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[luv2increase]

You believe in the information taught in those courses and/or chapters of books as 100% truth, yet they are only theories. Now, you call me believing in the Bible as pitiful? I beg to differ

You still don't understand what science is about and don't understand the meaning of the word "theory" when used in science.

I've had 3 years of courses at OSU getting A's and B's in all my preresiquate, elective and major science based courses. That along with much research via the internet and books have given me a great understanding of scientific inquiry and knowledge.


There are many scientists out there whom are Christians and/or believe that a Higher Power created all which we know and do not know. Don't act as if I am the only person on the planet that believes that a Higher Power is our Creator, because to put it bluntly, even though it doesn't make a difference, there are more people which believe a Higher Power created everything.

It doesn't mean much, but I am in the majority whilst you my blind friends are in the minority.

[Shepard]

I've had 3 years of courses at OSU getting A's and B's in all my preresiquate, elective and major science based courses. That along with much research via the internet and books have given me a great understanding of scientific inquiry and knowledge.

You believe in the information taught in those courses and/or chapters of books as 100% truth, yet they are only theories.

Yet, you continue to misuse and throw around the word theory as it's used in the common vernacular and believe that science is some rigid information in books. Seems that you didn't actually learn that much while making those A's and B's.

Edited by shepard, 19 November 2008 - 07:41 PM.

[luv2increase]

I've had 3 years of courses at OSU getting A's and B's in all my preresiquate, elective and major science based courses. That along with much research via the internet and books have given me a great understanding of scientific inquiry and knowledge.

You believe in the information taught in those courses and/or chapters of books as 100% truth, yet they are only theories.

Yet, you continue to misuse and throw around the word theory as it's used in the common vernacular and believe that science is some rigid information in books. Seems that you didn't actually learn that much while making those A's and B's.

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.


Also, I can't fathom how any scientific theories known to man today disprove in the least the existence of a Higher Power, or that a Higher Power is our Creator. One thing can always be said is that the Higher Power is behind and the creator of so-and-so said theory.

[brokenportal]

One thing can always be said is that the Higher Power is behind and the creator of so-and-so said theory.

Why do people always say that there is a "higher power" behind the mystery of existence? What if the higher power is random minerals and stuff getting together randomly? Or any of an infinite amount of other possabilities we cant even conceive of?

[Shepard]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

You mean that 100% of the other possibilities haven't been disproven?

[luv2increase]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

You mean that 100% of the other possibilities haven't been disproven?

What are you talking about? There are instances where more than one "theory" attempt to explain a phenomena. I'm beginning to wonder what your scientific background is to be honest.

[Shepard]

What are you talking about? There are instances where more than one "theory" attempt to explain a phenomena. I'm beginning to wonder what your scientific background is to be honest.

I give up. You're not grasping these basic concepts of how science works or what "theory" actually means when used formally.

[brokenportal]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

You mean that 100% of the other possibilities haven't been disproven?

What are you talking about? There are instances where more than one "theory" attempt to explain a phenomena. I'm beginning to wonder what your scientific background is to be honest.

I think its a lot like this analogy, If you walk into your kitchen and you notice that there is peanut butter all over the counter, and you look and see your 10 year old kid is full and sprawled out on the couch, and there is a half eaten sandwich on the ground next to him, and half the loaf of bread is gone, and you know that the peanut butter was less than half full, then you can theorize pretty confidently that the peanut butter is probably all gone now. They could have a couple of theories about it, like maybe the kids friends were just there helping him eat the peanut butter.

The theologist on the other hand, would look at this situation and conclude that an invisible being supplied the peanut butter to the kid and that the the science minded person should not go assuming that the peanut butter is all but gone.

[Shepard]

They could have a couple of theories about it, like maybe the kids friends were just there helping him eat the peanut butter.

Again, I stress that this is the common usage of the word. Evolutionary theory (or Theory, if it helps make the distinction) is not the same as the uneducated hunches that would be made in this situation. They wouldn't even amount to hypotheses.

[eternaltraveler]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

if you are ever 100% certain about anything, you are delusional.

[brokenportal]

They could have a couple of theories about it, like maybe the kids friends were just there helping him eat the peanut butter.

Again, I stress that this is the common usage of the word. Evolutionary theory (or Theory, if it helps make the distinction) is not the same as the uneducated hunches that would be made in this situation. They wouldn't even amount to hypotheses.

Alright, so Ive merged hypothesis and theory in my head a bit as well, lets call it a hypotheisis that the peanut butter is empty, the point is that religion is the worst of the hypothesis's, more like a rediculous assumption.

So in that light, by this,

There are instances where more than one "theory" attempt to explain a phenomena

do you mean that creation and evolution are both theories that explain existence? If so then I think the distinction being made is that the existence of the universe started off as a group of hypothesises, creationism being amongst them, but only evolution stood through the testing. Creationism didnt, it never grew beyond a hypothesis that borders on being a rediculous assumption.

