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[happy lemon]

I use a Japanese sunscreen (SPF 50+ PA++++) 365 days.

Zinc Oxide 17.69%
Octinoxate 8.8%
Uvinul A Plus 1.2%

[rycsquan]

May I know which is sunscreen is that?

[happy lemon]

http://www.kanebo-co...tem/item02.html

P.S. I am not associated with this company

[debu]

I wish I had more time to research this great thread. Quickly glancing, I saw that Japan is where to look for suncreen. I'm leaving for Tokyo in a few days for work and would like to pick some up off the shelf. Can someone recommend a few (or ingredients to look for?) that don't make me look like I'm trying out to be geisha?

I was using, and really liked: La Roche-Posay Anthelios 60 Melt-In Sunscreen http://www.amazon.co...=cm_rdp_product

It was the only one I found that seemed to work and not leave a big white streak on my cheek (guy with a perpetual 5 o' clock shadow, so the contrast looks ridiculous). Only problem is whenever it got on light fabric it left big yellow streaks that don't even come out with bleach. I wonder if there's different Asian/Euro versions of this that don't leave yellow, and what exactly the ingredient is that causes this? I moved to using LRP 40 anthelios (US formula if there's a difference) with mexoryl sx. Thing is, with this stuff when I go out in the sun I notice some very subtle freckles/spots developing around corner of eyes and above eyebrows that weren't there before. With the LRP60 I mentioned first, they are not as pronounced after sun. I know this has a lot to do with youth sun exposure and approaching forty, but also that the LRP 40 isn't strong enough. Also, tried some Neutrogena sunscreens but they dry out my face too much. Open to a suggestion I can pick up in the US before I leave, and some in Japan. Help a brother out here?

Edited by debu, 25 June 2013 - 08:05 PM.

[Heyman]

http://www.kanebo-co...tem/item02.html

P.S. I am not associated with this company

Is that one not white at all and invisible? I'm looking for a new one. I bought burnout sunscreen, and it was said that its not whitening, but actually it is. You won't get a white face, but you look paler in comparison if you smear it on one cheek, and it stays that way throughout the day.

I would like a pure nano zincoxide the most I guess, one that is totally invisible, does such a thing exist? I don't really like the Octinoxate but if theres nothing different, well... Sunscreen isn't of much use if you don't use it when its not aesthetically pleasing.

[happy lemon]

http://www.kanebo-co...tem/item02.html

P.S. I am not associated with this company

Is that one not white at all and invisible? I'm looking for a new one. I bought burnout sunscreen, and it was said that its not whitening, but actually it is. You won't get a white face, but you look paler in comparison if you smear it on one cheek, and it stays that way throughout the day.

I would like a pure nano zincoxide the most I guess, one that is totally invisible, does such a thing exist? I don't really like the Octinoxate but if theres nothing different, well... Sunscreen isn't of much use if you don't use it when its not aesthetically pleasing.

It depends on how much you use. Given the high percentage of zinc oxide & approximate 1/4 of teaspoon being used, I would say it is just a bit white for me.

I have used Burnout before and it makes me a white face.

ETA: some friends of mine do not find the Japanese sunscreen white at all; to me, it is acceptable and many people whom I meet are not aware that I have put a sunscreen on.

Edited by happy lemon, 28 June 2013 - 12:14 PM.

[Heyman]

May I ask, does anyone know if this sunscreen is photostable? I want to buy one that does not whiten my face, so a chemical one it is. This one seems to be a chemical one. Is the avobenzone fully stabilized in this sunscreen, so I only need to apply in the morning (if I don't sweat and don't go out for several hours)?

Aqua, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (nano), Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Diethylhexyl Butamido Triazone, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Dibutyl Adipate, Pentylene Glycol, Alcohol, Sorbitol, Dimethicone, Cetyl Phosphate, Cetyl Alcohol, Triethanolamine, Tocopherol, Decyl Glucoside, Lecithin, Acrylic Acid/VP Crosspolymer, Propylene Glycol, Xanthan Gum, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice Powder

[Heyman]

Sorry for the double post, but I can't edit anymore...

Would it be enough to apply the Allie extra uv protector only once?

Ingredients:

Methyl trimethicone,, zinc oxide,, water,, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate,, alcohol,, triethoxycaprylylsilane,, butylene glycol,,
octyldodecyl myristate,, diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate,, polymethylsilsesquioxane,, dimethicone,,
PEG-8 trifluoropropyl dimethicone copolymer,, ratzillacosme,, trifluoropropyl dimethiconol,,
trifluoropropyl dimethylsiloxane/trimethylsilyl silsesquioxane,, dimethicone/PEG-10/15 crosspolymer,, nylon-12,,
dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer,, dipentaerythrityl tri-polyhydroxystearate,, BHT,, sodium hyaluronate

It has Zinc Oxide, Octinoxate and Uvinul A Plus. I wonder since the Zinc Oxide is photostable, but the Octinoxate isn't, won't that create free radicals? Is the Octinoxate stabilized somehow?

