You don't think diets conducive to low DHT levels will help younger men as they get older? If so please explain.
Because lowering DHT can give you erectile difficulties, low libido, and neurological symptoms as you get older.
Posted 12 October 2009 - 04:24 PM
You don't think diets conducive to low DHT levels will help younger men as they get older? If so please explain.
Posted 12 October 2009 - 04:28 PM
You don't think diets conducive to low DHT levels will help younger men as they get older? If so please explain.
Because lowering DHT can give you erectile difficulties, low libido, and neurological symptoms as you get older.
Posted 12 October 2009 - 04:31 PM
They do? No doubt there can be side effects but will they worse with time? Assuming testosterone is not affected or maybe even increased by DHT lowering.You don't think diets conducive to low DHT levels will help younger men as they get older? If so please explain.
Because lowering DHT can give you erectile difficulties, low libido, and neurological symptoms as you get older.
Posted 12 October 2009 - 04:46 PM
We're talking about hair loss here. As long as you regulate testosterone while inhibiting DHT you should be okay.
Posted 12 October 2009 - 05:05 PM
We're talking about hair loss here. As long as you regulate testosterone while inhibiting DHT you should be okay.
DHT appears to have separate functions from testosterone in the body, most guys suffer at least mild side effects from sufficient suppression of DHT, and some guys experience permanent endocrine disruption, as you can see from propeciahelp.com. Also, DHT is a much stronger androgen than testosterone, so even assuming that you could compensate by increasing testosterone, you would have to increase testosterone a lot to make up for a little reduction in DHT. Furthermore, DHT inhibits the effects of estrogen, so you may have to take pills to regulate estrogen to compensate for reduction in DHT. Furthermore, 5AR, which is inhibited by drugs such as Saw Palmetto and finasteride, is not just involved in the testosterone-DHT pathway. It is also involved in several other hormonal pathways, which are all disrupted.
Posted 12 October 2009 - 05:11 PM
Edited by TheFountain, 12 October 2009 - 05:14 PM.
Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:27 PM
Edited by hamishm00, 15 October 2009 - 07:28 PM.
Posted 21 October 2009 - 02:33 PM
You're wrong on all accounts. I have seen guys who took a combination of natural DHT inhibitors go from having very thin hair to very thick hair. You obviously were already bald when you attempted your solutions. The key is to do it when you notice thinning. Prevention is the key not reversal.
I agree with you, Fountain, it's a slow battle and you have to rise to the challenge, take on board a daily anti-hairloss regimen and be consistent with its application. I've found that the slow decline in hair quality soon becomes a slow incline.
Posted 22 October 2009 - 03:53 PM
Ok, sorry if it came across that I was against treating baldness. I'm not, and it's something that I did fir a few years myself.
You're wrong on all accounts. I have seen guys who took a combination of natural DHT inhibitors go from having very thin hair to very thick hair. You obviously were already bald when you attempted your solutions. The key is to do it when you notice thinning. Prevention is the key not reversal.
I agree with you, Fountain, it's a slow battle and you have to rise to the challenge, take on board a daily anti-hairloss regimen and be consistent with its application. I've found that the slow decline in hair quality soon becomes a slow incline.
This is the problem - it's a daily *struggle*, and I think once you come out of it and accept your baldness at a deeper level, it's a very liberating experience and I don't ever want to go back to that everlasting battle for more follicles. I guess my baldness was a little worse than some of you guys though.
Maybe for some it's worth doing, but for a lot of people (probably the majority) the battle is almost impossible.
Edited by TheFountain, 22 October 2009 - 03:59 PM.
Posted 22 October 2009 - 08:43 PM
Edited by immortali457, 22 October 2009 - 08:43 PM.
Posted 23 October 2009 - 12:35 AM
Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:57 AM
I've been experimenting on myself for awhile now. I'm starting to see some results. Things I use are Nizoral, topical CE Ferulic with other goodies such as green tea. Tretinoin, copper peptides with DMSO. A DIY serum I make with a bunch of goodies (resveratrol, lutein, centella asiatica, apple stem cells, acai, olive leaf extract, cofeeberry extract).
Posted 23 October 2009 - 09:13 AM
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Posted 24 October 2009 - 12:42 AM
Posted 24 October 2009 - 01:00 PM
Here's the ingredient list:
Sodium Laureth Sulfate, water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Cocamide MEA, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Sodium Chloride, Dimethicone, Glycol Distearate, Glycine Soja, Panax Ginseng, Castanea Sativa, Arnica Montana, Hedera Helix, Geranium Maculatum, Inositol, Panthenol, Cystine, Cysteine, Methionine, Biotin, Citric Acid, Fragrance, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone and CI 42090 Blue 1.
Only one of the plant extracts I recognize is Panax Ginseng, which grew hair in vitro in one study.
Posted 28 October 2009 - 08:22 AM
Edited by imm1288, 28 October 2009 - 08:36 AM.
Posted 01 November 2009 - 04:17 AM
This is the problem - it's a daily *struggle*, and I think once you come out of it and accept your baldness at a deeper level, it's a very liberating experience and I don't ever want to go back to that everlasting battle for more follicles. I guess my baldness was a little worse than some of you guys though.
Maybe for some it's worth doing, but for a lot of people (probably the majority) the battle is almost impossible.
Posted 01 November 2009 - 08:42 AM
Posted 01 November 2009 - 11:58 AM
This is the problem - it's a daily *struggle*, and I think once you come out of it and accept your baldness at a deeper level, it's a very liberating experience and I don't ever want to go back to that everlasting battle for more follicles. I guess my baldness was a little worse than some of you guys though.