The hypothesis that an invisible person created the peanut butter mess wouldnt hold up to testing, and the hypothesis that the peanut butter was eaten by the kid and is gone is going to hold up.

[luv2increase]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

if you are ever 100% certain about anything, you are delusional.

I am a male, 25 years old, dirty blonde colored hair, 5'9" tall, right-handed, own my own business, like the Internet, and a Christian.


I just flawlessly contradicted your statement, elrond.

[brokenportal]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

if you are ever 100% certain about anything, you are delusional.

I am a male, 25 years old, dirty blonde colored hair, 5'9" tall, right-handed, own my own business, like the Internet, and a Christian.


I just flawlessly contradicted your statement, elrond.

Are you certain that your not in a computer simulation?

[eternaltraveler]

I just flawlessly contradicted your statement, elrond.

You mean you flawlessly provided an example of a delusion (assuming you are 100% certain about the above, and not say 99.99% certain).

But hey, if it helps you to sleep at night. Believe whatever you want. Just don't try to impose it on others.

[luv2increase]

Just don't try to impose it on others.

Who is trying to impose what on whom? This is the Spirituality & Religion subforum. If you don't like what you see, then move on. If you can't stomach it, then move on. No one is forcing you to view and post on this thread.


Do you expect this subforum to just completely bash religion and the existence of a god? Is that what you expect? Notice this isn't a BIOLOGY or EVOLUTION subforum. You need not to introduce that nonsense in a Religion subforum because it has no place here.


When one gets old enough and mature enough, they will realize that they have to live with others whose beliefs are not the same as theirs. They will also have to live in harmony. Calling the opposition "DELUSIONAL" is that of an immature individual who possibly didn't get raised correctly or who grew up in a disturbing environment. Basically, they were not raised to accept the beliefs opposite of their own. In other words, a person such as this, most definitely exhibits a character flaw. Given enough time and real-world experiences, this flaw could possibly be remedied.

[eternaltraveler]

I'm glad there's hope for me.

[Cyberbrain]

The most important thing to always remember in the back of your scientifically thinking mind when learning about a theory, is that it is not 100% proven.

if you are ever 100% certain about anything, you are delusional.

I agree you can never have 100% certainty ... that is except math

[vyntager]

Do you expect this subforum to just completely bash religion and the existence of a god? Is that what you expect? Notice this isn't a BIOLOGY or EVOLUTION subforum. You need not to introduce that nonsense in a Religion subforum because it has no place here.

Plox not to disturb / endanger my dear beliefs.

Oh, and don't you feel a tad TERRITORIAL there ?.

Debate is a welcome thing, even in the spirituality and religion forum, surely ?

When one gets old enough and mature enough, they will realize that they have to live with others whose beliefs are not the same as theirs. They will also have to live in harmony. Calling the opposition "DELUSIONAL" is that of an immature individual who possibly didn't get raised correctly or who grew up in a disturbing environment. Basically, they were not raised to accept the beliefs opposite of their own. In other words, a person such as this, most definitely exhibits a character flaw. Given enough time and real-world experiences, this flaw could possibly be remedied.

I believe people who call other people immature, flawed, and libel their upbringing have possibly not been raised correctly, and maybe even grew up in a disturbing environment. In other words, they are quick to denote the mote that is in their brother's eye, but are blind to the beam that is in their own (Matthew 7:3 just in case).

What manner of a wreck must I be to say that though ?

[Brainbox]

It's very reassuring to see that the world didn't change last night while I was asleep. The outcome of religious discussions still leads to ......

Los endos?

The grand finale. Just a hint though in this addictive environment.

Edited by Brainbox, 21 November 2008 - 11:25 PM.

[luv2increase]

I believe people who call other people immature, flawed, and libel their upbringing have possibly not been raised correctly, and maybe even grew up in a disturbing environment. In other words, they are quick to denote the mote that is in their brother's eye, but are blind to the beam that is in their own (Matthew 7:3 just in case).

No one is calling anyone flawed. Where are you?


I believe that any person who is closed-minded is flawed. They don't open up their minds to other beliefs or even want to atleast hear them out. If this isn't a flaw, then what shall one call it, vyntager?

[vyntager]

If this isn't a flaw, then what shall one call it, vyntager?

That's the point. You shouldn't call it out. You should strive to resolve it, peacefully and in private (Matthew 18:15), also by showing the right example (Timothy 4:12), and all the time keeping this last one in mind : John 8:7 .

[Shepard]

Biblowned.

[luv2increase]

If this isn't a flaw, then what shall one call it, vyntager?

