766 replies to this topic

[Anthony_Loera]

I was going to order resv for the first time next month and use the code to help out TheFirstImmortal, but those new prices i will pass, and goto VitaPrime. I'll keep checking back here and hopefully those prices will drop again so i can do what i wanted to do in the first place when the price was in the 60's range, and help TheFirstImmortal in the way i planned. I'm not interested in being a full member here at this time so having that deal when u become a member doesn't interest me.

Sorry Sensix,

regardless of how you feel about the new price, our company, and vp... if you plan to help TheFirstImmortal, nothing is stopping you from doing so. If you are using this as an excuse not to help him, IMO it's not a very good one.

As for an explanation, $65 is not a huge jump in price, specially if you are part of a community who's purpose is the same as yours.

If you cannot afford $5, so that you can use the $65 price for the rest of the year and also take advantage of the "immortal" code and get this price down even more... to help yourself and at the same time helping TheFirstImmortal on top of it all...

then that is up to you...

To make it easy, here we have current VP order for 100 grams...
(Does anyone remember VP's COA we independently did? and what it tested at? It was not 99% at the time... so the price maybe for 98% unless a current COA is provided) But if that is not an issue, then proceed to the images.




Here is an order from RG:




and on top of it all you help TFI.

A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 14 August 2008 - 02:13 PM.

[SearchHorizon]

Anthony:

You are price tiering, which is a smart thing to do. But instead of doing it based on "full membership," why not just do that for all registered users who have certain post count?

In that way, you can still charge full amount to people who are not coming through this site, and get a high profit margin from them. At the same time, you don't lose regular posters from this forum as your customer.

As for the price, I don't mind paying a bit more, but a jump to $100 is a bit too steep. I know you are saying the price is still $65, but that is tied to me becoming a "full member." That doesn't seem fair to me. Whether I decide to be a "full member" is about exchanging knowledge. Whether I participate in that should not (at least to me) be related to a resveratrol purchase.

[Anthony_Loera]

I think I have heard of another company (not a supplement company) doing what you are saying.

I think if we had a system (a vote... a la "digg") I would implement this. I am afraid people will post garbage just to get a discount.
Any other ideas?

A

[senseix]

I was going to order resv for the first time next month and use the code to help out TheFirstImmortal, but those new prices i will pass, and goto VitaPrime. I'll keep checking back here and hopefully those prices will drop again so i can do what i wanted to do in the first place when the price was in the 60's range, and help TheFirstImmortal in the way i planned. I'm not interested in being a full member here at this time so having that deal when u become a member doesn't interest me.

Sorry Sensix,

regardless of how you feel about the new price, our company, and vp... if you plan to help TheFirstImmortal, nothing is stopping you from doing so. If you are using this as an excuse not to help him, IMO it's not a very good one.

As for an explanation, $65 is not a huge jump in price, specially if you are part of a community who's purpose is the same as yours.

If you cannot afford $5, so that you can use the $65 price for the rest of the year and also take advantage of the "immortal" code and get this price down even more... to help yourself and at the same time helping TheFirstImmortal on top of it all...

then that is up to you...

To make it easy, here we have current VP order for 100 grams...
(Does anyone remember VP's COA we independently did? and what it tested at? It was not 99% at the time... so the price maybe for 98% unless a current COA is provided) But if that is not an issue, then proceed to the images.




Here is an order from RG:



I never said i couldn't afford $5.00 for membership, but i'm not interested in becoming a full member at this time, i think i was clear in my last post. I do not plan on spending $100.00 for resv, your price change which is huge concidering the price it was prior, at a time when people were using it to help TheFirtImmortal is poor timing if you ask me. 98% vs 99% seems moot on my end, if it was 50% sure i could see the argument, if your product went from $62 to $65 i'd still purchase, if your product was even $70.00 i'd purchase and use the code to help out TheFirtImmortal, but at your price forget it.


and on top of it all you help TFI.

A

[senseix]

I was going to order resv for the first time next month and use the code to help out TheFirstImmortal, but those new prices i will pass, and goto VitaPrime. I'll keep checking back here and hopefully those prices will drop again so i can do what i wanted to do in the first place when the price was in the 60's range, and help TheFirstImmortal in the way i planned. I'm not interested in being a full member here at this time so having that deal when u become a member doesn't interest me.

Sorry Sensix,

regardless of how you feel about the new price, our company, and vp... if you plan to help TheFirstImmortal, nothing is stopping you from doing so. If you are using this as an excuse not to help him, IMO it's not a very good one.

