159 replies to this topic

[Prometheus]

Course correction is one of the things that makes humanity beautiful. As is generosity and compassion.

Very sad to hear about your health, FirstImmortal. I pledge $100.00 to help out. Please PM me your account details so I can wire it over.

Perhaps some others may also provide some assistance, financial or otherwise.

[thefirstimmortal]

Wow, I'm touched. Hey, I got a better Idea. I don't know if your a life extension member or not, but I sure could use a bottle of life extension mix.

Course correction is one of the things that makes humanity beautiful. As is generosity and compassion.

Very sad to hear about your health, FirstImmortal. I pledge $100.00 to help out. Please PM me your account details so I can wire it over.

Perhaps some others may also provide some assistance, financial or otherwise.

[Ben]

Course correction is one of the things that makes humanity beautiful. As is generosity and compassion.

Very sad to hear about your health, FirstImmortal. I pledge $100.00 to help out. Please PM me your account details so I can wire it over.

Perhaps some others may also provide some assistance, financial or otherwise.

Yes I was thinking of setting up a paypal account or something considering that thefirstimmortal is a long time member and poster here. I'm sure many here would like to give back.

[Prometheus]

I don't know if your a life extension member or not, but I sure could use a bottle of life extension mix.

Done. PM me delivery details.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I'll PM you right away

I don't know if your a life extension member or not, but I sure could use a bottle of life extension mix.

Done. PM me delivery details.

[Shannon Vyff]

You don't have to worry about censorship any more I think

You probably are on Cryo-net? But this trial was posted and I thought of you, I wonder how difficult it would be to get into an experimental trial... http://www.enews20.c...mans_08949.html

Also, I'm sure many at Cryo-net would be willing to help as well, with the crazy legal battles you went through and the state seizing your considerable assets--are your CI arrangements in order?

I can donate a little as well, I'm sure every little bit helps

also, I remember seeing your posting count as higher, I'm willing to raise it if Mind, or Klien or anyone else in leadership remembers it as higher as well--we can change your posting count in the admin, controls.

Thank you zoolander for your explanation and apology, you awe me even more

Ben-Aus and Mygene your support is appreciated.

[eternaltraveler]

his posting count was definitely over 5000, maybe even over 6k.

Some members lost a lot of their post count in the forum upgrade.

Edited by elrond, 01 July 2008 - 07:03 PM.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.
Hi Everyone.
I'm falling a little behind on answering some of these posts and some of the questions asked of me, so be patient. There is a post count thread where I congratulated Bruce on his number of posts, assuming it did not vanish. That would indicate more closely how many posts I had. I was top poster and Bruce had just past me. The larger issue being lost data. Some of the posts represent research, legal research on protection of cryonics. Some posts threads represent hundreds of hours of extracting info from Supreme Court cases and federal law. Much of that data should be in the private area, as at the time I was in leadership in some form or capacity that allowed access where regular members could not enter. Since I can no longer enter such areas (perhaps those areas no longer exist), could someone in leadership enter and check to see if those files are still there?

his posting count was definitely over 5000, maybe even over 6k.

Some members lost a lot of their post count in the forum upgrade.

Edited by thefirstimmortal, 01 July 2008 - 08:50 PM.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

http://www.imminst.o...o...ic=4400&hl=

Yeah, Bruce passed me at the 6,000 mark that was on October 17. I never posted much in the summertime, because when I was healthy I spent most of my time riding or chasing women. But when winter rolled around I did some mad posting. That leaves 1/2 of Nov, Dec, and 5 days in January. I'm pretty sure you could easily figure another 500 posts.

Edited by thefirstimmortal, 01 July 2008 - 08:50 PM.

[Shannon Vyff]

Ok, that was fun, you now have a more accurate post count (and no, no amount of bribery will get anyone a higher post count, but we may be able to work out a deal for anyone that signs as a lifetime member )

I have looked for your past research into the preservation legally of cryonics, and am sorry to say I've not found anything, maybe some one else will know a way to access information that is archived from before the forum upgrade, when we last a lot of information.

It sounds quite informative and beneficial, I hope it will be found. Do you have the information archived anywhere?

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

Ok, that was fun, you now have a more accurate post count (and no, no amount of bribery will get anyone a higher post count, but we may be able to work out a deal for anyone that signs as a lifetime member )

Yeah, but that's not reflected under my post count.

I have looked for your past research into the preservation legally of cryonics, and am sorry to say I've not found anything, maybe some one else will know a way to access information that is archived from before the forum upgrade, when we last a lot of information.

It sounds quite informative and beneficial, I hope it will be found. Do you have the information archived anywhere?

No, I don't have that archived anywhere else. I thought this site would be safer for long term storage than my computer.

Edited by thefirstimmortal, 01 July 2008 - 08:51 PM.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

Thank you for putting in the additional information, I did not know that bit of the history.