That's the point. You shouldn't call it out. You should strive to resolve it, peacefully and in private (Matthew 18:15), also by showing the right example (Timothy 4:12), and all the time keeping this last one in mind : John 8:7 .

What do you call this? I never called anyone out directly? I am confused, but I'm not sure if it as confused as you are...

[forever freedom]

If this isn't a flaw, then what shall one call it, vyntager?

That's the point. You shouldn't call it out. You should strive to resolve it, peacefully and in private (Matthew 18:15), also by showing the right example (Timothy 4:12), and all the time keeping this last one in mind : John 8:7 .

What do you call this? I never called anyone out directly? I am confused, but I'm not sure if it as confused as you are...

You sure seem confused in this thread. Of course the fallacies in which you base yourself for your arguments are probably responsible for this confusion.

I don't know if you have some problem of lack of social skills that blinds you to the arrogance that you're constantly displaying to everyone here, because if you display it intentionally, then as vyntager said, according to the Bible you shouldn't be like this. A hell of an example of a christian you are...

[luv2increase]

If this isn't a flaw, then what shall one call it, vyntager?

That's the point. You shouldn't call it out. You should strive to resolve it, peacefully and in private (Matthew 18:15), also by showing the right example (Timothy 4:12), and all the time keeping this last one in mind : John 8:7 .

What do you call this? I never called anyone out directly? I am confused, but I'm not sure if it as confused as you are...

You sure seem confused in this thread. Of course the fallacies in which you base yourself for your arguments are probably responsible for this confusion.

I don't know if you have some problem of lack of social skills that blinds you to the arrogance that you're constantly displaying to everyone here, because if you display it intentionally, then as vyntager said, according to the Bible you shouldn't be like this. A hell of an example of a christian you are...

Why don't you enlighten me? You are criticizing me without basis for any criticism to be given. Point out the error(s) which I have displayed. Anyone can say anything and in any way, but can that person prove what they are saying; that is the real question my friend.


edit: Also, remember that no human is perfect due to the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. It is by God's grace that our sins can be forgiven is we repent our sins unto Him. He is our Savior. People misconstrue Christians in thinking that they shouldn't sin at all, and if they do that they are then hypocrites. We are all born of the flesh. Our fleshly bodies are not perfect and will always be subject to wrongdoings.

Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


Here are a couple of good verses for you all:

Matthew 7:1-2
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Edited by luv2increase, 23 November 2008 - 06:36 PM.

[Moonbeam]

edit: Also, remember that no human is perfect due to the fall of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. It is by God's grace that our sins can be forgiven is we repent our sins unto Him. He is our Savior.

What if we don't believe in human sacrifice, or think that we've done anything bad enough that somebody else needs to be killed for it?

If your god existed, he would be a the ultimate in cruelty.

You do know about all the contradictions in the bible, making it impossible to live by, even if you wanted to, don't you? No problems with that?

How old do you think the earth is, Luv? Why don't you tell us a little about science that you've learned from the bible? :snicker:

[luv2increase]

What if we don't believe in human sacrifice, or think that we've done anything bad enough that somebody else needs to be killed for it?

There never was a human sacrifice. Animal sacrifices were performed under the "old law". Jesus took the place of that when He died on the cross for our sins.

There is no need to do animal or human sacrifices anymore; just believe in Jesus Christ and that He died on the cross for our sins.

[thughes]

There is no need to do animal or human sacrifices anymore; just believe in Jesus Christ and that He died on the cross for our sins

You know that's insane right? "Believe the right things, most of which people just believe because they were raised from childhood to believe, and presto! get an eternal reward".

Only humans could come up with something that silly. Its great for controlling people, give them something to believe they are special ("in the know"), with a bit of added fear of punishment to prevent too much thinking or many desertions.

If there is a God, hes much better than that I'm sure =)

- Tracy

[brokenportal]

Religion is still very engrained, but it will slowly fade away.

Edited by brokenportal, 24 November 2008 - 04:16 AM.

[luv2increase]

There is no need to do animal or human sacrifices anymore; just believe in Jesus Christ and that He died on the cross for our sins

You know that's insane right? "Believe the right things, most of which people just believe because they were raised from childhood to believe, and presto! get an eternal reward".

Only humans could come up with something that silly. Its great for controlling people, give them something to believe they are special ("in the know"), with a bit of added fear of punishment to prevent too much thinking or many desertions.

If there is a God, hes much better than that I'm sure =)

- Tracy

Insane? It is what is said in the Bible. It is God's instruction to his Bride. God is the Bridegroom, and we Christians are the Bride of Christ. I forgot to also mention that one needs to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Read the book of Romans to read up on this. It is the Word of God. It is to be abode by if one wants to be Christ like and enter Heaven. If you read the New Testament and prayed beforehand, thughes, you will learn a lot, more than any other book can give you. It is more relevant to any other book. God Bless You!