As for an explanation, $65 is not a huge jump in price, specially if you are part of a community who's purpose is the same as yours.

If you cannot afford $5, so that you can use the $65 price for the rest of the year and also take advantage of the "immortal" code and get this price down even more... to help yourself and at the same time helping TheFirstImmortal on top of it all...

then that is up to you...

To make it easy, here we have current VP order for 100 grams...
(Does anyone remember VP's COA we independently did? and what it tested at? It was not 99% at the time... so the price maybe for 98% unless a current COA is provided) But if that is not an issue, then proceed to the images.




Here is an order from RG:



I never said i couldn't afford $5.00 for membership, but i'm not interested in becoming a full member at this time, i think i was clear in my last post. I do not plan on spending $100.00 for resv, your price change which is huge concidering the price it was prior, at a time when people were using it to help TheFirtImmortal is poor timing if you ask me. 98% vs 99% seems moot on my end, if it was 50% sure i could see the argument, if your product went from $62 to $65 i'd still purchase, if your product was even $70.00 i'd purchase and use the code to help out TheFirtImmortal, but at your price forget it.

[mikeinnaples]

Hmm ......well I got a month or so I will need to reorder, hopefully this will shake out for the best. I really don't want to switch back to VP.

[Anthony_Loera]

senseix,

we are moving away from regular resveratrol powder, and have mentioned in the past that we may drop it all together. The original idea was to provide it at a low price for folks on a fixed income. Obviously we haven't required any proof of this.

Having said that, we also wanted to leave the door open for folks that are have bought from us before and those on this board who support what this forum has to offer.

If 98% is moot, and you don't mind borderline levels of heavy metals, I still have a batch stored in the back I can sell you as long as you sign a release form. Oh, don't worry... all levels of heavy metals and arsenic are below the legal limit for consumption, but I will not sell it in any of our products. Basically if I am not willing to take it, I will not allow it in our products.

If you want it, I'll sell it to you for $300 a kilo... I have already lost money on this batch, and are never doing business with those providers again.

(This batch was the chinese attempt to make micronized resveratrol for us... so yes the particle size is small, but the COA came back with issues.) Since then we only use a US company for our micronization process.

Cheers.
A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 14 August 2008 - 04:32 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

Actually it was the mercury that was the biggest problem, I just looked at the COA again...
But if you eat alot of tuna, then you are probably used to it.

So let me know if you want to take it off my hands.

Cheers
A

[missminni]

senseix,

we are moving away from regular resveratrol powder, and have mentioned in the past that we may drop it all together. The original idea was to provide it at a low price for folks on a fixed income. Obviously we haven't required any proof of this.

Having said that, we also wanted to leave the door open for folks that are have bought from us before and those on this board who support what this forum has to offer.

If 98% is moot, and you don't mind borderline levels of heavy metals, I still have a batch stored in the back I can sell you as long as you sign a release form. Oh, don't worry... all levels of heavy metals and arsenic are below the legal limit for consumption, but I will not sell it in any of our products. Basically if I am not willing to take it, I will not allow it in our products.

If you want it, I'll sell it to you for $300 a kilo... I have already lost money on this batch, and are never doing business with those providers again.

(This batch was the chinese attempt to make micronized resveratrol for us... so yes the particle size is small, but the COA came back with issues.) Since then we only use a US company for our micronization process.

Cheers.
A

I must have missed this. Why are you dropping the powder?

[Anthony_Loera]

We may drop the powder, this decision is not a finalized .

We will continue to offer micronized powder. We are only considering dropping the regular powder. If we do drop regular powder completely, you will see price drops for micronized powder that will make lots of folks smile.

Cheers
A

[PWAIN]

Actually it was the mercury that was the biggest problem, I just looked at the COA again...
But if you eat alot of tuna, then you are probably used to it.

So let me know if you want to take it off my hands.

Cheers
A

Anthony,

Care to post the COA so we can judge for ourselves how serious the amounts of mercury are?

Please check your email and reply to my query from yesterday.

Chris

[Anthony_Loera]

Actually it was the mercury that was the biggest problem, I just looked at the COA again...
But if you eat alot of tuna, then you are probably used to it.

So let me know if you want to take it off my hands.

Cheers
A

Anthony,

Care to post the COA so we can judge for ourselves how serious the amounts of mercury are?