Your welcome

--they are here to help you too, and to implement these changes to the forum that you are pushing for. Mind is in agreement with you, and we need to be discussing those issues that you want to see changed, such as the Free Speech Forum

Shannon, I’m not trying to change anything, just trying to make sure that the constitution that already exists is adhered to. Because it appears to me that mind will be fixing this, I’m holding off on spending much more time on the issue. If all goes as it should, the Freedom forum will be restored and I will only be posting there, where Zoolander, Sheperd and cnorwood will be absolutely powerless to ever mess with anything I write again. I will no longer be under the threat of censorship. They can moderate every other section of the site, but that one.

If you have a problem with someone's behavior, please complain by PM to me, or someone else in leadership so the issue can be resolved in a more diplomatic manner without anyone feeling affronted.

If I have a problem with someone, I’ll address it the public forum in front of everyone, or personally PM them and handle it between the two parties.

The 'King Norwood' part is sarcastic and not necessary of course. I'd appreciate it if that was taken out.

Yes Shannon, it is sarcastic. It’s smart-alecky, sneering, humorous and satirical mimicry. I am mocking him, my comment is intended to cause contemptuous laughter it is also intended to make cnorwood the butt of contempt ridicule.
And it is also necessary. They are the only tools I have to stop his actions of locking my thread out. I don’t have the power to unlock the thread, or keep it unlocked. I cannot force him to stop locking my threads, but I can persuade him by ridicule to stop acting in a tyrannical manner. And make no mistake, cnorwood has been acting like a tyrant. He has displayed an unrestrained exercise of power, a despotic abuse of authority. I will not edit my post, but cnorwood and you both have the power to delete the post if you believe that it is in violation of the policy. This isn’t the Freedom Forum Shannon, if it were, I might said something you really would have offended your sensibilities.

I must be able to discuss issues, great or small, through the means of expression I deem best suited to my purpose. It is for I, not you, to choose the best means of expressing a message. I claim the right not only to advocate my cause but also to select what believe to be the most effective means for doing so.
"I have sworn . . . eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" (Thomas Jefferson).

Edited by thefirstimmortal, 01 July 2008 - 09:02 PM.

[eternaltraveler]

The larger issue being lost data. Some of the posts represent research, legal research on protection of cryonics. Some posts threads represent hundreds of hours of extracting info from Supreme Court cases and federal law.

not to worry. The old forum still exists, precisely because we were afriad of loosing data somehow in the upgrade

see; www.imminst.org/oldforum

However,

Where I did think some topics I was a part of in the past were "lost" in the upgrade. I was able to eventually find them in the new forum. Some things got sent to the wrong places, etc.

[thefirstimmortal]

Lost post count? Are all the posts still there?

his posting count was definitely over 5000, maybe even over 6k.

Some members lost a lot of their post count in the forum upgrade.

[eternaltraveler]

I don’t have the power to unlock the thread, or keep it unlocked. I cannot force him to stop locking my threads, but I can persuade him by ridicule to stop acting in a tyrannical manner. And make no mistake, cnorwood has been acting like a tyrant.

that approach only works if everyone functions under crocker's rules. Which they do not. Being courteous *is* part of the user agreement, and it does apply to everywhere outside of the freedom forum.

If someone really is a tyrant, and you ridicule and otherwise annoy them, they will just have your head cut off

[eternaltraveler]

Lost post count? Are all the posts still there?

like I said. Even if they were somehow misplaced in the upgrade, they would still be found at www.imminst.org/oldforum. I believe if you find anything there that doesn't exist here we can port it over, and the google bots should still be able to find it (outside of the leadership and member areas...)

There are also some old backups of the database from a long time ago.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.
Shannon Wrote

that is something that we can fix and perhaps you would like to be its moderator--as it is a forum that of course will require very little moderation

Ben Wrote

I think you'll be a very fair moderator in that forum.

While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I have no interest in becoming a moderator (censor). To censor is to devalue liberty of thought, speech and expression. The goal of liberty and free speech is to permit us to live in a complex but nonviolent world of difference, disagreement, debate, and efforts of persuasion without coercion and violence. Liberty and freedom of speech are hard-won and precious. They require, for their sustenance, men and women who would abhor their own power of censorship and their own special privileges as much as they abhor those of others.

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

I have a suggestion, could we, or should we just do away with the Active topics page? Of what real benefit is it? Does it really perform a necessary function? What would we lose if we did away with it?

[David]

Hey Bill, I'm going to disagree with you (not for the first time ) You are the perfect person to become a moderator. The person who should have the most powerful jobs are those least willing to exercise that power. Put simply my fine friend "The government that governs the best is the government that governes the least". Or, "Good governance is governance you can ignore".

Those that want power are often those who really shouldn't have it.

Please Will, take the position.

I would like to put forward a notion that we need to recognise Will as a person of "Special Interest" to Imminst. We need to have some kind of way of making sure the input of people like Will is remembered. Physical immortality may so far elude us, but we can "immortalise" people of substantial achievement in some way.

[David]

Melbourne must be cold right about now

Lonely too............

[Shannon Vyff]

I don’t have the power to unlock the thread, or keep it unlocked. I cannot force him to stop locking my threads, but I can persuade him by ridicule to stop acting in a tyrannical manner. And make no mistake, cnorwood has been acting like a tyrant.

that approach only works if everyone functions under crocker's rules. Which they do not. Being courteous *is* part of the user agreement, and it does apply to everywhere outside of the freedom forum.

