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[eternaltraveler]

The Imminst administered Paypal account for William is orights.cryonics.cancer.fund@gmail.com

You can donate to this primarily for William's supplement needs, however you can specify if you want it to go toward a cryonic suspension. William uses this money as needed for different supplements and treatment options.

I thought the cryonics account was passed up on Caliban's objections (with my support in agreeing that it was a dulicate effort) and just the pay-pal account for vitamins was voted in?

there was a vote, and it passed over any objections in the interest of expediency. However i don't think it was used because you're right. It's redundant, as any money that came in for that purpose was too be forwarded to the venturist fund in anycase.

Bill did you sign those documents Mike Perry needed?

[Dmitri]

Good lord that sounds terrible, so even if he survives there's a risk he'll be disabled?

As for the doctor's concern over complications, wouldn't signing a consent form resolve his fear? There are plenty of hospitals/doctors who use experimental treatments when conventional therapies fail; those doctors explain the risks and make patients sign a form if they agree. His doctor is likely one of those traditionalists who stick to conventional methods no matter what.

Hi Dmitiri,
If he survives he won't be diabled, he'll be ALIVE!
As for his doctor, I think it has a lot more to do with his ego than anything else. He seems to
have a god complex.

I said disabled because some member here mentioned the tumors were eating bill's bones. As for the doctor, was chemo and radiation the only treatments he approved of? Does the doctor even reject interferon therapy? I read that interferon is a man-made protein that stimulates the immune system to attack infected, damaged, and cancerous cells as well as tumors. I don't recall bill ever mentioning this as a treatment.

It appears that the doctor believes in chemo and only chemo. That's the program. He owns his own chemotherapy center and the bottom
line is more chemo means more money. It's really that simple. Not a good guy and a total egomaniac. He won't even hear of any other
protocols. I know it sounds unbelievable, but it happens more often than you think.
Bill's between a rock and a hard place. He needs to have a primary doctor so that he can get into the hospital when he has to, and
no other doctor will take him as a patient once his primary doctor talks to them. He's a powerful man in that medical community and wields that power effectively. Actually, I think what he is doing is criminal (as in murder) and he should be sued for it, but right now,
all that matters is trying to get Bill an outside nurse or paramed to help him at home with the IV's. He can't fight the doctor head on...How could he?
He doesn't have family (or the money) to help him fight and he's too sick to do it himself. He's stuck with him.

That’s truly disgusting, I thought those days were over in the scientific community; I wish I could do more to help but I’m merely a college student.

[thefirstimmortal]

Bill, get that Kurt Russell (oops, Ebrahim) to give you
an infusion of zoledronate immediately. I've posted on
it in the "Conversations" section.

http://www.zometa.com/

http://www.us.zometa.../lung_other.jsp

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


http://www.poz.com/a...761_15747.shtml

http://www.cacons.or...ation/edu06.htm

http://my.clevelandc...oledronate.aspx


Failing that, the other bisphosphonates - pamidronate,
risedronate, ibandronate and alendronate may be used.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum


In cancer patients refractory to both bisphosphonates
and calcitonin, anti-parathyroid hormone related-protein
monoclonal antibodies (anti-PTHrP mAB) are effective.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

Read through all of these links. Zoledronate and several of the other names were on my old lists. I didn't do much follow up on those, but than again, pain wasn't the top problem back then when I was compiling that data. Thanks for the research Tham.

Edited by thefirstimmortal, 19 December 2008 - 02:04 AM.

[thefirstimmortal]

William can you get home where you could effectively do what you want? Then you could travel to other doctors like possibly the homeopath (here in Austin some of them do IV vitamin therapy), or find someone that will come to your home. I'm just wondering that if your Doctor is unwilling to work with you on radical treatments, can you switch to a different doctor while you are in the hospital?

Actually Shannon, I was in the middle of trying to switch and couldn't get that deal done. I couldn't get the new doc as a primary before my health tanked. If I could have done the MRI's at Goodall that day, I might have pulled that one off, but that's not what happened, so I gotta deal with the world the way it is, not the way I want it to be.

[thefirstimmortal]

Bill, you seem to turn down all our suggestions.

Obstacle after obstacle .....

My program and protocol is full of things that other people brought to my attention and researched. We have debated many pro's and con's and I have geenlighted many things over the last many Months. Even some of the current suggestions, I didn't turn down. For example, I just asked the our friend in Indiana, how is this going to work, and we found that it wasn't going to.