Please check your email and reply to my query from yesterday.

Chris

If any of you believe this is good stuff, feel free to take it off my hands.

See below:

[DaffyDuck]

We may drop the powder, this decision is not a finalized .

We will continue to offer micronized powder. We are only considering dropping the regular powder. If we do drop regular powder completely, you will see price drops for micronized powder that will make lots of folks smile.

Cheers
A

The micronized powder just doesn't seem cost effective at this time. Please correct me if my math is wrong.

Assuming 2g standard powder (the amount I take per day) is roughly equivalent to .9g micronized

100g std = 50 doses @ 2g
100g micro = 110 doses @ .9g

$68/50 = $1.36 / day
$233/110 = $2.12 / day

Also, some of us just don't want to spend over $200 at a time for supplements. 50g of micronized powder @ $75 sounds more reasonable to me. There is no value added solely because it is micronized so in my opinion it should be priced similarly for the same level of effectiveness. I might pay a little more for the pill form because it is more convenient but we are talking one powder vs another here.

[Anthony_Loera]

We will have a sale starting the 16th, and will drop pricing on micronized a bit.

But I wanted to get back about talking about COA's. REsvhead got me remembering all the bad crap we have tested... and I wanted to bring to your attention this one below:


Here's a 50% batch that we tested. This guy really upset the heck out of me at the time. I wanted to hurt him badly.
Yes, I will name this company particular because they are just awful, and will try to trick (at least that what they appeared to try with us) a company in the USA that buys from them.

They sent me a pretty clean COA (the powder definitely looked good on paper), and they have a good records and an ok reputation. The powder sample tested well the first time, but unlike others we test all our batches, not just the first sample...

When then we decided to order a small batch. (We gradually increase batch sizes as we test folks...)
We tested the small batch and simply got the worst results ever...

Not only does he flunk our 50% trans-resveratrol requirement in an amazing way... check the lead and (wholly crap) Mercury on this...

Horrible Resveratrol 50% batch

This is one guy, I will call out publicly because I don't want anyone to order his crap, and sell it in bulk as "super cheap" resveratrol capsules in the US market. We test our batches so we caught this before it ever was anywhere near encapsulation. But other folks who don't test every batch would have placed it out on the market thinking it was ok, because the first sample tested fine.

==========================================
Mr. Fang Li
Shaanxi Sciphar Biotechnology Co., Ltd.
No. 11, Tangxing Road, P.O.Box 35, Bell Tower P.O..710003 Xi'an
CHINA
Telephone: +86 29 8838 9752
Fax: +86 29 8838 9961
Email: sales@sciphar.com sciphar@126.com
Web site: www.sciphar.com
==========================================

Again, per FDA Rules... a company in the USA can accept a suppliers COA if they routinely test the powder once in a while... you can test once a year and be compliant with the FDA rules and regulations.

I stress testing every batch for a reason, and this guy is a perfect example of why it should be done. While the micronized batch was an attempt at doing something for us that turned out powder with higher than expected Mercury, this guy flat out lied and tried to hand over crap, that he knew would likely end up in someones home.

So again, please check with your favorite resveratrol company and ask them if they check every batch.

A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 15 August 2008 - 02:22 AM.

[maxwatt]

Actually it was the mercury that was the biggest problem, I just looked at the COA again...
But if you eat alot of tuna, then you are probably used to it.

So let me know if you want to take it off my hands.

Cheers
A

Anthony,

Care to post the COA so we can judge for ourselves how serious the amounts of mercury are?

Please check your email and reply to my query from yesterday.

Chris

Usually a COA states a pass/fail level, and the tested product will be below or above so many parts per million, such as:
Heavy Metals NMT 10ppm Conforms
Arsenic (As) NMT 0.5ppm Conforms
Cadmium(Cd) NMT 0.5ppm Conforms
Lead (Pb) NMT 1ppm Conforms
Mercury (Hg) NMT 0.5ppm Conforms

The NMT (Not More Than) levels here are European Union required levels for human consumption.

A lab analysis, which reputable purveyors of pills perform, like Anthony, on every batch they receive, will give a number, or the sensitivity limit of the test if nothing is detected, such as
Mercury (Hg) <0.025 mcg/g USP

Heavy metal contamination is a problem with urban knotweed, and with some rural stuff depending on wind patterns from cities or factories. Rural mountaintops can have surprisingly high levels of heavy metals; dust from cities tends to settle near the tops of mountain ridges. I've not had problems with batches I've had tested. I did hear, though, of a shipment that had so much mercury, it had to be buried in a toxic waste dump. Resveratrol brewed in a vat by genetically modified yeast or bacteria would not have this problem, but might have others.

