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[nasp]

I was about to start a similar thread.

I currently take 1000mg of ascorbyl palmitate. 500mg at lunch and 500mg before bed. I will replace the 500mg of acorbyl palmitate with 500mg L-ascorbic acid.

I believe everything should be done in moderation.The Ester C has benefits being fat soluble and the L-ascorbic has other benefits being water soluble.

[medievil]

How much vitamin C do you supplement, and why?

None
Sucks imo

[hippocampus]

Vitamin C helps reduce both the physical and psychological effects of stress on people.

does anybody know what effect does vitamin C have on brain?

[steampoweredgod]

Mammals synthesize multiple grams of C, even more when under diseased states, iirc, those that don't synthesize C can take multi gram doses from their diet, and this was said to be the case for our ancestors too.

There have been studies suggesting doses closer to 1 gram are more beneficial than doses closer to the RDA. One of the studies suggested 800mg compared to low dose C yields 6 years lifespan benefits.

The most significant report emanated in 1992 from UCLA, where it was announced that men who took 800 mg a day of vitamin C lived 6 years longer than those who consumed the FDA's recommended daily allowance of 60 mg a day. The study, which evaluated 11,348 participants over a 10-year period of time, showed that high vitamin C intake extended average lifespan and reduced mortality from cardiovascular disease by 42% (Enstrom et al. 1992).-lef

Linus Pauling took 3G daily and up to 18g when in states of disease, according to various sources. He lived 90+, while his parents both seem to have died before 50(NOTE: did his parents die in an accident(s)? due to disease? if not due to such, but natural causes, his lifespan would be pretty impressive, further and deeper biographical data is needed to clarify this.)

according to this article 100g (or a small apple) has the same antioxidant activity of 1,500mg of Vitamin C

We have to check activity in vivo, plant substances while they excel in vitro, appear to have less antioxidant activity in vivo. The body also tends to try and eliminate a lot of foreign. substances pretty fast(which is why I suspect things like protein cycling might be more potent with regards to mtor than probably any supplement.).

The Ester C has benefits being fat soluble and the L-ascorbic has other benefits being water soluble.

I've heard that true esters of vitamin c are fat soluble, but brand name ester-c is not the true ester but merely buffered vitamin c that's far less acidic and far easier to digest.

[idquest]

Is it true that vitamin C can increase oxalates in urine? I used to take 500 mg of C a day, urine test showed oxalates. I stopped taking C, nothing was reported in the lab test results for the oxalates.Could have been some other farctors involved but I have C under suspicion.

[majkinetor]

Almost everything you read up to this point is outdated.

For instance, its now well known that plasma saturation is achieved with 3g every 5 hours, so it does make sense to use so called "dynamic flow hypothesis".

I take 4-12g per day, mostly around 8 in previous 3 years. Pure powder or mixed with magnesium rich mineral water (like DonatMg).

I use near BT dosing for viral infections so in 2-3 times I was starting to get sick in those 3 years I ended up taking up to 120g, with the effect of ending the disease the next day each time.

[Logic]

Vitamin C Potent Anti-AGE
http://www.longecity...otent-anti-age/

[DorianGrey]

I wonder whether anyone here is also using other Ascorbic acid forms, like Magnesium Ascorbylphosphate?

I am not into megadosing, but most mammals have higher concentrations that what we'd get with the RDA, so I aim at 500mg per day. I have a tablet cutter and just use quarters several times during the day. My daily multivit also has Vitamine C and my diet alone would probably prevent getting scurvy.

[majkinetor]

Don't use tablets. Junk.

Use powder. Very fine ground powder (that is crucial, after agitation solution should be indistinguishable from water by look, or you might get stomach/esophagus burned somewhat).

Mineral versions are better, with Mg and Ca, although you don't need to supplement Ca in general case so that leaves Mg.

[Guardian4981]

I find taking C on its own tends to cause my blood sugar to dip too low. I occasionally use 500 mg of Camu Camu powder.

[moleface]

I take 5g of powder 2x a day. I started this when I was in a severe inflammatory state from undiagnosed celiac disease, and it helped a lot with that.

I also do a "vitamin C flush" 3-4 times a year, where I take C to "bowel tolerance" levels. When my celiac-related arthritis was at its worst, I could go up to an insane 80-90g of C before getting diarrhea. I was basing this in Linus Pauling's theories that the body's ability to take vitamin C without flushing it is proportionate to its current physiological need for the vitamin. I know that Pauling's theories are contested by the medical establishment, but they seem to have held true for me. I can't think of any other explanation for why I could tolerate such ridiculous amounts of the vitamin while also dealing with an illness that was putting hardcore physical stress on my body.

Edited by moleface, 13 May 2013 - 04:43 PM.

[majkinetor]

I find taking C on its own tends to cause my blood sugar to dip too low. I occasionally use 500 mg of Camu Camu powder.

Probably bad measurement or something like that. Its well known that C can be problematic with sugar measurements although AFAIK it gives higher values. Unless you have clinical sympthoms of hypoglicemia, your result are probably wrong.

. I know that Pauling's theories are contested by the medical establishment, but they seem to have held true for me. I can't think of any other explanation for why I could tolerate such ridiculous amounts of the vitamin while also dealing with an illness that was putting hardcore physical stress on my body.

That's not right, Pauling's theories were never actually tested. Those that pretend to be tests (for instance Moertel studies were not actually following the protocol he described and are worthless junk). BTW, vitamin C is well known to help celiac (for start see http://knowledgeofhe...-wrong-villain/)

Edited by majkinetor, 13 May 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[Guardian4981]

I find taking C on its own tends to cause my blood sugar to dip too low. I occasionally use 500 mg of Camu Camu powder.

