resveratrol. Please
correct this error immediately or we shall seek legal recourse, as we
have against other companies which have misrepresented our product.
Regards, James

cc. Kenneth , Quin and Hampson Barristers
    Anne Devereau
    Roger Day

If he is on the up-and-up with correct marketing and labels for consumers, I have no issues with him. But if continues to say his product is something different than what it is, this really bothers me.

Anthony Loera

[weidai]

While shopping for DIY skin care ingredients at bulkactives.com, I noticed that it also sells resveratrol powder at $13.7 for 30 grams of 50% resveratrol, which is $0.91 per gram of resveratrol. However, the site has a disclaimer "The products sold by Bulk Actives and its owners are cosmetic grade and are not intented to be used as nutritional supplements."

[Anthony_Loera]

Interesting...

should I put it in the price list? I am asking the general community.

thanks
Anthony

[tintinet]

Not unless it's segregated from ingestible forms of resveratrol, in a separate category, perhaps.

[ajnast4r]

looks like pete will be the first (that i know of) to sell pre-capped 98% t-resv

http://store.nextern...&RowID=286&All=

[Anthony_Loera]

Is It Free? I see a zero price at this time, and you can't order it.

[lucid]

You might want to change the picture on your website for x500 to a pill bottle, it looks like x500 is uncapped. Cheers, think im going to order some .

[Anthony_Loera]

You might want to change the picture on your website for x500 to a pill bottle, it looks like x500 is uncapped. Cheers, think im going to order some .

Yes, I think I will have that changed. I don't want to confuse everyone.
thanks for the suggestion.

Anthony

[maxwatt]

It's hard to cap without an excipient or a flow agent.

[Anthony_Loera]

I know, we originally capped some for someone at NYU some time ago.

Anthony Loera

[rfarris]

What is the agreement that must be signed first?

[Anthony_Loera]

The "Product Supply Agreement" is a general notice we need to keep on file for any products that may:

1- fall under IND guidelines, and used for research.
2- any product that is sold to other small or large manufacturers.
3- general items that we have under development which we cant provide guidance for.
4- specified products we have been contracted to develop for private label retailers.

It includes a release of liability, generally used for manufacturer orders or private label retailers.

It has been only used for small manufacturers and powder, but after receiving a visit from a DEA Diversion Investigator [:o] that inspected our production facility, herbal sales, and website. (Yes, I believe we came out of that without any problem, they just made sure our business was not selling any illegal pharmaceuticals, un-approved drugs and our equipment was secure... It was your typical inspection for compliance.) [lol]

We decided to include this agreement as part of the new X500 Polygonum Cuspidatum 98% capsules products as well. I am not sure most sellers who are providing 98% (powder or capsules) may have fared as well. [huh]


Of course... we never use this agreement for our 50% powder or capsules. [thumb]

Thanks
Anthony Loera

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 15 June 2007 - 04:41 AM.

[Anthony_Loera]

BTW: I added RevGenetics X500 to the price list and added the rsv 'quality' column as well.

[Anthony_Loera]

Addison,

RevGenetics X500 are 500mg 98% (50 Capsules per bottle)
they are in the price list.

Once we know Pete's pricing, I will put it in the price list as well.

Thanks
Anthony Loera

[Anthony_Loera]

Don't knock it, It's the cheapest 98% capsules around... at least for now. [lol]
The ratio of (powder to capsule) pricing is about the same as the 50%, so it's a fair price.

Let's see what Pete's price will be, it may likely be pretty similar if not the same...
then again maybe he will beat us over the head with a rock... bottom price we will not be able to compete against. [wis]


Hmm... I wonder how many other folks will follow the 98% capsule offerings... will RevGenetics and Relentless Improvement be the only ones?

I predict other folks will jump on the bandwagon by the end of June, if not sooner.

Anthony Loera

[Anthony_Loera]

Addison, I agree with you.

Not many (if any) larger brands will produce a98%. I was thinking about the smaller companies, when I wrote that last post.

