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[platypus]

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

So Yahweh wants to kill and maim people or why does he do it?

[luv2increase]

So Yahweh wants to kill and maim people or why does he do it?

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.



Matthew 18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.


Mark 9:45
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:


Matthew 23:33
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?



2 Peter 2:6-9
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:


Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.



It isn't as if our God is an unjust God for he clearly warns his children what the reprocutions are for not believing in Him and abiding by His Word. If He would have never given instruction, then yes it would be odd, but our God is a wonderful God who deserves all glory for ever and ever.

He is the Savior for those whom believe on His Name.

[eternaltraveler]

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[luv2increase]

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Hmmm... I wasn't replying to your post, elrond. I know the verses which I have posted frustrate you, in fact the whole thread for that matter, but I'm still curious as to why you are posting yet? Your most recent post didn't contain any substance neither, for there was an absence of words in it.



edit: One must sow good seed in order for good to reap.

Hosea 10:12

Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

Edited by luv2increase, 26 November 2008 - 12:42 AM.

[brokenportal]

It concerns, not so much as angers me, because spreading lies and falsehoods, whether unintentional or not, is harmful and can be detrimental to figuring out the truth. That should go with out saying, but apparently it doesnt. I think there are a list of certain reasons to want to be alive,

To know:
- the nature of infinity
- if there is a god, gods, no god, or something else
- how we got here
- how the universe got here
- what all else is out there like hover ability, light speed, aliens, populated galaxies, dimensions or whatever there may be.
- to know the all forms and extents of all pleasures current and undiscovered.
- to fulfill all goals that time brings you to want, resteraunt owner, pro football, climbing mountains etc..
- universal elimination of fallacy (which causes a bunch of things, philosophy to work its self out, the best good for all etc..)

That list is under debate but that is the jist of it. The way we answer your questions there is through an honest pursuit of life and life extension. People that are busy claiming that there are magical beings in another dimension waiting to bring us to an eternal utopia are tricking themselves and people that could other wise be helping us pursue the very crucial and critical truths of existence and the universe.

Notice the words I've highlighted; you contradict yourself. How can you say for sure that something is a lie when it is still under debate? Hmmm...

You cannot say for certain there is no Creator. You would rather believe the whole universe started from something the size of a golf ball as we know it. I'd say that is more magical than anything else. Who is the mystic here, you all or me?

The part thats under debate is whether or not some of those options should be lumped into one. How is not being sure about that a lie or a contradiction?

We are working to continuously move toward the truth, where as you unconsciously work to bury us all in lies and falsehoods, literally. We need you to admit, that you can not tell for sure whether or not there is a god, gods, no god or something else, and then help us extend our lives so we can continue to work toward the truth, maybe even discovering that there is a god. We dont discount it, we just arent going to base whether or not we do on an aribitrary book full of contradictions that touts exterminating whole groups of people for the acts of a few, thats been subject to revision at the hands of scribes and people who would wish to bend its words to their wills over the hundreds and hundreds of years, that fits perfectly with what would and should be made up in a lawless world with out the internet, tvs, telephones, cars and all the latest gadgets to help keep things in order. Not to mention, what should and would be made up in the face of horrific impending death.

We could use every trick that your using to try to get us to beleive on god, on kids, and use them to get them to beleive in santa in the same way. "but santa says, those are foolish who question his ways," "but santa says those who speak vain of his name shall perish".

[Moonbeam]

This is a good thread but a bit silly. Neither side can prove their argument, both are taking it on "faith".

No, people who rely on evidence for their opinions are not taking things on "faith". Look up the definition of the word.

I think an even grander question is this:

If we are products of evolution, and have evolved from lower life forms to our current state all the time subject to the harsh realities of the physical world and it's uncaring and unyeilding laws of nature, how did we ever create the notion of a God in the first place? And once we as a species did this, how did we come to attribute him, or it, or she, to be a good, loving and merciful God whose divine laws scream opposite to our own very natural instincts and yet are desirable to follow and strive for?

So, it follows that everything that people have ever made up is true. Where else could we have gotten the idea of elves and fairies and Thor and Flying Spaghetti Monster? They must be true!

(You obviously haven't read the bible, if you believe in a loving and merciful god, and laws that are desirable. But you didn't specify, that's true, so I shouldn't assume which of the tens of thousands of gods that you believe in.)

I see nothing in nature, or in evolution that could explain where we got the notion of the divine and morality.

Oh yea...if you don't see it, it must not be there. I forgot, you see and understand everything. (Suggested reading: The God Delusion).

Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

Lol.

Edited by Moonbeam, 26 November 2008 - 03:28 AM.

[luv2increase]

This is a good thread but a bit silly. Neither side can prove their argument, both are taking it on "faith".

No, people who rely on evidence for their opinions are not taking things on "faith". Look up the definition of the word.