I still wonder if the sunscreen in the post above would be enough to apply once daily as long as I don't sweat it out or something. I know there is this study showing sunscreens to produce more free radcials, but these were unstable ones and I guess no one knows if the free radicals are produced by by-products caused by the unstable sunscreen or by some other mechanism? Theres also another thread in this forum with no real answer, do you need to reapply photostable chemical sunscreens? The one in the post above this I posted contains Tinosorb S and Tinosorb M as well as Avobenzone etc...

I really wanted to like the burnout sunscreen (contains only zinc oxide) but it makes my face look pale, not really white but pretty pale. Theres no point in stopping photoaging if I look unhealthy and sick for the next 20 years.

Edited by Heyman, 30 June 2013 - 12:59 PM.

[happy lemon]

......Would it be enough to apply the Allie extra uv protector only once?

Ingredients:

Methyl trimethicone,, zinc oxide,, water,, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate,, alcohol,, triethoxycaprylylsilane,, butylene glycol,,
octyldodecyl myristate,, diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate,, polymethylsilsesquioxane,, dimethicone,,
PEG-8 trifluoropropyl dimethicone copolymer,, ratzillacosme,, trifluoropropyl dimethiconol,,
trifluoropropyl dimethylsiloxane/trimethylsilyl silsesquioxane,, dimethicone/PEG-10/15 crosspolymer,, nylon-12,,
dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer,, dipentaerythrityl tri-polyhydroxystearate,, BHT,, sodium hyaluronate......

Yes, I put it on for trekking from dusk till dawn and have not noticed my skin get any trace of tan.

It has Zinc Oxide, Octinoxate and Uvinul A Plus. I wonder since the Zinc Oxide is photostable, but the Octinoxate isn't, won't that create free radicals? Is the Octinoxate stabilized somehow?

I forgot the source which said that zinc oxide could stabilize Octinoxate, but we need Eva to shed light on it.

[Heyman]

Is there a pure non-whitening nano zinc-oxide sunscreen with nothing else in it?

If I can't find something, what about doing it yourself? Just adding it to some lotion?

http://stores.skines...Nano/Detail.bok

or is that a dumb idea? I don't have a mini blender or something, can you just use a moisturizer and add the nano Zno or is it impossible to blend it in with whatever tools you got at home? And if its possible, which lotion would be a good one, does it even matter?

Edited by Heyman, 30 June 2013 - 06:26 PM.

[Heyman]

Ok, sorry for double-posting again... so it seems like you can't really mix your own sunscreen, I've read some other posts now. Also I found the post of Eva Victoria stating that ZnO stabilizes OMC. But I also found her saying that nano ZnO does not protect against UVA1.

Would the Kanebo one protect against UVA1? Especially since it uses this "technology"? http://www.kao.com/j...091109_001.html

And another question: Do you think the C E Ferulic of Skinessentialactives is a good one? http://stores.skines...t--E/Detail.bok if you click on detailed description there is also shown how to prepare it... I wonder, because the one at lotioncrafter is done differently (with heating some stuff etc...). I already mixed it though and like it, just would like to know if its allright.

You also wrote somewhere else that C E Ferulic only works for ~ 6 hours (skinceuticals says it would be 72?), so does that mean I should reapply every 6 hours if its not a problem for me? (its really cheap, so...)

Edited by Heyman, 05 July 2013 - 05:48 PM.

[Ali]

Hi Eva, Hope you are well, what do you think of the reformulated New Ambra Solar Advanced Sensitive? http://www.garnier.c...se-2/index.aspx Apparently now it has better LONG UVA protection.

[Eva Victoria]

That is correct. ZnO is photostable and it stabilizes OMC.

......Would it be enough to apply the Allie extra uv protector only once?

Ingredients:

Methyl trimethicone,, zinc oxide,, water,, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate,, alcohol,, triethoxycaprylylsilane,, butylene glycol,,
octyldodecyl myristate,, diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate,, polymethylsilsesquioxane,, dimethicone,,
PEG-8 trifluoropropyl dimethicone copolymer,, ratzillacosme,, trifluoropropyl dimethiconol,,
trifluoropropyl dimethylsiloxane/trimethylsilyl silsesquioxane,, dimethicone/PEG-10/15 crosspolymer,, nylon-12,,
dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer,, dipentaerythrityl tri-polyhydroxystearate,, BHT,, sodium hyaluronate......