[thefirstimmortal]

The Imminst administered Paypal account for William is orights.cryonics.cancer.fund@gmail.com

You can donate to this primarily for William's supplement needs, however you can specify if you want it to go toward a cryonic suspension. William uses this money as needed for different supplements and treatment options.

I thought the cryonics account was passed up on Caliban's objections (with my support in agreeing that it was a dulicate effort) and just the pay-pal account for vitamins was voted in?

there was a vote, and it passed over any objections in the interest of expediency. However i don't think it was used because you're right. It's redundant, as any money that came in for that purpose was too be forwarded to the venturist fund in anycase.

Bill did you sign those documents Mike Perry needed?

I'm not going to be able to comment on that until I get in front of my own computer.

[Shannon Vyff]

William, no need to comment, please advice privately or here what number will be best for Mike Perry or I to reach you at tomorrow? Thank you, and we have good news--Shannon

[thefirstimmortal]

William, no need to comment, please advice privately or here what number will be best for Mike Perry or I to reach you at tomorrow? Thank you, and we have good news--Shannon

I have a post that has already been written that addresses the issue, and as soon as I get to my computer I will post it. If you think you have some good news, feel free to post it if you can.

[tham]

Yvonne Turner, I know her personally. Her son is one
of my friends, since grade school. I visited her this past summer,
her interest are in the herb remedies only.

Then try the herbal remedies. Consult her, and ask if
they are homeopathic. If not, we can always search
for a practising experienced homeopath near your home.

Homeopathy can be tried as an adjuvant to your chemo
as well, of course.


Many homeopathic remedies are potentized from herbs,
such as Nux vomica (poison nut, strychine tree) - in fact,
any herb, mineral or trace element can be potentized.

I was taking homeopathic Arnica montana (leopard's bane)
ordered from the US, after an I & D (incision and drainage)
surgery for a cellulitis abscess in December 2004.

My opinion is, if you had been treated with homeopathy
right from the start, before any chemo, you might well be
on your way to recovery, or at least under control by now,
and certainly without any of the debiltating side effects.

However, chemo has already knocked down your vital force so
much, that homeopathy would have a hard time activating it
back now, but it can still be done.

http://www.homeoint..../vitalforce.htm

http://www.hpathy.co...vital-force.asp

http://www.innerself..._homeopathy.htm

http://homepage.ntlw...avidlittle.html


Unfortunately, some people (many, in fact) still think of
homeopathy as "nonsense" or "pseudoscience", while they
accept chemotherapy as "science". How the logical mind finds
that kind of reasoning rationale, really boggles me.

They include, to my surprise, a young local Malaysian Chinese
girl (named Yvonne too) whom I have come to know recently
over the net, and who has the difficult genetic disease,
neurofibromatosis 2 (NF2), in which you grow tumors all over
your neurological system, especially your brain. She has just
returned from LA after surgery for no less than three tumors
in her brain.

I requested distant healing for her (Reiki, spiritual healing, etc)
from the DHN and I believe it has helped her - she recovered
from the surgery amazingly fast, up and walking about by the
second or third day. At last count, there were four experienced
healers worldwide, including an Indian computer science student
at Buffalo University, sending healing to her. Will be making a
repeat request for her again tonight.

Years ago, one of my sister's friends had nasopharyngeal cancer.
He underwent standard chemo, while I took him to an experienced
homeopath. He was actually doing very well and beating the
cancer. Unfortunately, someone told him that homeopathy was
"hocus pocus". He stopped going to the homeopath, but carried
on with the chemo. The tumor invaded his brain, and he was
dead in a couple of months.


If I had cancer, the last thing I would want in my bloodstream
is something like World War I poison gas (mechlorethamine,
lomustine, carmustine, cyclophosphamide, ifosfamide, CCNU,
BCNU, etc ). If I was given just ONE treatment option, I'd hedge
my bets on homeopathy anytime, anyplace.

KIng Hussein of Jordan, who had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,
went to the Mayo Clinic for several chemotherapy protocols,
full of confidence that he was getting state-of-the-art medical
care. It wiped out his bone marrow and he went thru a marrow
transplant. Shortly after coming home, he suffered a relapse,
went back again for more chemo, wiping out his marrow further.
He didn't survive the second transplant.

One of the regimens he was given was likely the standard CHOP
- cyclophosphamide, doxorubicin, vincristine, prednisolone.