Probably bad measurement or something like that. Its well known that C can be problematic with sugar measurements although AFAIK it gives higher values. Unless you have clinical sympthoms of hypoglicemia, your result are probably wrong.

I am not diabetc and don't measure my blood glucose regularly. But I do know if I take cinnamon or vitamin c I often will start getting anxious, light headed, sweaty, etc symptoms of hypoglycemia. My fasting levels tested were like 85 which is healthy but I find some supplements seem to induce mild hypoglycemia in me.

[majkinetor]

So its probably related to insulin signaling because both cinnamon and C optimize insulin release. It seems you have overcompensating pancreas. You could fix it by switching to low carb diet.

[Kevnzworld]

I take 500 mg of a buffered ascorbate, four times a day. 2000 mg total.
I supplement with C for general health purposes, and to help prevent endothelial dysfunction.
" Conclusions Vitamin C improves the endothelium-dependent vasomotor capacity of coronary arteries in patients with hypertension and patent coronary arteries"
http://circ.ahajourn...96/5/1513.short
"Conclusions—We conclude that an elevation in homocysteine concentration is associated with an acute impairment of vascular endothelial function that can be prevented by pretreatment with vitamin C in healthy subjects"
http://circ.ahajourn...9/1156.abstract
"acid prevents oxidant-induced increases in endothelial permeability"
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21328627

[majkinetor]

There are so many ways C helps cardiovascular system that I don't even know where to begin with. The hypotensive effect and eNOS inducing effects, and antioxidant effects are only few of them

[daouda]

How much vitamin C do you supplement, and why?

None
Sucks imo

Vit C "sucks"? Good luck with scorbut (scurvy) my friend...

Edited by daouda, 16 May 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[Luminosity]

I take around 1,000 --- 1,500 milligrams of Ester C or liposomes a day broken up into multiple doses. I take the Ester in a powder that I remove from a capsule and mix with liquid. It is without bioflavinoids, etc because I don't absorb the ones they use in supplements well. The liposomes are from Swansons. They are only available in caplets so I break pieces off to take a smaller amount at a time. I am just trying this now. Not aware of another brand of this yet. I used to take Camu Camu juice powder. I feel that megadosing on C just strains your body and isn't wise, for most people. C doesn't last more than 5 or 6 hours in your body so break up the doses and take it with C-containing foods for the co-factors. If your urine is turning bright yellow or neon green and and your urethra burns, that means you are taking too much. Too much of anything isn't good; even water can be a problem if you go too far. Listen to your body.

Edited by Luminosity, 16 May 2013 - 06:38 AM.

[majkinetor]

I feel that megadosing on C just strains your body and isn't wise, for most people. C doesn't last more than 5 or 6 hours in your body so break up the doses and take it with C-containing foods for the co-factors. If your urine is turning bright yellow or neon green and and your urethra burns, that means you are taking too much. Too much of anything isn't good; even water can be a problem if you go too far. Listen to your body.

Listen to your body ? Cmon, get serious. Smokers and heroin users also listen to the body.

C doesn't strain your body. C half life isn't 5-6 hours, half life depends on dose. Bioflavonoids do not necessarily boost absoprtion and AFAIK they even prevent absorption. "Too much of anything" is cultural phenomena not scientific one. Your urine doesn't become bright yellow because of C. Urethra doesn't burn because of vitamin C (but esophagus might).

All in all, one big disinformation, as per usual about vitamin C.

Edited by majkinetor, 16 May 2013 - 07:45 AM.

[RedCairo]

Well, I recently learned how to make homemade lipospheric vitamin C, and in a week it has dramatically affected my body, in some odd ways that gradually went away and in some awesome ways that meant I felt better daily, and felt better today than I have in literally years.

I started at about 5g/day in 3 doses and now am at about 15g/day in 5 doses. At this dose I'm getting very mild bowel effects.

Remember this is lipo though, the additional non-encapsulated portion for the digestive system like 'ordinary' C is <5g/day.

I suspect the (sunflower pressed) lecithin part of this is hugely helpful, now that I've read on that some, so there's more going on than the C.

I am nearly 48 years old, female, and have serious fatigue issues likely due to undiagnosed thyroid/adrenal. But this has made a huge difference in my body -- which has been happy to get far more exercise voluntarily the last week, and been strong enough to do all kinds of things and feel fine which normally I can't get myself psyched up for never mind barely suffer through when I do.

I've taken anywhere from 400mg to 3g/day of oral (both AA and buffered) C in the past. I never noticed any particular effects from it.

I read this book on C, and one of the early researchers in the 40s didn't want to give his small daughter a needle when she got (deadly) smallpox. He gave her 24g of C through the day and it didn't make a damn bit of difference. He gave her (finally) 1g via needle and she dramatically improved almost immediately. The book (curing the incurable, very interesting read) has a ton of research refs and basically lists how C has been shown, even in peer reviewed published research, to cure or at least reverse pretty much everything considered deadly. But it had huge pharma competition even in the 40s and was mostly beat into submission. By now docs are oblivious to it, since they're barely familiar with science of today never mind coming up on a century ago. Anyway, the one thing that is very clear is that you simply cannot get enough of it taken in the normal oral fashion to do much more than help you 'avoid' bad things and 'help' fight off colds. But the effects if you can get a lot of it into you, for long enough, are astounding. That book I mentioned is worth a read.

Anyway I never had body effects like I've had with my own lipoC, but the confounding factor is that lecithin is in there too and it has a long list of good things about it as well.