Yes, I put it on for trekking from dusk till dawn and have not noticed my skin get any trace of tan.

It has Zinc Oxide, Octinoxate and Uvinul A Plus. I wonder since the Zinc Oxide is photostable, but the Octinoxate isn't, won't that create free radicals? Is the Octinoxate stabilized somehow?

I forgot the source which said that zinc oxide could stabilize Octinoxate, but we need Eva to shed light on it.

[Eva Victoria]

The Allie sunscreen would protect up to 375nm and partially after that.
It might not be the best UVA protector, but it is a very elegant sunscreen that would be used regularly.

C E Ferulic serum can be a good alternative although a mixture of several antioxidants are always better than using one or a few.

Ok, sorry for double-posting again... so it seems like you can't really mix your own sunscreen, I've read some other posts now. Also I found the post of Eva Victoria stating that ZnO stabilizes OMC. But I also found her saying that nano ZnO does not protect against UVA1.

Would the Kanebo one protect against UVA1? Especially since it uses this "technology"? http://www.kao.com/j...091109_001.html

And another question: Do you think the C E Ferulic of Skinessentialactives is a good one? http://stores.skines...t--E/Detail.bok if you click on detailed description there is also shown how to prepare it... I wonder, because the one at lotioncrafter is done differently (with heating some stuff etc...). I already mixed it though and like it, just would like to know if its allright.

You also wrote somewhere else that C E Ferulic only works for ~ 6 hours (skinceuticals says it would be 72?), so does that mean I should reapply every 6 hours if its not a problem for me? (its really cheap, so...)

Send me the ingredients list. I cannot say anything about a product without having the possibility to see what it is made of.

Hi Eva, Hope you are well, what do you think of the reformulated New Ambra Solar Advanced Sensitive? http://www.garnier.c...se-2/index.aspx Apparently now it has better LONG UVA protection.

[Ali]

Hi Eva, thank you for you reply....Ive attached both the old version and new, the new is now in a round tube. Just to note that the new versions European rating has gone from 5 star ULTRA to just 3 star GOOD rating. am I to assume that improving the protection in the longer uva spectrum has lowered the overall uva rating? Is there any benefit to that? overall do you think the new version is a better sunscreen? thanks for any help:)

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[Mia K.]

Hi Eva,

So, Paula's Choice has introducted yet another s/s - perhaps this is the one you were anticipating?

RESIST Super-Light Wrinkle Defense spf 30:

Product Ingredients:
Active Ingredient: Zinc Oxide 13% (broad-spectrum sunscreen agent).
Other Ingredients: Water, Cyclopentasiloxane (silicone slip agent), PEG/PPG-18/18 Dimethicone (silicone-based thickener), Dimethicone Crosspolymer (silicone suspending agent), PEG-12 Dimethicone (silicone-based thickener), Resveratrol, Quercetin, Epigallocatechin Gallate (antioxidants), Tocopheryl Acetate (vitamin E/antioxidant), Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate (vitamin C/antioxidant), Adenosine (cell-communicating ingredient), Lauroyl Lysine (skin-conditioning agent), Bisabolol (anti-irritant), Trihydroxystearin (thickener), Salix Alba (Willow) Bark Extract (anti-irritant), Punica Granatum (Pomegranate) Extract (antioxidant), Haemstococcus Pluvialis Extract (astaxanthin/antioxidant), Hydrolyzed Corn Starch (thickener/mattifying agent), Polysorbate 80 (emulsifier), Hydrolyzed Silica (thickener/mattifying agent), Triethoxycaprylylsilane (silicone-based binding agent), C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate (emollient thickener), Isopropyl Titanium Triisostearate (texture enhancer), Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol (preservatives), Sodium Chloride (stabilizer), Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyethanol (preservatives), Iron Oxides (natural pigment).

What are your thoughts, please? Again, I am in SoFla, US.

Thank you for your time! BTW, I like the Clinique Even Better serum well enough that I 've re-purchased - thanks again for that recommendation.

Best, Mia

ps, Can't believe school is starting here next week - summer has flown by. I wish you a rewarding fall!

[Eva Victoria]

Hi Ali,

I don't believe these two products are the same. I think the first picture is the 200 ml for the body and the tube is 75 ml and is meant for the face.
I can see Mexoryl XL (Drometrizole TriSiloxane) on the product meant for the body, but I cannot see it on the tube. This can also be the reason for the lower star-rating.