Anthony

[Anthony_Loera]

We have made a change, we have changed our offering from 350mg capsules to 300mg, and changed pricing on them. Price list has been updated.

[fearfrost]

You should change your little signature message under your posts from 350 to 300mg.

[Anthony_Loera]

Ah yes... thanks fear frost.

[asnufu]

I've just ordered a couple of batches from customcapsule.com, including a nice resveratrol/quercetin/silymarin mix that will hopefully help kickstart those sirtuins
The resv price on their site was surprisingly competitive - $1.23 per gram of 50% pure product.
Of course, they have no COA or vendor info that can help build trust in product quality, so does anyone else have experience with the company in general and their resv in particular ?

[Anthony_Loera]

Hi,

It's actually $1.40 a gram of rsv, but since its calculated dynamically and no label that the FDA can investigate if there is an issue or question (and I cant verify, or link to...), I am leaving it off the list for now.

Thanks
Anthony Loera

[maxwatt]

I've just ordered a couple of batches from customcapsule.com, including a nice resveratrol/quercetin/silymarin mix that will hopefully help kickstart those sirtuins
The resv price on their site was surprisingly competitive - $1.23 per gram of 50% pure product.
Of course, they have no COA or vendor info that can help build trust in product quality, so does anyone else have experience with the company in general and their resv in particular ?

They should supply you with a COA and hopefully an independant lab test of their 50% resveratrol. The two points concerning quality are the amount of heavy metals, and emodin content, which should be under 5%. It is preferable to get the emoding as low as possible. Commercial Chinese extracts at 50% resveratrol are either over 5% (as much as 10%) or under 5%.

I've seen some test out at 3%, but that's rare. My contact in China thinks he is on to a new process for washing the final extract to remove solvent residue, that will get the emodin content down to 1%, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm fascinated by the idea of mixing resveratrol and silymarin, but don't know if the results will be complementary, or if one will competively inhibit the other, so the sum will be less than the parts. Let us know your results.

As for quercetin, the mechanism of action seems to be competitive inhibition of glucoridation, so more free resveratrol makes it into the blood. I believe the same result an be achieved by taking it with food, as long as there are vegetables, salad or fruit with the meal.

[asnufu]

Maxwatt, thanks for the feedback.

I'll be sure to post pre-supp and post-supp bloodwork when I get the latter - the pre results were fairly standard on lipid, glucose, cholesterol, bp, so it'll be interesting to see how supplementation impacts that. I've tried to simplify my regimen of late, cutting from 15+ different supps to 2 customcapsule formulations (the resv mix and an alcar-based glucose support), a multitab (NOW) and 5000 UI D3 - should cover the bases, I think, and a lot more manegeable than the pill hell that iherb can get you into [sfty].

Anthony, how do you arrive at the $1.40 price mark - I tried to build a pure resv. blend on their site, and calculated from that. As I recall, I put 265mg in a capsule at 300 pills per batch = 79.5 grams at $64.52 = $1.23 rounded.

[Anthony_Loera]

Interesting,

I put 500mg into a batch and of course they simply doubled the 250 capsules and said (2 capsules per serving), and came up with different numbers.

It's a bit much for the average person, and pricing is not apparent. The business model seems to rely on the perspective that a user may find a higher value for the service rather than value for the ingredients.

It's squarely aimed at folks who probably don't mind paying a higher price to control the capsule contents. Specially if you mix a high cost ingredient with a low cost one...

The business model is interesting, but I am not sure it can grow very much. It appears to be limited to users who don't mind paying more for vitamins in exchange for building a 'custom' item that can't hold more than 250mg-300mg a capsule.

So, if I go to wallgreens, and buy 5 different types of vitamins (where you may take 1 capsule per bottle), will this customization help me take less capsules? I am hard pressed to see that it will, if you are exchanging individual ingredients from 5 different bottles, into 1 250mg-300mg capsule. You may be still taking 5 custom capsules at the end of the day, if they don't hold as much of each ingredient. On top of that, they may be more expensive...