Edited by tham, 19 December 2008 - 11:29 AM.

[Mike Perry]

[...]

Unfortunately, some people (many, in fact) still think of
homeopathy as "nonsense" or "pseudoscience", while they
accept chemotherapy as "science". How the logical mind finds
that kind of reasoning rationale, really boggles me.

I am one of those who thinks that homeopathy, in and of itself, is worthless nonsense. (You've heard of the joke about the guy who forgot to take his homeopathic medicine and died of an overdose?) People who use it may get better, but if so it's a placebo effect only. Placebo effects can be powerful, of course, but should be recognized for what they are.

A website that expresses what I think is a valid scientific viewpoint on homeopathy is:

http://www.quackwatc...pics/homeo.html

To William: we in cryonics want very much to help you if and when our kind of help will be needed. We are trying but may not be able to raise sufficient funds for the type of arrangement you now have. We need some input from you on what to do if that one arrangement cannot be paid for from what we have. Help us. I should be contacting you soon but please feel free to post here on where you are coming from on this issue.

Mike Perry

[eternaltraveler]

If I was given just ONE treatment option, I'd hedge
my bets on homeopathy anytime, anyplace.

this is not the place to try to sell ridiculous crackpot ideologies based on fantasy and magic. Thats not to say that Bill shouldn't be able to try whatever he wants, but at least he would base what he tried on science (IV vit C is not equal to homeopathy, nor is anything else he wants to try).

At best homeopathic "medicines" are placebos we can prescribe when the patient is whining to be prescribed antibiotics for a viral illness ("here, why don't you try a few drops of this highly purified water with a fancy label instead... in a few days you'll feel better")

[missminni]

If I was given just ONE treatment option, I'd hedge
my bets on homeopathy anytime, anyplace.

this is not the place to try to sell ridiculous crackpot ideologies based on fantasy and magic. Thats not to say that Bill shouldn't be able to try whatever he wants, but at least he would base what he tried on science (IV vit C is not equal to homeopathy, nor is anything else he wants to try).

At best homeopathic "medicines" are placebos we can prescribe when the patient is whining to be prescribed antibiotics for a viral illness ("here, why don't you try a few drops of this highly purified water with a fancy label instead... in a few days you'll feel better")

Not that I am into homeopathy, because I'm not. But to dismiss it as crackpot is foolish. Isn't the smallpox vaccine
based on homeopathic theory? A hair of the dog so to speak. There are some other vaccines that are based on the same theory. A little bit
of the disease encourages antibodies to fight it.

[FunkOdyssey]

Vaccines have detectable levels of antigens (obviously, or they would not work). Homeopathy uses toxins that have been diluted to the point that not even one molecule of the original substance can be detected. When confronted with that information, some proponents claim "water memory" is responsible then for the beneficial effects -- apparently the water retains some "information" imparted by the toxin and then transfers that to the body.

Vaccines rely on science, homeopathy on mysticism.

[missminni]

Vaccines have detectable levels of antigens (obviously, or they would not work). Homeopathy uses toxins that have been diluted to the point that not even one molecule of the original substance can be detected. When confronted with that information, some proponents claim "water memory" is responsible then for the beneficial effects -- apparently the water retains some "information" imparted by the toxin and then transfers that to the body.

Vaccines rely on science, homeopathy on mysticism.

I don't know enough about homeopathy to argue the case point by point with you, but your last sentence -
Vaccines rely on science, homeopathy on mysticism - reminds me of Arthur Clarke's Third Law.

Clarke's First Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

Clarke's Second Law: The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
o "Hazards of Prophecy: The Failure of Imagination" in Profiles of the Future (1962)

Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
o Profiles of the Future (revised edition, 1973)

Clarke's Law of Revolutionary Ideas: Every revolutionary idea — in science, politics, art, or whatever — seems to evoke three stages of reaction. They may be summed up by the phrases:

(1) "It's completely impossible — don't waste my time";
(2) "It's possible, but it's not worth doing";
(3) "I said it was a good idea all along."

[eternaltraveler]

homeopathy is not new and revolutionary. It is old, and has failed.

However the quote by Clarke does fit if you take it literally (not the way he intended). Homeopathy is indistinguishable from magic because neither works.

edit: if this line of discussion goes much further I'll split it off into it's own thread. We should probably try to keep this thread focused on Bill (unless of course he wants it to stay here).