Hi Eva, thank you for you reply....Ive attached both the old version and new, the new is now in a round tube. Just to note that the new versions European rating has gone from 5 star ULTRA to just 3 star GOOD rating. am I to assume that improving the protection in the longer uva spectrum has lowered the overall uva rating? Is there any benefit to that? overall do you think the new version is a better sunscreen? thanks for any help:)

[Eva Victoria]

Hi Mia,

Thank you for your mail.
This sunscreen looks more like the one that I was referring to.
I think it can be a very elegant sunscreen (due to the amount of silicone). I think 13% ZnO is an excellent broad-spectrum photostable sunscreen agent. I also believe it can be a very good sunscreen for you in the winter in Florida.
But I do believe that with so high UVR as in Fl from March to October, you would need a sunscreen with a higher UVB filter than what ZnO would provide.
Wish they have combined 13% ZnO with 5-7.5% OMC.

So glad you like Even Better The new Advanced Night Repair from Estee Lauder can be also an alternative. It is at least a lot lighter.

Enjoy the weekend before school starts again
Have a lovely summer and autumn, Mia!
Kindest regards,
Eva

Hi Eva,

So, Paula's Choice has introducted yet another s/s - perhaps this is the one you were anticipating?

RESIST Super-Light Wrinkle Defense spf 30:

Product Ingredients:
Active Ingredient: Zinc Oxide 13% (broad-spectrum sunscreen agent).
Other Ingredients: Water, Cyclopentasiloxane (silicone slip agent), PEG/PPG-18/18 Dimethicone (silicone-based thickener), Dimethicone Crosspolymer (silicone suspending agent), PEG-12 Dimethicone (silicone-based thickener), Resveratrol, Quercetin, Epigallocatechin Gallate (antioxidants), Tocopheryl Acetate (vitamin E/antioxidant), Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate (vitamin C/antioxidant), Adenosine (cell-communicating ingredient), Lauroyl Lysine (skin-conditioning agent), Bisabolol (anti-irritant), Trihydroxystearin (thickener), Salix Alba (Willow) Bark Extract (anti-irritant), Punica Granatum (Pomegranate) Extract (antioxidant), Haemstococcus Pluvialis Extract (astaxanthin/antioxidant), Hydrolyzed Corn Starch (thickener/mattifying agent), Polysorbate 80 (emulsifier), Hydrolyzed Silica (thickener/mattifying agent), Triethoxycaprylylsilane (silicone-based binding agent), C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate (emollient thickener), Isopropyl Titanium Triisostearate (texture enhancer), Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol (preservatives), Sodium Chloride (stabilizer), Ethylhexylglycerin, Phenoxyethanol (preservatives), Iron Oxides (natural pigment).

What are your thoughts, please? Again, I am in SoFla, US.

Thank you for your time! BTW, I like the Clinique Even Better serum well enough that I 've re-purchased - thanks again for that recommendation.

Best, Mia

ps, Can't believe school is starting here next week - summer has flown by. I wish you a rewarding fall!

[Ali]

Hi Ali,

I don't believe these two products are the same. I think the first picture is the 200 ml for the body and the tube is 75 ml and is meant for the face.
I can see Mexoryl XL (Drometrizole TriSiloxane) on the product meant for the body, but I cannot see it on the tube. This can also be the reason for the lower star-rating.

Thank you for the reply Eva, The tube Sensitive advanced is not 75ml, its 200ml and its the direct replacement for the older sensitive 50+ which has not been discontinued. Ive uploaded another pic which shows the ingredients of the newer version bit more clearly. Would you say the older version is better? why would the newer version be marketed with additional anti-long uva technology when it has poorer uva protection compare to the older version? Many thanks Eva.

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[Eva Victoria]

Well if it is the replacement then I do not understand why they write additional UVA protection as long as Mexoryl XL is not included. Unless they don't refer to the previous version.
It can also be that the newer version contains more TiO2 compared to the older version (which can provide protection up to 370 nm if they (additionally) use larger particle size), hence they claim better UVA protection compared to the previous version.

Hi Ali,

I don't believe these two products are the same. I think the first picture is the 200 ml for the body and the tube is 75 ml and is meant for the face.
I can see Mexoryl XL (Drometrizole TriSiloxane) on the product meant for the body, but I cannot see it on the tube. This can also be the reason for the lower star-rating.

Thank you for the reply Eva, The tube Sensitive advanced is not 75ml, its 200ml and its the direct replacement for the older sensitive 50+ which has not been discontinued. Ive uploaded another pic which shows the ingredients of the newer version bit more clearly. Would you say the older version is better? why would the newer version be marketed with additional anti-long uva technology when it has poorer uva protection compare to the older version? Many thanks Eva.