I am curious what the levels Anthony detected were.

[Anthony_Loera]

I placed a link to the actual PDF here again:

http://revgenetics.c..._50_Percent.pdf

and for those without pdf software...here are images.


Again I remind you, this is supposed to be 50% Trans-resveratrol powder that was sold to us. Please look at Lead on this image, and Mercury on the second image.

First Page of COA:




Second Page of COA:




49.40 ppm for Mercury? That amount will hurt people.

A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 15 August 2008 - 03:14 AM.

[PWAIN]

About the COA above (I am refering to the 0.38ppm one here NOT the 49ppm one - brrrr), it is worth getting an idea of how much is in fish:

http://www.americanh...ntifier=3013797

Notice how much swordfish has. Imagine eating a about 350grams of that = 1Kg of this Resveratrol.

Would be great stuff to use with your pets.

Resvhead

Edited by resvhead, 15 August 2008 - 03:48 AM.

[senseix]

Actually it was the mercury that was the biggest problem, I just looked at the COA again...
But if you eat alot of tuna, then you are probably used to it.

So let me know if you want to take it off my hands.

Cheers
A

I never eat tuna, and i'm on a chelation routine that i do daily, using Ip6, Chlorella, plus drinking 8 stage filtered water daily ect. I've never purchased resv before, and before TheFirstImmortal's Cancer came to my attention, i never was interested in purchasing it, then i seen a way that i felt comfortable helping him out "besides the moral support and some pm's i've sent him with regards to how i am pulling for him", and trying resv for the first time, so a double positive i thought. I guess i'm annoyed that it didn't work out that way, and i planned on sometime next summer if i still enjoyed this forum and was still active to become a member either monthly or lifetime, that i haven't figured out as of yet.

If you go look at my post in one of TheFirstImmortal's threads, you'll see that my intent was to purchase resv and how i was pleased that some of that money would go to helping him out. So its not like i waited till after you changed your prices to scream foul, you can see my intent which is now cancelled unless something gets worked out, maybe that will happen. I do not want the mecury ridden product, obviously i don't want to ingest resv that someone who sells it wouldn't take themselves:P But i'd like to see a price reduction on the micronized product.

So maybe a nice deal will pop up, and maybe i can use that code and maybe some of the money will goto TheFirstImmortal:)

One last thing, i didn't see or read, that you were moving from one powder type to another, i missed that completely so this price change and so forth was a shock, and now you see why.

[maxwatt]

While I was posting, half a dozen posts were added. I've heard bad things about the same company. 陕西赛德高科生物股份有限公司.
They do not manufacture, do not know how to test, they just buy top quality samples, then buy from the lowest cost supplier to fill the big order.

[jCole]

Second Page of COA:




49.40 ppm for Mercury? That amount will hurt people.

A

49.40 ppm? Holy crap...

Can't say I'm surprised tho, China has 0 quality control or any health standards on anything.

Thank you for having ethical standards Anthony.


I, for one, will pay a little more to know what I'm putting into my body is quality... to much junk being pushed around the supplement market now a days.


Is there a way to test supplements that you buy yourself? I buy a lot of bulk discounted powders and it's reading info like this that makes me nervous where some of the supplements I buy, are really coming from.

Edited by jCole, 15 August 2008 - 01:45 PM.

[Dianna]

Hi Anthony, will you add this to your product list?

This a new product that is out with a patent pending extraction process using
the super grape: Vitis Rotundifolia

The Newest Anti Aging Supplements
Our Scientists sourced the purest and most potent natural Resveratrol. In fact, the extract's reseveratrol content is no less than 98%
This extract also supplies other potent polyphenol affecting cellular longevity pathways, such as phenolic acids, ellagitannins, anthocyanins and proanthocyanidins.

Thanks, Dianna

Edited by Dianna, 19 August 2008 - 04:52 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

Hi Anthony, will you add this to your product list?

This a new product that is out with a patent pending extraction process using
the super grape: Vitis Rotundifolia

The Newest Anti Aging Supplements
Our Scientists sourced the purest and most potent natural Resveratrol. In fact, the extract's reseveratrol content is no less than 98%
This extract also supplies other potent polyphenol affecting cellular longevity pathways, such as phenolic acids, ellagitannins, anthocyanins and proanthocyanidins.