I think an even grander question is this:

If we are products of evolution, and have evolved from lower life forms to our current state all the time subject to the harsh realities of the physical world and it's uncaring and unyeilding laws of nature, how did we ever create the notion of a God in the first place? And once we as a species did this, how did we come to attribute him, or it, or she, to be a good, loving and merciful God whose divine laws scream opposite to our own very natural instincts and yet are desirable to follow and strive for?

So, it follows that everything that people have ever made up is true. Where else could we have gotten the idea of elves and fairies and Thor and Flying Spaghetti Monster? They must be true!

(You obviously haven't read the bible, if you believe in a loving and merciful god, and laws that are desirable. But you didn't specify, that's true, so I shouldn't assume which of the tens of thousands of gods that you believe in.)

I see nothing in nature, or in evolution that could explain where we got the notion of the divine and morality.

Oh yea...if you don't see it, it must not be there. I forgot, you see and understand everything. (Suggested reading: The God Delusion).

Isaiah 53:1 KJV
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?



Matthew 11:24-30 KJV

24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

[brokenportal]

I suppose we all arent completely blameless when it comes to bordering on getting offensive, I just mean to find a spirited discussion here to excercise my intelligence and try to hone it in.

This though I find to be the most insulting of them all, to post random things as though it makes any difference. Its like trying to negotiate a peace deal and then when they say, "but your tactics are unfair and cause terror in the world," and then the other person just quotes some random stuff like,

"I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging of the future but by the past."

"My will shall shape the future. Whether I fail or succeed shall be no man's doing but my own. I am the force; I can clear any obstacle before me or I can be lost in the maze. My choice; my responsibility; win or lose, only I hold the key to my destiny."

"In times of change, learners inherit the Earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists."

"The future has a way of arriving unannounced."

"When a scientist is ahead of his times, it is often through misunderstanding of current, rather than intuition of future truth. In science there is never any error so gross that it won't one day, from some perspective, appear prophetic."

"Education, therefore, is a process of living and not a preparation for future living."


Thanks for keeping the discussion going in a spirited rather than straight up offensive way though. I think it takes an open mind to argue in what appears to be circles with out closing the door. Ive always found that what appears to be going in circles usually winds up being a slow upward spiral and Ill take slow progress over stagnacy any day.

[thughes]

It isn't as if our God is an unjust God for he clearly warns his children what the reprocutions are for not believing in Him and abiding by His Word. If He would have never given instruction, then yes it would be odd, but our God is a wonderful God who deserves all glory for ever and ever.

Nonsense. Surely it has not escaped your notice that most people live and die in the religion they are born in. Your purported God's warnings are evidently not "clear", else this would not be the case. I suspect it would help to put them in a book that was less ambiguous and more ethical (got to love the prevalence of animal and human sacrifices, and genocides).

If you were born in your religion, its worth asking yourself honestly if thats a good enough reason to believe it. If not, its worth asking yourself what it is about the Bible that makes you think its divine. Don't just read the good stuff and ignore the bad.

- Tracy

[luv2increase]

Ill take slow progress over stagnacy any day.

Amen.

[luv2increase]

It isn't as if our God is an unjust God for he clearly warns his children what the reprocutions are for not believing in Him and abiding by His Word. If He would have never given instruction, then yes it would be odd, but our God is a wonderful God who deserves all glory for ever and ever.

Nonsense. Surely it has not escaped your notice that most people live and die in the religion they are born in. Your purported God's warnings are evidently not "clear", else this would not be the case. I suspect it would help to put them in a book that was less ambiguous and more ethical (got to love the prevalence of animal and human sacrifices, and genocides).

If you were born in your religion, its worth asking yourself honestly if thats a good enough reason to believe it. If not, its worth asking yourself what it is about the Bible that makes you think its divine. Don't just read the good stuff and ignore the bad.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


The great majority will NOT go to Heaven. This bothers many people, most notably humanistic thinkers. One must always remember that life isn't always fair, and that God gives life eternal to those who follow Him. It isn't as if you do not have a choice. There are many warnings in His Word; it is up to you to heed to them. Will you?

[suspire]

It isn't as if our God is an unjust God for he clearly warns his children what the reprocutions are for not believing in Him and abiding by His Word. If He would have never given instruction, then yes it would be odd, but our God is a wonderful God who deserves all glory for ever and ever.

Nonsense. Surely it has not escaped your notice that most people live and die in the religion they are born in. Your purported God's warnings are evidently not "clear", else this would not be the case. I suspect it would help to put them in a book that was less ambiguous and more ethical (got to love the prevalence of animal and human sacrifices, and genocides).

If you were born in your religion, its worth asking yourself honestly if thats a good enough reason to believe it. If not, its worth asking yourself what it is about the Bible that makes you think its divine. Don't just read the good stuff and ignore the bad.