Edited by elrond, 19 December 2008 - 09:09 PM.

[eternaltraveler]

i'm not opposed to the idea of iv vit C. The chances might not be that high, but there are a few positive case reports, though I couldn't find any specifically relating to small cell carcinoma.

[bgwowk]

Not that I am into homeopathy, because I'm not. But to dismiss it as crackpot is foolish.

Homeopathy is foolish because its premise violates known laws of physics. Water molecules do not store "memory" of what used to be in the water.

People who die after getting chemotherapy are not evidence against chemotherapy anymore than people who die in emergency rooms after car crashes are evidence against emergency care after car crashes. Chemotherapy works by known mechanisms, is empirically demonstrated to work in large numbers of people in controlled scientific studies, and sometimes even cures people. Unfortunately for most cancers it's just not good enough.

Most people with advanced non-lymphoma solid tumors would not consider chemotherapy worth the side effects. However if William had taken a homeopathic medicine (aka pure water) instead of chemotherapy earlier this year, he would no longer be alive.

[Zenob]

If I was given just ONE treatment option, I'd hedge
my bets on homeopathy anytime, anyplace.

this is not the place to try to sell ridiculous crackpot ideologies based on fantasy and magic. Thats not to say that Bill shouldn't be able to try whatever he wants, but at least he would base what he tried on science (IV vit C is not equal to homeopathy, nor is anything else he wants to try).

At best homeopathic "medicines" are placebos we can prescribe when the patient is whining to be prescribed antibiotics for a viral illness ("here, why don't you try a few drops of this highly purified water with a fancy label instead... in a few days you'll feel better")

Not that I am into homeopathy, because I'm not. But to dismiss it as crackpot is foolish. Isn't the smallpox vaccine
based on homeopathic theory? A hair of the dog so to speak. There are some other vaccines that are based on the same theory. A little bit
of the disease encourages antibodies to fight it.

No, homeopathy IS nothing but pseudoscience. For one thing it's based on the medieval idea that "like cures like" and not on science. So in other words if someone is dying from poison they should be cured by giving them MORE poison. The problem with this should be pretty obvious. So to get around it the quacks of the day decided they would just dilute their snake oil down to avoid killing their patients. This then went to crazy extremes to the point where there isn't a single molecule of the original substance left. All homeopathic "medicines" are literally either water or alcohol(whatever they were using as a substrate). That's it. Add to that the fact that there have been numerous studies of homeopathy that clearly show it does nothing. When something has no viable way of working in the first place AND has been shown to not work, then when someone STILL insists that it does work, you are perfectly justified in calling them a crackpot. That's what homeopaths are, crackpots.

And no, vaccines are not based on this. Vaccines are based on the germ theory of disease, not the medieval idea of "like cures like".

Here's a link to something that is to most homeopaths what silver is to a werewolf: Link

[missminni]

homeopathy is not new and revolutionary. It is old, and has failed.

I never said it was new or revolutionary. I was just referencing the third law.

However the quote by Clarke does fit if you take it literally (not the way he intended). Homeopathy is indistinguishable from magic because neither works.
That it doesn't work is your conclusion, which actually totally proves his point.

edit: if this line of discussion goes much further I'll split it off into it's own thread. We should probably try to keep this thread focused on Bill (unless of course he wants it to stay here).
don't bother splitting it. I have no desire to continue the discussion.

[missminni]

i'm not opposed to the idea of iv vit C. The chances might not be that high, but there are a few positive case reports, though I couldn't find any specifically relating to small cell carcinoma.

I think the reason Bill wanted to use it was because it would help with the pain from the bone cancer.
He's got that too.

Edited by missminni, 19 December 2008 - 10:32 PM.

[Shannon Vyff]

I think this argument started because a homeopathy treatment facility was posted, and they will often give vitamin injections or IV vitamin treatment--which could help. Although the debate over homeopathy is something many would find interesting, it deserves to be in a different thread--this thread is for updates on O'Rights and a place for people to help him.

Is anyone able to go to where he is (Portland Maine) and help him get paperwork signed?

[thefirstimmortal]

Yvonne Turner, I know her personally. Her son is one
of my friends, since grade school. I visited her this past summer,
her interest are in the herb remedies only.

Then try the herbal remedies. Consult her, and ask if
they are homeopathic. If not, we can always search
for a practising experienced homeopath near your home.

Homeopathy can be tried as an adjuvant to your chemo
as well, of course.