Thanks, Dianna

Hi Diana,

I have the 3 bottles of Vivix right here as we wanted to get the right label ingredients before adding it to the list, and the label simply does not state the trans-resveratrol content in milligrams. It can be very small amount or not. All I can say is that I have personally been around alot of resveratrol and find that the taste (imagine a grape sweet-tart candy in your mouth, that is so sweet and tart that it might give you a headache...) leads me to believe there is a tiny bit of trans-resveratrol in the teaspoon. Yes this sucker is sweeter than my son's god awfully sweet birthday cake, hands down. (ok, that's just my opinion, and some people may love the high sweet taste, I just personally don't... but I do love reeses peanut butter cups, which some folks think is sweet, but I don't. Just throwing it out there for a further comparison)

Now, here is what it says on the box, as the little bottles do not have any listed ingredients on them:

==========================================
Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Teaspoon (5 mL)
Servings per container: 30
==========================================

Calories 15
Total Carbohydrate 4 g
==========================================
Rejuvetrol™ Patent-Pending Blend 1,390 mg
Muscadine Grape extract (Vitis rotundifolia) (fruit pomace),
trans-Resveratrol (Polygonum cuspidatum) (root) standerdized to a minumum 98% purity,
European Elderberry extract (Sambucus nigra) (fruit),
and Purple Carrot extract (Daucus carota sativus) (root)

==========================================
Other ingredients:
Sorbital, water, glycerin, silicon dioxide, and natural flavors
==========================================

As you can see,
it is not possible for me to get the amount of trans-resveratrol from the label and no information is provided from Shaklee to verify the amount. If we simply took the label it at face value, without all the marketing comments, I would be putting it down in the liquids section and other liquids in the price list would appear to have a better price because we would not be able to determine the amount of trans resveratrol in this liquid.

Sorry Diane, unless you have better information we can only guess that it maybe a very small amount. Also notice that the resveratrol does not come from any super grape, but from japanese knotweed.

Cheers
Anthony Loera

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 19 August 2008 - 07:04 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

Added Vivix to price list.

It is misspelled, as shacklee has warned us not to use their trademarks, so we will not use them on the price watch as well.

[Anthony_Loera]

Our August sale is over, edited pricesheet and added a Rejenx

[ajdedo]

Hi,

Do you know when "RevGenetics R300 - 150 Capsules" will become available again? And will it be at the $40 price?

Thanks :-)

[Anthony_Loera]

Hi,

Do you know when "R300 - 150 Capsules" will become available again? And will it be at the $40 price?

Thanks :-)

There is no doubt that for folks on autoship, the price will remain the same forever until they decide to cancel our delivery service. Once you are on Autoship, we will never change the price on you.

As an example:
2 months ago we stopped producing the R500 for the general public, but folks who are on Autoship still receive it (or receive a much better product at the same price).

For now R300 capsules will continue to be produced, and if there are production delays, we may temporarily ship out something better to our autoship customers that have received autoship products previously. Folks who are not on autoship or who have just signed up, will need to wait a bit for the R300 capsules or change the order if waiting is not possible.

I suspect that our pricing has sold out our R300 products earlier than anticipated. I will know sometime this week when we will be fully stocked again.

Cheers
A

[ajdedo]

Well I wanted to go on Autoship, but I don't think it's available to me since I live in Canada. I will be the US for most the winter, so I may start autoship when I get there. (Unless I can start while I'm still in Canada, the later change my address to the US)

But regardless of autoship, I was trying to figure out the best possible product for me.

I bought the R300 (150 caps) for $40. I took 3 a day (450 bottles of wine) for 50 days.
But now I'm intrigued about the Micro500 (30 caps) for $60. (up to 550 bottle of wine) for 30 days.

It seems pricewise the R300 is still the better deal. (Am I wrong?)

Thanks,
Andrew......

[Anthony_Loera]

If you have no issues with 50% powder, it remains a really good deal (IMHO).
Check the price list.

A

[ajdedo]

I perfer capsules.

So when you say you will know sometime this week when you will be re-stocked, I guess that means you won't be restocked this week.

I'm only asking because I've run out and need to reorder asap.

Thanks.

[william_ca]

Anthony,

I procrastinated on ordering your R300 x 150 capsules @ $40.00 from your website. Any idea when they will be back in stock?

Thanks for any information.