- Tracy

Yeah, one of my many problems with Christianity as a philosophy, much less a religion. One of the key tenets is to make sure you worship God. Doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot if you live a life of a saint, give back to humanity, serve your fellow man selflessly--don't believe in Jesus Christ ladadee dada da da, you're going to hell. On the flip side, you can say all sorts of outrageously offensive things (as many of the Christians on these forums do), not give much in the way to humanity, don't do much in the way of charity, etc, etc, but if you accept Jesus as your savior and make sure you don't major sins, and ask for forgiveness, blah, blah, blah, you have a good shot of going to heaven.

So God, insecure much? Can't say I've met a more petty, jealous deity floating around. He sounds more like the leader of a Junior High clique than an almighty power (Whaaa, I need to be the most popular guy in class or I am gonna pick on you and make you sit in the corner with all the other losers! Whaaa!). Or maybe the mafia: Don't own up to the big boss and you're dead!

And yes, it is clear that religion is a product of tradition and brainwashing. And fear with a little neediness, a little desire to be given instruction, to be given structure. People are sheep--they need to be told what to do and they need their safety blankets.

People are born into their individual faiths and for the most part die in their individuals faiths. It is a tribal thing, a curiosity turned abomination that has, unfortunately, dominated way too much of human history. I hope, eventually, it will go the way of the dodo.

The irony of all this? I've met more atheists live in a "Christ-like manner" than I have Christians: Christians, from all I've seen in society and online, are less "Christ-like" and more "bully-like".

Edited by suspire, 27 November 2008 - 01:48 AM.

[luv2increase]

Doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot if you live a life of a saint, give back to humanity, serve your fellow man selflessly--don't believe in Jesus Christ ladadee dada da da, you're going to hell.

You are correct.


John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." and also Luke 13:3, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



Here is the verse directly related to what you have said, suspire:

Ephesians 2:8-9
8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

[brokenportal]

So, how are the quotes you quote, different in their quality as evidence for your arguement than any random quotes?

[luv2increase]

So, how are the quotes you quote, different in their quality as evidence for your arguement than any random quotes?

They were in reply to the statement "you're going to hell" which suspire made.



Happy Thanksgiving to all!

[Moonbeam]

Luv, how would you answer the questions that were sent to Dr. Laura?

QUOTE:

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

• When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
• I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
• I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
• Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
• I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
• A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
• Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
• Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
• I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
• My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread. (cotton/polyester blend) He also tends to curse and blaspheme alot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

[luv2increase]

Luv, how would you answer the questions that were sent to Dr. Laura?

QUOTE:

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

• When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
• I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
• I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
• Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
• I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
• A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
• Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
• Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
• I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
• My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread. (cotton/polyester blend) He also tends to curse and blaspheme alot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

If you would like to start a new thread, that would be fine. I suggest you read the opening post for this thread again. You may have missed it. Things have been getting a little off-topic, and I have been answering everyone's off-topic questions to the best of my abilities.


As for your post, moonbeam, you or whoever wrote the above, if you would read the verses before and after, you would see that every one of them are taken out of context. God's word never changes, but things are done differently today than from what they were "back in the day". What you consider to be wrong today was not wrong long ago.

If you were to read the actual verses instead of writing end-of-story conclusions to them as if they were accurate, that would surely change your mind.

God Bless!

[platypus]

But seriously, you think it's ok to worship a great Saddam Hussein in the sky? The plan of killing & torturing billions surely is the most evil scheme in the history of the world.

“We are satisfied that there can be but little liberty on earth while men worship a tyrant in heaven.” - R. Ingersoll

[Moonbeam]

If you would like to start a new thread, that would be fine. I suggest you read the opening post for this thread again. You may have missed it. Things have been getting a little off-topic, and I have been answering everyone's off-topic questions to the best of my abilities.

I know, Luv, you've been doing this practically all by yourself. This forum doesn't seem to have a lot of people jumping in to help on your side, like some places do.

Maybe a mod would start a new thread. Wait, the name of this is "The Grand Question"; what's wrong with here?

As for your post, moonbeam, you or whoever wrote the above, if you would read the verses before and after, you would see that every one of them are taken out of context.

That's always the answer--when things are obviously completely ridiculous, they are "taken out of context". When you want to use them to support a postion, however, they're just fine as they are. Why is that?

God's word never changes, but things are done differently today than from what they were "back in the day". What you consider to be wrong today was not wrong long ago.

What do you mean, "what I consider to be wrong"? God said slavery is OK! Who are we to say it's not? Really, Luv, I don't know if God would like you second guessing him like that.

Of course God's word never changes, it was made up and written thousands of years ago, how could it possibly change?