Many homeopathic remedies are potentized from herbs,
such as Nux vomica (poison nut, strychine tree) - in fact,
any herb, mineral or trace element can be potentized.

I was taking homeopathic Arnica montana (leopard's bane)
ordered from the US, after an I & D (incision and drainage)
surgery for a cellulitis abscess in December 2004.

My opinion is, if you had been treated with homeopathy
right from the start, before any chemo, you might well be
on your way to recovery, or at least under control by now,
and certainly without any of the debiltating side effects.

However, chemo has already knocked down your vital force so
much, that homeopathy would have a hard time activating it
back now, but it can still be done.

http://www.homeoint..../vitalforce.htm

http://www.hpathy.co...vital-force.asp

http://www.innerself..._homeopathy.htm

http://homepage.ntlw...avidlittle.html


Unfortunately, some people (many, in fact) still think of
homeopathy as "nonsense" or "pseudoscience", while they
accept chemotherapy as "science". How the logical mind finds
that kind of reasoning rationale, really boggles me.

They include, to my surprise, a young local Malaysian Chinese
girl (named Yvonne too) whom I have come to know recently
over the net, and who has the difficult genetic disease,
neurofibromatosis 2 (NF2), in which you grow tumors all over
your neurological system, especially your brain. She has just
returned from LA after surgery for no less than three tumors
in her brain.

I requested distant healing for her (Reiki, spiritual healing, etc)
from the DHN and I believe it has helped her - she recovered
from the surgery amazingly fast, up and walking about by the
second or third day. At last count, there were four experienced
healers worldwide, including an Indian computer science student
at Buffalo University, sending healing to her. Will be making a
repeat request for her again tonight.

Years ago, one of my sister's friends had nasopharyngeal cancer.
He underwent standard chemo, while I took him to an experienced
homeopath. He was actually doing very well and beating the
cancer. Unfortunately, someone told him that homeopathy was
"hocus pocus". He stopped going to the homeopath, but carried
on with the chemo. The tumor invaded his brain, and he was
dead in a couple of months.


If I had cancer, the last thing I would want in my bloodstream
is something like World War I poison gas (mechlorethamine,
lomustine, carmustine, cyclophosphamide, ifosfamide, CCNU,
BCNU, etc ). If I was given just ONE treatment option, I'd hedge
my bets on homeopathy anytime, anyplace.

KIng Hussein of Jordan, who had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma,
went to the Mayo Clinic for several chemotherapy protocols,
full of confidence that he was getting state-of-the-art medical
care. It wiped out his bone marrow and he went thru a marrow
transplant. Shortly after coming home, he suffered a relapse,
went back again for more chemo, wiping out his marrow further.
He didn't survive the second transplant.

One of the regimens he was given was likely the standard CHOP
- cyclophosphamide, doxorubicin, vincristine, prednisolone.

I'm not very knowlegable on homeopathy so I'm not going to knock it, but when it comes to adding something to my program, it must have some scientific basis or rationale for using it. I favor Alternative solutions but not to the eclusion of Conventional therapy. I believe if I could freely draw on both camps I would be an a far better position. I did like the info on Zometa, and Kurt oddly enough green lighted that, so they are going to start that treatment before I leave the hospital.

[thefirstimmortal]

[...]
I am one of those who thinks that homeopathy, in and of itself, is worthless nonsense. (You've heard of the joke about the guy who forgot to take his homeopathic medicine and died of an overdose?) People who use it may get better, but if so it's a placebo effect only. Placebo effects can be powerful, of course, but should be recognized for what they are.

A website that expresses what I think is a valid scientific viewpoint on homeopathy is:

http://www.quackwatc...pics/homeo.html

Wow Mike,
I don't know if quackwatch was the best one for you to pull out, you know what they had to say about cryonics don't you
http://www.quackwatc...A/cryonics.html

To William: we in cryonics want very much to help you if and when our kind of help will be needed. We are trying but may not be able to raise sufficient funds for the type of arrangement you now have. We need some input from you on what to do if that one arrangement cannot be paid for from what we have. Help us. I should be contacting you soon but please feel free to post here on where you are coming from on this issue.

Mike Perry

I will respond to the rest after the Pizer-Perry post.