If someone really is a tyrant, and you ridicule and otherwise annoy them, they will just have your head cut off

Bill, I do not laugh when someone else is being made fun of in a sarcastic manner, this makes me think less of the person who is doing the ridiculing that the person being ridiculed --even if the person being ridiculed 'deserves' it (deserve being quite subjective here, plus it seems more 'childish' less mature to be ridiculing another) and with cnorwood--I do not feel he deserves any sort of castigation for his trying to help with this situation in this thread, when things started getting out of hand--by 'out of hand' I mean the personal attacks, the flared anger, the egos that were affronted. You may still feel cnorwood was out of line, and that is ok, but it is not ok to as Elrond stated "not follow our user agreement" (by our, meaning ImmInst's) You can say why you don't agree with cnorwood's actions, but not attack him personally--what I'm constituting as such, is labeled by you as 'sneering, sarcastic' etc. Maybe things are different in the Freedom Forum, or Free Speech Forum (those are the changes of which I speak, just updating to the original constitution, from what we have now, or had while you were away) and one can carry out personal attacks with abandonment--but hey, that is why you'd be a great moderator there, and I'd say I can match you in vehemence, but I'd worry that my kids would some day read it (not that I haven't posted stuff here before that I worry about them reading, but I chalk that up to actual stuff I've experienced in my life, and it being true things that happened thus under the scope of my life lived as an open-book and all things being up for analyzation. I'm not worried about my character and how I treat people--I try to set an example of what I believe are the highest ideals of mankind, one of those is using reason over emotion--and politeness to effect change, that is effect not affect ). You would by all criteria put forth to test a moderator, be one of the upmost quality for the Free Speech Forum.

Oh, and I like the active topics page yeah, you'd have to start a new thread to garner comments on that one

[David]

So how bout it Bill? Step up mate. Wear the sherrif's badge with pride............

[David]

You could polish it and show it to people....................

[Prometheus]

Those that want power are often those who really shouldn't have it.

Please Will, take the position.

I would like to put forward a notion that we need to recognise Will as a person of "Special Interest" to Imminst. We need to have some kind of way of making sure the input of people like Will is remembered. Physical immortality may so far elude us, but we can "immortalise" people of substantial achievement in some way.

Here, here.

[David]

Where is that raskally Will? Get in here and make and acceptance speech! Some peeeeple..........

David

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

Those that want power are often those who really shouldn't have it.

Please Will, take the position.

Oh, I'm in deep $#!^ here. Well, I see The Greatest Australian on the planet, Dave is back. So I think this would be a good time to confess that I was a Navigator at one time, and censored a post. That is why I cannot be trusted with that kind of power.

http://www.imminst.o...o...ic=2628&hl=

[Shepard]

So I think this would be a good time to confess that I was a Navigator at one time, and censored a post

Off with this man's head. Such a vile tyrant has never before existed.

[DJS]

Wow, David and thefirstimmortal back at ImmInst. This is weird.

[zoolander]

So I think this would be a good time to confess that I was a Navigator at one time, and censored a post

Oh the shame

[thefirstimmortal]

POSTED UNDER THREAT OF CENSORSHIP.

On your treatments, hopefully you can find some use here

I have amassed a large amount of data on combating this cancer. But I’ll check out what might be here. An individual Pmed me today with a substance that I did not come across, so I could have missed a few things.

--but there are also many cancer patient support sites, maybe you could find one for people dealing with the same sort of cancer?

Oh, umm, ahh, nooo. My first stay in the Gibson Cancer ward was kinda eye opening. Everyone had cancer and almost everyone was in a deep depression. That’s what all the cancer support groups are all about, a bunch of people dying with cancer trying to do I don’t know what, but I know what they are not doing. They’re not fighting their cancer. Almost every cancer book I’ve read has at least one chapter devoted to depression, I mostly glossed over that. I don’t need emotional support; I need resources to battle the cancer.

I'm sorry as well for all the pain you are in, I empathize.

Actually, part of that’s my own fault. I was given a 14 day supply of oxy’s, well over a month ago. I’ve only taken 2 pills. That’s another thing I noticed while on the Gibson Wing, everybody was nodding out on various pain meds.

I hope you are getting some adequate treatment through the medical system,

I have my first appointment this Thursday; they may admit me to the hospital right then, but CT scan for sure. I can post from there. This time they can’t stop me.

as well as being able to implement some alternative therapies on your own,

alternative therapies are the only real hope of a cure in my opinion. Chemo will shrink the size of the tumor, but it never cures this type of cancer.

going onto a macrobiotic diet is something you could do in an inexpensive way.

I checked that out, couldn’t quite get my arm around that one. Dirk, I forget his last name, guy from A-Team and Battlestar Galactica wrote a book on that. Interesting book, but I dunno about the diet.

Edited by thefirstimmortal, 02 July 2008 - 05:05 PM.