If you were to read the actual verses instead of writing end-of-story conclusions to them as if they were accurate, that would surely change your mind.

Surely not, you mean. You've been quoting scripture all over this forum for a couple weeks (verses taken out of context, I might add) and they haven't done a thing for me.

[luv2increase]

I might add) and they haven't done a thing for me.

Maybe they will in the future when your insecurity becomes too much of an issue?

[brokenportal]

I might add) and they haven't done a thing for me.

Maybe they will in the future when your insecurity becomes too much of an issue?

Or maybe ours will for you when your ad hominem becomes to much to bare for your cognitive dissonance.

[luv2increase]

I might add) and they haven't done a thing for me.

Maybe they will in the future when your insecurity becomes too much of an issue?

Or maybe ours will for you when your ad hominem becomes to much to bare for your cognitive dissonance.

It was not ad-hominem. It is that I remember when I didn't want to be religious or go to church or anything; it was because I was afraid of what other people would think, and all my friends were anything but Christians. We were a bunch of druggies, unfortunately. When I saw the light and began to only care of what God thought of me, that is when I changed for the better. Granted, I do still have some issues that are not Christlike, but I am getting over them day by day by the grace of our Lord.

[Moonbeam]

I might add) and they haven't done a thing for me.

Maybe they will in the future when your insecurity becomes too much of an issue?

No. I understand, however, why you cannot respond to the real questions I put forth, and would rather change the subject.

[brokenportal]

Could you guys do me a favor and respond to some of the topics in this topic: http://www.imminst.o...o...c=26040&hl=

Im just coming here to discuss this so much because I quickly run out of active topics to flex my appetite for intellectual discussion every where else in the forums. I like this topic and all but we are arguing about who should carry the eggs to the house while the weasel is making off with them.

[Moonbeam]

OK, I will look at those and try to contribute.

[thughes]

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The great majority will NOT go to Heaven. This bothers many people, most notably humanistic thinkers.

Doesn't bother me at all, I just take it as standing proof that Christianity (and similar religions) are false. This is nothing more than an attempt to propagate religion through fear.

As I said, its insane to think you will get some special reward for believing the right set of ancient writings.

In regards to your quote about humanistic thinkers, don't you think its sad that people are more ethical than your own holy book? If nothing else, that should make you stop and think. What's ethical about demanding belief in the right set of unprovable propositions to get some sort of eternal reward? Ridiculous. People could think that way, as its a nice way to feed our baser instincts: the need to be special, to feel we are part of the in group. Its also a nice way to propagate a religion by fear. God, if he exists, will be very far above that.

- Tracy

[william7]

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

If you have a good understanding of the New Testament, many of the statutes contained in the Old Testament are not a problem. For instance, because the Romans in 70 CE destroyed the Temple containing the altar where the animal sacrifices were required by law to be made, no sacrifices can legally be made today that Yahweh will accept. No Temple, no altar, no sacrifices can be made. We also know from a reading of Hebrews 10:1-18 that Yahshua (Jesus Christ) made the final sacrifice for sin bringing the sacrificial system to an end.

[william7]

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The great majority will NOT go to Heaven. This bothers many people, most notably humanistic thinkers.

I think this was meant to apply for the people of Yahshua's day when He walked the earth in the flesh. The vast majority ignored Him. The early Church was small and severely persecuted. However, compare Matthew 7:14 with Revelation 7:9-17. Notice there is a great multitude that come out of the great tribulation and finally find that narrow way and walk it.

[brokenportal]

Now Im not saying that schizophrenics did or strictly did write the bible, but what would you expect millenias of pretty unrestricted schizophrenics to come up with? Would you expect them to write the bible?

If we could find a tribe of people that havent been using technology and arent very educated to the wealth of knowledge floating around the world, and we taught them how to use a computer program like microsoft word, then how long do you think it would take them, especially their schizophrenic people, to come up with another version of the bible? Ide give it 6 months.

Edited by brokenportal, 05 December 2008 - 01:23 AM.

[thughes]

If you have a good understanding of the New Testament, many of the statutes contained in the Old Testament are not a problem. For instance, because the Romans in 70 CE destroyed the Temple containing the altar where the animal sacrifices were required by law to be made, no sacrifices can legally be made today that Yahweh will accept. No Temple, no altar, no sacrifices can be made.

I'd be interested in hearing why you think it was ever moral/ethical to behave in the ways set out in the laws of the OT? Saying that we don't have to do it anymore is a bit of a copout.

So, why was it ever ok to require animal or human sacrifices as mentioned in the OT? Why was it ever ok to sell your children into slavery? What about the stranger laws such as garment laws that require death penalties... such as all the weird laws dealt with in that joke post above... such as killing your children for minor infractions... seriously. Doesn't this ever strike you as just a wee bit over the top?

- Tracy