Maybe for some it's worth doing, but for a lot of people (probably the majority) the battle is almost impossible.
I thought I'd offer a female perspective on the issue just to say going bald shouldn't be the end of the world, especially if it's hereditary and resistant to treatment. I find bald/balding men sexy. Perhaps it's the excess testosterone or something but in my experience the sex is always fantastic. I check out bald guys more because of this. I can't be the only one! Don't take something that might kill your libido or have weird side effects just because your hair is thinning. Bald guys are sexy too!
Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:58 PM
Edited by Xanthus, 03 November 2009 - 04:13 PM.
Posted 03 November 2009 - 07:23 PM
One more tip: DON'T try to hide it. HONESTLY. Comb-over, whatever....DON'T, just don't. Take some advice from Jason Statham and Patrick Stewart; be confident and keep it as short as possible.
Edited by viveutvivas, 03 November 2009 - 07:24 PM.
Posted 03 November 2009 - 07:23 PM
Edited by viveutvivas, 03 November 2009 - 07:25 PM.
Posted 03 November 2009 - 10:40 PM
Rogaine and Propecia are the only 2 medicines that are FDA-approved for this. While it is fair to question whether FDA approval should be the standard for evaluating a drug, Propecia and Rogaine are FDA-approved because they have passed high-quality clinical studies and peer review. This is not the case for the other speculative medicines that have been mentioned here. Do your research and demand to see scientific and/or statistical proof. Don't just be swayed by the dominant opinion on an internet forum.
Also, you cannot "experiment" with hair loss medications. It takes at least 6-12 months to see the effectiveness of any medication due to the duration of the telogen phase of a hair follicle, and your entire head of hair takes at least *2-3 years* to move through a complete hair cycle (see http://en.wikipedia....e#Anagen_phase). So you would have to use a medicine exclusively for at least a year to see if it is effective. Meanwhile, you would be denying yourself other medicines that might be better. Since you only have a limited window to act before you lose your hair permanently, it is especially important that you stick with proven remedies. If you want to use other things in addition, fine.
Shampoo, too much washing, not enough washing, sebum, etc, are definitely *NOT* causes of baldness. If they were, they would have an effect on the side of your head too.
It is probably true that Rogaine does not address the long-term factors causing hair loss. However, it provides a one-time boost to your hair count, giving you more to work with using Propecia to prevent loss. Think of it like a hangglider:
Without Propecia and Rogaine, you jump 10 feet and travel forward losing 1 foot/second. You stay in the air 10 seconds.
With Propecia and Rogaine, you jump 20 feet (Rogaine) and travel forward losing 0.5 feet/second (Propecia). You stay in the air 40 seconds.
--> It is all about escape velocity, as the people on this forum can appreciate. You are waiting for a better drug to come along later.
As for me, anecdotally, I have been on Propecia 18 months, Rogaine 12 months, and my hair is much thicker than before. I get compliments on it all the time... it is probably my best feature. Before, I had thinning hair. I also use Nizoral because it might help, but mostly I use it to prevent itching from Rogaine.
I don't have any sexual side effects from the Propecia. I put on the Rogaine 1x daily right before I go to bed and I don't mind at all. The half-life is 24 hours so it's almost as good as doing it 2x daily. I use 3ml instead of the specified 1ml because I cover the entire top of my head through my hair.
I would check out these 2 blogs for more accurate information than the Hair Loss Talk blogs (I have been to HLT and share others' concerns). The following blogs are put together by smart and ethical hair transplant surgeons:
http://www.bernstein...transplantblog/
http://www.baldingblog.com/
Ok, now let's get back to more important things like cancer
Posted 03 November 2009 - 11:41 PM
Agree but why any at all? Clean-shaven is better. Combine with a beard. The lack of scalp hair will accentuate your chin and bead which is what you want.One more tip: DON'T try to hide it. HONESTLY. Comb-over, whatever....DON'T, just don't. Take some advice from Jason Statham and Patrick Stewart; be confident and keep it as short as possible.
Very true. Short is key.
Trying to grow it out to cover up just emphasizes it and actually makes one look older and a bit pathetic.
Posted 04 November 2009 - 05:28 AM
Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:07 AM
Posted 04 November 2009 - 03:39 PM
In the future, we can have any kind of hair we want.
Edited by viveutvivas, 04 November 2009 - 03:43 PM.
Posted 04 November 2009 - 04:29 PM
Ive experienced zero side effects and only 1-2% of people actually expereince any sexual side effect from propeica and these figures are from clinical trials not heresay from forum members who are experiencing placebo side effects!!!
Posted 05 December 2009 - 10:01 PM
What ingredients specifically inhibit DHT in it? I know the ginseng helps and the biotin is known to stengthen hair follicles but nisim is a product name, not an actual supplement. What supplement in the Nisim is directed related to DHT inhibition? You might want to clarify so that people who are actually losing their hair can make the right decisions. Thank goodness I am not one of them. Also I think people might confuse this stuff with topical finasteride shampoo. Otherwise known as Nizoral. I'm not sure but I think the latter has at least been proven effective. I mean I am sure the Nisim is somewhat effective because it contains products that have been proven in the lab but for some of these guys who are really losing their hair fast it might not be enough. But alas, I think diet is one of the most important aspects. Those with diets conducive to DHT production (lots of meat eating) should heed this.Nisim is highly effective DHT inhibitor
Edited by TheFountain, 05 December 2009 - 10:08 PM.
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