[thefirstimmortal]

If I was given just ONE treatment option, I'd hedge
my bets on homeopathy anytime, anyplace.

this is not the place to try to sell ridiculous crackpot ideologies based on fantasy and magic. Thats not to say that Bill shouldn't be able to try whatever he wants, but at least he would base what he tried on science (IV vit C is not equal to homeopathy, nor is anything else he wants to try).

At best homeopathic "medicines" are placebos we can prescribe when the patient is whining to be prescribed antibiotics for a viral illness ("here, why don't you try a few drops of this highly purified water with a fancy label instead... in a few days you'll feel better")

I see no reason that Tham ideologies can't be thrown in the mix. As you noted, his ideas still have to win my support before I make a change, any substaance advocated must have some scientific reason to be added.

There is a real danger is suppressing speech Elrond, Tham did after all resurface a chemical that I dropped the ball on. Zometa, although I had that listed has 3 different forms of acid not under that name. I may not take everyones advice, I welcome it all. I trust I can sort the good from the bad, or at least the more promising from the least promising.

[thefirstimmortal]

homeopathy is not new and revolutionary. It is old, and has failed.

However the quote by Clarke does fit if you take it literally (not the way he intended). Homeopathy is indistinguishable from magic because neither works.

edit: if this line of discussion goes much further I'll split it off into it's own thread. We should probably try to keep this thread focused on Bill (unless of course he wants it to stay here).

This is Missminni's thread, I hold no say. I have a standing agreement that my personal threads were to be treated as Freespeech threads and moved over to the free speech area when that forum was fixed. My threads are not subject to censorship, this one is. Of course, if your asking me, I don't think it should be split, but I'm very narrow minded when it comes to free speech and expression.

[thefirstimmortal]

i'm not opposed to the idea of iv vit C. The chances might not be that high, but there are a few positive case reports, though I couldn't find any specifically relating to small cell carcinoma.

I'm not advocating that IVVC will be a cure, however, it has plenty of support as showing that it can increase the life expectancy 2 to 4 times. It has been shown to decrease pain, increase appetite andd shrink tumors. Look, if we can get 2 or 3 months out of that one weapon, that might be enough to get the fund raising complete. There are additional reasons to take it also. Very little downside.

Even in the area of tumor shrinkage, it's competing against a chemo drug combo that boasts of a 50% total failure rate, and a maximum upper srhink rate of a whopping 15%. I think we could do better.

[thefirstimmortal]

i'm not opposed to the idea of iv vit C. The chances might not be that high, but there are a few positive case reports, though I couldn't find any specifically relating to small cell carcinoma.

I think the reason Bill wanted to use it was because it would help with the pain from the bone cancer.
He's got that too.

There are multiple reasons to use IVVC, the first 3 most important, tumor shrinkage, pain relief and increase appetite. I would welcome gaining ground in any of these 3.

[thefirstimmortal]

I think this argument started because a homeopathy treatment facility was posted, and they will often give vitamin injections or IV vitamin treatment--which could help. Although the debate over homeopathy is something many would find interesting, it deserves to be in a different thread--this thread is for updates on O'Rights and a place for people to help him.

Is anyone able to go to where he is (Portland Maine) and help him get paperwork signed?

I do not need anyone to help me sign paperwork that I'm aware of. What paperwork would you be talking about Shannon, and what sort of help would I need for anyone?

[missminni]

I'm not very knowlegable on homeopathy so I'm not going to knock it, but when it comes to adding something to my program, it must have some scientific basis or rationale for using it. I favor Alternative solutions but not to the eclusion of Conventional therapy. I believe if I could freely draw on both camps I would be an a far better position. I did like the info on Zometa, and Kurt oddly enough green lighted that, so they are going to start that treatment before I leave the hospital.

That's good news. Maybe there are other treatments Tham has referenced that Kurt might approve of as well.
He posted a list of them recently...not sure which thread.

[thefirstimmortal]

I'm not very knowlegable on homeopathy so I'm not going to knock it, but when it comes to adding something to my program, it must have some scientific basis or rationale for using it. I favor Alternative solutions but not to the eclusion of Conventional therapy. I believe if I could freely draw on both camps I would be an a far better position. I did like the info on Zometa, and Kurt oddly enough green lighted that, so they are going to start that treatment before I leave the hospital.

That's good news. Maybe there are other treatments Tham has referenced that Kurt might approve of as well.
He posted a list of them recently...not sure which thread.

I've culled through the list. Zometa was the only clear cut winner, well, some of the others are variations of drugs in the same class that could be used in case Zometa leads to renal problems.