Heck I may be wrong, but these are the thoughts that go through my head when I think about it.

I wish them the best, but at this time I find it a difficult business model to see grow. Also, they really need proper labeling and at least an ingredient price list that one can refer to without 'calculation' to easily compare against name brand items.

Anthony Loera

[Mind]

I just want to remind everyone that this thread is about Resveratrol Prices. Please try not to stray. Please post any new suppliers you might come across or any changes in pricing you have noticed lately. Other posts not relating to prices/suppliers may be deleted.

If you have a question about products from different companies (including Revgenetics) please contact them privately.

[capsule_guy]

Hi,

It's actually $1.40 a gram of rsv, but since its calculated dynamically and no label that the FDA can investigate if there is an issue or question (and I cant verify, or link to...), I am leaving it off the list for now.

Thanks
Anthony Loera

Every custom bottles gets its own custom label. Every batch that is created is is filed with batch number of every ingredient that goes into the custom creation. It is then logged which tech mixed and encapsulated the mix as well. This is all in place for GMP guidelines as well as the new FDA standards which all supp companies must comply to but 2009.

CC

[capsule_guy]

Interesting,

(1)I put 500mg into a batch and of course they simply doubled the 250 capsules and said (2 capsules per serving), and came up with different numbers.

(2)It's a bit much for the average person, and pricing is not apparent. The business model seems to rely on the perspective that a user may find a higher value for the service rather than value for the ingredients.

(3)It's squarely aimed at folks who probably don't mind paying a higher price to control the capsule contents. Specially if you mix a high cost ingredient with a low cost one...

(4)The business model is interesting, but I am not sure it can grow very much. It appears to be limited to users who don't mind paying more for vitamins in exchange for building a 'custom' item that can't hold more than 250mg-300mg a capsule.

(5)So, if I go to wallgreens, and buy 5 different types of vitamins (where you may take 1 capsule per bottle), will this customization help me take less capsules? I am hard pressed to see that it will, if you are exchanging individual ingredients from 5 different bottles, into 1 250mg-300mg capsule. You may be still taking 5 custom capsules at the end of the day, if they don't hold as much of each ingredient. On top of that, they may be more expensive...

Heck I may be wrong, but these are the thoughts that go through my head when I think about it.

(6)I wish them the best, but at this time I find it a difficult business model to see grow. Also, they really need proper labeling and at least an ingredient price list that one can refer to without 'calculation' to easily compare against name brand items.

Anthony Loera

(1) Of course there is a limit that each capsule can hold of an individual ingredient. Each ingredient has a different bulk density so it depends on how volumness that ingredient is. 200-300mgs is not our avg limit, On avg I would say 450-600mg is what most custom formulations come out to per capsule. Say a capsule only held 300mgs of a particular ingredient, ingredient A. If the person wanted 600 mgs yes we are going to still only have 300mgs per cap and let them now know that it is 2 capsules per serving. The price will not change and we inform them in writing and visually that it is now 2 caps per serving. We do this to make it simple. Especially if they are wanting to add another ingredient. Say they wanted 10mcg of B12 per serving also along with their 600mgs of ingredient A. Well we dont want them to have to go through and realize they need to take two capsules of 300mgs of ingredient A and so they only need 5mcg of B12 per capsule to make their serving correct. It is all for simplicity. By the way it is 300 pills per batch not 250.

(2) Pricing is apparent as it calculates it for you in real time as you add ingredients. If you actually compare our pricing people are not paying any more for a service. We are actually very competively priced and even more so if you add additional batches(5 batches of Res 50% at 500mgs per serving yields $1.17 per gram. The service is just an added benefit.

(3) covered in (2)

(4)Once again covered in (1, and 2)

(5)Also covered in previous statements. Max capsule content varies and is definately not limited to 300mgs.

(6) Every bottle receives custom labeling the follows FDA guidelines. Pricing and ingredient list is very neatly laid out as you build your own capsule.